Of thugs, cowards and “Vinayam”

In the season of hot tempers, high emotions and midnight dramas, this is brief reminder to myself to watch my tongue (and my words)… This brief post was prompted by Sanjeev Sabhlok’s post yesterday, calling Baba Ramdev a coward, Anna Hazare an intellectually challenged and India Against Corruption a “one-trick pony”.  He is of course not alone in voicing such sentiments. Similar words and phrases have been used by others..

In an internal FTI post, AAryan reminded us to…

..maintain a political demeanour and acuteness when we comment or write on Political matters and subjects.
We need to make sure that our writings or comments should not hurt the emotions or feelings of the people affiliated to any political movements or parties.

I know (from personal experience) it is easy to get carried away and lapse into emotional outbursts..but I strongly  believe all of us who aspire to get into active politics need to develop a sense of discipline and a certain code of conduct that does not let our colleagues and supporters down…And I am relying on you – dear readers – to alert me when you feel I have stepped over the boundary. Comments and thoughts welcome, as always…Jai Hind, Jai Bharat!

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B Shantanu

Political Activist, Blogger, Advisor to start-ups, Seed investor. One time VC and ex-Diplomat. Failed mushroom farmer; ex Radio Jockey. Currently involved in Reclaiming India - One Step at a Time.

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27 Responses

  1. Kamal says:

    I am one with you on this.

    As leaders, we have to be aware of various ways of putting our thoughts very clearly in public domain…I mean our vocabulary needs to be specifically strong and thence avoid words which are associated with strong negative connotations in public domain. I believe criticism should be first-not for the sake of it, second-without bias (esp. if the criticised toes a different socio-political ideology or party), third- well founded with logic and finally-laced with appropriate words reflecting the context (so while a jaliawala bagh or Kargil can be extremely strongly criticised… I am sure we understand what I mean).

    Also the higher/greater/larger one is looked forward to as a leader/spearhead or one having a greater leadership potential (reflected in thoughts and pioneering deeds)…the responsibility of his/her being more consummate in choosing the right words/occasion/context to express views/opinion is higher because in most cases, he/she represents the opinion (& publicly believed) of the organisation/group he majorly belongs to.

    Regards.
    Kamal

  2. Dr P Mulay says:

    Ramdev might be a coward. But Hazare a coward? Hah talk about people deriving publicity on account of the actions of another person. Sabhlok sounds like a moron to me.

  3. Malavika says:

    Sanjeev Sabalok is wrong period.

    There is a major problem with supposed do gooders like him who do precious little, hanging out in Melbourne while this Baba actually is trying to mobilize people for a just cause. The Sabalok missed the issue and instead trying to dissect the individual not the cause.

    Trying to escape to fight another day is not cowardice, all successful generals do that. It is more important to win the war not battle. Giving in and compromising with a fascist raj is cowardice. And BR did not do that.

    Why is this guy blaming the BR rather than the SS (Sonia, Sing) fascist duo. Calling Sonia fascist is based on the fact that she ordered police action on unarmed men women and children. So, fascist is the right adjective for her.

  4. Thanks a lot sir! Language is most important thing. And if we are provoking people by writing, harsh words, we have to think are we able to handle the situation, if anything wrong happens.

  5. Nanda says:

    So many kings and leaders escaped the enemy attack in disguise, only to come back stronger. Does it mean they were cowards? If Sanjeev Sabhlok thinks so, wouldn’t that make him intellectually challenged instead? In fact, I am not surprised with Sanjeev Sabhlok’s statement. His dislike for anything associated to Hinduism is well known. Though he may agree with anti-corruption, like all secularists, he would not have liked the saffron color in that stage which is obviously pouring out through his words. To be honest, Sanjeev Sabhlok cannot mobilize an anti corruption crowd the way Ramdev has done, be how many years he spends in internet blogs. But ya we are in India, people like him get freedom of speech anyway. Its only the people wearing saffron who don’t get that even if its against corruption.

  6. Anupam says:

    Very well said Kamal.

    Anupam

  7. Shantanu, here’s a response. I trust this clarifies my position:
    http://sabhlokcity.com/2011/06/what-is-honourable-behaviour-what-are-the-kinds-of-leaders/

    I have much more to say, but I must rush to the gym. Maybe I’ll talk about the meaning of courage in my next blog post.

    S

  8. Kishan says:

    You are a far cry from your friend Sanjeev.May God bless you.

  9. G says:

    I find nothing admirable or worthy in these armchair statesmen remotely denouncing Ramdev on specious and questionable grounds, decontextualizing a few details of his head-on confrontation with the Congi fascists, such as trying to avoid capture, wearing women’s clothes etc., and criticizing the man for not living up to THEIR standards of leadership, standards which they themselves seem quite incapable of putting into practice in the world of bricks and mortar, muck and mire. I’m not saying Ramdev is perfect, but I’d take him any day over these clueless online Maharathis who would rather launch missiles at the good guys rather than uniting against the common foe who has today shown to what extent she is willing to go in brutalizing the native sons of India’s soil.

    Such senseless finger-pointing seems to be in line with most other egocentric claptrap that is standard fare from India’s self-preening neo-Angrez elites. To them Ramdev is a throwback and an anachronism and India itself a rudderless ship that needs to catch up with America by becoming some sort of caricature of the U.S.A. Intellectually fattened on a steady diet of American pseudo-psycholigists and pop-philosophers like Ayn Rand and Stephen Covey, these worthies live in their own manufactured reality in which they are the “leaders” and “netas” the blighted country has been waiting for. The web has given their ambitions a safe outlet to FEEL like the great souls that they are convinced they are within… if only the world would pay them the attention they deserve.

    I wish them all the best but will not stand and watch them casting rotten tomatoes from the stands at the real players in this difficult and dangerous arena.

  10. AAryan says:

    Sanjeev: The leaders which you described represent the Barbaric age. It seems we might want to evolve into a Level-6 leaders.
    Everybody has a freedom to express himself/herself in their own capacity…..Freedom is not cheap, it is expensive and I recommend to use it wisely.
    ||namO Bhaartam, namO Sanskritam||

  11. froginthewell says:

    A minor, and actually off-topic and inconsequential nitpick (nevertheless of potential interest to some) : the prathamA ekavacanam is विनयः and not विनयम् (the latter is dvitIyA ekavacanam). Also, the use of the word in “विद्या ददाति विनयम्”, I think, translates to “training” and not “humility” as is commonly rendered.

  12. Indian says:

    Even kid knows not to call out name when you dont agree! Name calling is bad and branding personality without knowing someone is very bad!

  13. Vinay says:

    There is no hope left…lets not fool ourselves, if government was really serious, they wouldnt have taken decades to pass the lokpal bill….i am for what Ramadev and Anna are doing and we need to see something concrete now instead of wait for another decade…

  14. N.P. Singh says:

    I am sorry to say so but Sanjeev’s comments in his various blog posts regarding IAC and Baba are not worthy of debate especially at this late hour in India.

    Despite some brilliant writings on economics and separation of state from religion, Sanjeev’s pitch for FTI and his looking down on anything which is not FTI has gone on too long and nowhere.

    Let there be some fresh air in cyberspace.

    I have already resigned from FTI recently and would urge the last person to leave it to put the lights out (or rather select and delete all the FTI documents) so that no unsuspecting person in search of salvation wastes his/ her time reading all that.

    I will pray for Peace for all my fellow countrymen wherever and whatever situation they find themselves in the World.

    N.P. Singh

  15. Dr P Mulay says:

    Dear NP Singh,

    I concur with your opinion. I read over the past few weeks about FTI. Every document on the website. Yesterday finally I applied to join the organization. Pity I wish I had not. Considering what Sablok says, I wonder if his comments epitomizes FTI.

    I care not for FTI.

    My take on the current corruption problem within India and elsewhere is primarily the primacy of US dollar as a global reserve currency. It happens to be a current store of value as well and has been for a while, which has lead people to yearn to earn more and more. Once physical gold reestablishes its primacy in being the premium store of value, all the bull shit we see around us right from corruption to mediocrity will all disappear. Its called freegold. check out FOFOA blogspot for more information.

  16. Kaffir says:

    G wrote:
    “Such senseless finger-pointing seems to be in line with most other egocentric claptrap that is standard fare from India’s self-preening neo-Angrez elites. To them Ramdev is a throwback and an anachronism and India itself a rudderless ship that needs to catch up with America by becoming some sort of caricature of the U.S.A. Intellectually fattened on a steady diet of American pseudo-psycholigists and pop-philosophers like Ayn Rand and Stephen Covey, these worthies live in their own manufactured reality in which they are the “leaders” and “netas” the blighted country has been waiting for.”
    __

    Well-said, G!! There’s another such post written by Mr. Atanu Dey criticizing Baba Ramdev’s efforts as wrong, while intellectualizing about the right way to bring about a change, presumably that right way will be shown to us by him and only him. Perhaps it is a case of envy, since people like Hazare and Baba Ramdev have commanded the respect and actions of thousands of people, whereas Sabhlok & Dey are nowhere near that leadership status. For all their intellectual heft, perhaps they don’t realize something very simple and basic – or if they do, they are unable to practice it – that leadership comes from reaching people’s hearts, not the minds.

    Actually, looking at such proliferation of stupid views where (over)educated people like Sabhlok and Dey can’t even let go of their humongous and over-inflated egos for one moment to show solidarity with someone’s efforts, gives me a good idea as to how Hindus were conquered in the past and ruled by a handful of people. *sigh*

  17. B Shantanu says:

    @NP Singh, Dr Mulay: Hurried comment..
    Sanjeev does not speak for FTI (as he himself would be the first to admit)…There is no single voice representing FTI and the group certainly does not have any “official” position on any of these movements…

    Happy to discuss and debate FTI and its position on another (more appropriate) thread..perhaps here: https://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/06/09/politics-fti/

    Or I might just open a new thread on this…Thanks

  18. Malavika says:

    @ G, KAffir, Singh, and others

    it is heartening to see so many sensible posts. There is hope.

    Not surprisingly, the shameless media black sheep are back with vengeance blaming Baba. Isn’t it surprising that these worthies have nothing to say about midnight Gestapo tactics and Fascist raj.

    Congress Attack dogs are calling BR “Baba Black Money now wants to raise ‘army’ of 11,000” in IE. As if on cue another blogger calls BR “Baba Baba Black Sheep” and censors my post when I asked him why is he psychoanalyzing Baba instead of reporting on issues like Black money and Gestapo tactics.

  19. Moderator says:

    Request to all Readers/Commentators: Pl keep to the point. Pl post the comment on the appropriate thread ONLY (otherwise there is a high chance it may get deleted).

    This is *not* the right thread to discuss corruption etc.. Thanks.

  20. AAryan says:

    @NP Singh, Dr Mulay:In addition to the Shantanu’s comment, no member epitomizes FTI. FTI cherishes its philosophy of freedom and classical liberty. It is after the larger goal. One needs immense patience and a very different thought process to visualise its big picture. Rest can be discussed in a different thread.

    Regarding Sanjeev: He is the person, who possesses the courage to deliver his thoughts and expressions without sugar coating it. If it sounds silly, so be it and he stands by it. This in fact helps everybody in FTI to sharpen their thoughts and focus.

    Regarding Political demeanour: I believe that, any thought or idea which is expressed with a force cannot be an ultimate truth. It is considered as violence.

    ||namo Bhaartam, namO Sanskritam||

  21. K. Harapriya says:

    “He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day.”

    Baba was absolutely right to save his life. This way he can protest again. I always find myself suspicious of those who live outside India and pontificate about what should be done here. It takes a great deal of moral courage to take on a government which is capable of anything and has no value for human life, and definitely none for a Hindu guru.

  22. AAryan says:

    @K.Harapriya:“He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day.” Well said. This might be fitting to Sanjeev. He started a party to change Indian governance, didn’t worked well. Now he is trying to come back big.

    ||namO Bhaartam, namO Sanskritam||

  23. AAryan says:

    “He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day.”
    This might be applicable to the people like all of us who tried before, didn’t succeed and want to come back to fight again, but this time to win.

    ||namO Bhaartam, namO Sanskritam||

  24. Awish says:

    TRUTH is very HARD or EASY to reach – it depends on how one looks at it. I think that on the path of setting a political party, the FTI main founder “Sanjeev” is killing the cause of the FTI by his rash,harsh and exposed behaviour.
    I am NOT a supporter of Ramdev and I wish for FTI to grow. but the manner in which he is reacting on the different forums is a pinning down the credibility of himself and FTI(because he is one of the main idea behind it).
    We all are humans and upon any action(e.g Ramdev escape), there has been many different thoughts, opinions conflict in many thinking minds. But crubing the wrong thoughts within the mind and express the TRUTH with demeanour is one of the essential factor for any kind of leader.
    He seems to be searching for the leaders and thinking that he is virtually training people for the leadership. But the fact of the matter is he is hurting his own cause. Any person can at least listen to you if you behave correctly. I have noticed that his lovers are turning into haters..for a simple reason – his virtual behaviour..!!!

    I know it is hard to change your own behaviour than others, I hope he gets his senses back and start behaving himself. It would be good for this GOOD man and FTI and our country.

    – A well wisher

  25. JC Moola says:

    Sanjeev Sabhlok’s knowledge is severely limited and restricted by his biblical rantings. People like Sabhlok, Vir Sanghvi, Burka Dutt etc are at best ignored. They are kin of parasites: bureaucracy and cheap politicians

  26. B Shantanu says:

    OK, guys..I am calling time-out on this. The comments are veering dangerously towards a personal attack – which kind of turns the whole purpose of the post upside down…

    Thanks for joining the discussion…

  27. Sandeep says:

    Speaking of thugs – See this youtube Video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrYTy2ZOb3k – Title reads as “Digvijay Singh Kicked Assailant Sunil Kumar