The Sarasvati-Sindhu Civilisation – More Distortions, More Un-Truths

This post is essentially a collection of excerpts from three recent articles/reports on the Saraswati-Sindhu civilisation beginning with a list of five questions that were asked of Prof. Michael Witzel.

Many of you must be aware of the recent controversy around Prof Michael Witzel’s visit to India. I received this email/ list of questions from a google group that I am subscribed to. It is worth reproducing in full (I have taken out email addresses to protect privacy). The questions explore the issue of scholarship with particular reference to Ancient Indian History, the biases evident in certain analyses and the apparent refusal of certain “experts” to entertain alternative viewpoints. Pl. read on.

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From: *Thamizh Chelvan* Date: Wed, Jul 8, 2009

Subject: A few questions for you

To: witzel AT harvard; Cc: tamizh.hindu AT email

Dear Mr.Witzel

I have met you this afternoon at the Madras University, after your presentation and a very short question session, and before the group photograph session. I introduced myself as a freelance writer and as you were proceeding for lunch ‘hurriedly’, I couldn’t spend even a couple of minutes with you.

Anyway, I would like to bring to your notice that the ‘Editorial Team’ of a Tamil website by name www.tamilhindu.com has posed some questions to you. As a contributor to that website, I wanted to handover a sheet of paper with those questions to you personally, so that you could send your answers before leaving Chennai. But unfortunately situation was not conducive enough for you to spend a few more minutes with the little audience present there.

Even now it is not too late. We would appreciate and be thankful, if you could send your candid answers for those questions before leaving India. The questions are given below. I also have a question from my side. If I am not inquisitive, May I know why you are here in India, particularly Chennai? How long you will be touring India?

Thanks and Warm Regards

Thamizhchelvan

Chennai.

*Question 1:* You will agree that no culture or civilization is perfect, and we Indians are quite aware of the imperfections of our society. At the same time, most of us are proud of belonging to this land. Many Western thinkers and Indologists have also expressed great admiration for Indian culture and for India’s intellectual heritage in particular. You must have seen testimonies by people like Emerson, Thoreau, Durant, Toynbee, Renou, Filliozat or Kramrish. How is it that, by contrast, you do not seem to find anything good to say about Indian culture, and have often hinted, especially on Internet lists, that it is something barbaric or primitive? Would you not like to spend some time travelling through India, since you are now among us, so as to judge this culture firsthand and decide?

*Question 2*: In the recent noisy controversy over history textbooks prepared by the California State Board of Education, and in Internet debates, it is often made out that those opposing the teaching of the theory of an Aryan invasion of, or migration into, India are a bunch of dangerous “Hindutva” fanatics. This completely eclipses the fact that the strongest opponents of this theory have been Western scholars: U.S. archaeologists George Dales, Jim Shaffer, U.S. anthropologist K.A.R. Kennedy, British archaeologist Colin Renfrew, French archaeologists Jean-Paul Demoule, Jean-François Jarrige, Henri-Paul Francfort, Estonian biologist Toomas Kivisild, and many more. Why is this never openly acknowledged and debated in a fair and civilized manner?

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*Question 3:* Why is, instead, the Aryan invasion or migration theory pushed down the throats of Indian schoolchildren (and now U.S. ones!), even as everyone knows fully well that this colonial theory was used to divide Indian society, leaving wounds that have remained unhealed to this day? What do learned scholars like yourself gain by perpetuating the colonial game of
division and demonizing those who oppose this theory as “Hindutva” propagandists?

*Question 4:* In a 1995 paper, you wrote: “The first appearance of [the invading Aryans’] thundering chariots must have stricken the local population with a terror similar to that experienced by the Aztecs and Incas upon the arrival of the iron-clad, horse-riding Spaniards.” [*1] That is exactly the colonial paradigm of the invasion theory in all its military
splendour. Yet in 2001, you wrote, “Why, then, should all immigration, or even mere transhumance trickling in, be excluded in the single case of the Indo-Aryans … ? Just one ‘Afghan’ Indo-Aryan tribe that did not return to the highlands but stayed in their Panjab winter quarters in spring was needed to set off a wave of acculturation in the plains, by transmitting its
’status kit’ … to its neighbors.” [*2] It is the complete absence of archaeological, anthropological and genetic evidence for the “hard” version of the Aryan invasion which forced you to dilute it to a mere “trickling in”? And is it conceivable that a single overstaying Afghan tribe could have set off a process of radical linguistic and cultural change over the whole of North India?

[*1] – Michael Witzel, “Early Indian history: Linguistic and textual parametres,” in The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia: Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity, ed. George Erdosy (Berlin & New York: Walter de Gruyter, 1995), p. 114.

[*2] – Michael Witzel, “Autochthonous Aryans ? The Evidence from Old Indian and Iranian Texts”, Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies, Vol. 7 (2001), issue 3 (May 25).

*Question 5:* In a 1995 paper,[*3] in an attempt to find evidence for the Aryan migration theory in Sanskrit literature, you quoted an excerpt of the Baudhâyana Shrauta Sûtra in your own translation. This translation was proved wrong (by Koenraad Elst in 1999, more recently by Prof. B.B. Lal), and the mistranslation was no accident, since it figured in an earlier paper of yours.[*4] We all know, of course, that the best scholars are not immune from error, and this is true of all disciplines. Yet you did not have the grace to acknowledge your error and retract the mistranslation. Instead, we have since seen historians (for instance Romila Thapar,[*5] R.S. Sharma [*6]) quote this mistranslation in support of the Aryan migration theory.
Would you kindly issue a statement to stop such misuse of your mistranslation?

[*3] – Michael Witzel, “Rgvedic history: poets, chieftains and polities,” in The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia: Language, Material Culture and Ethnicity, ed. George Erdosy (Berlin & New York: Walter de Gruyter, 1995), pp. 320-321.

[*4] – Michael Witzel, “Tracing the Vedic Dialects”. In Dialectes dans les littératures indo-aryennes, Publications de l’Institut de civilisation indienne, Série in-8, Fascicule 55, ed. by C. Caillat (Diffusion de Boccard:Paris 1989).

[*5] – Romila Thapar’s lecture titled “The Aryan Question Revisited”, available online at http://members.tripod.com/ascjnu/aryan.html

[*6] – R.S. Sharma, Advent of the Aryans in India (Manohar: New Delhi, 1999), pp. 87-89.

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Next, a brief excerpts from a recent seminar at New Delhi where Prof Witzel did not quite redeem his reputation (from Michael Witzel: rattled rat at IIC by Prof Bhagwan Singh).

…The occasion was a lecture on the Rgveda by Prof. Michael Witzel, at the India International Centre, on 10 July 2009. Presided over by Dr. Kapila Vatsyayan, it was attended by scholars of different hues and expectations. No one suspected that Witzel with his claim to be a ranking Vedic scholar knew so little that he could not answer a single query. Indeed, he appeared blank as far as the Rgveda was concerned. He rose nervously to speak on the Veda, but actually spoke on the Aryan migration from Afghanistan to Punjab!

…Many archaeologists and professors of history attended the lecture, including your writer, Vedic scholar Bhagwan Singh. When the floor was thrown open for discussions, Bhagwan Singh introduced himself as the author of The Vedic Harappans, and said that his data contradicted each and every statement made by Witzel; he sought permission to exchange notes on a few issues. With the Chair’s permission, Singh said:

– You have reordered the Rgvedic strata, rating IV and VI to be the oldest and the rest belonging to intermediate and late stages. I have no objection to your sequence, but find your chronology miserably on the lower side. There is a reference to white pottery in one verse in Book IV (4.27.5). White pottery is a distinctive feature of Hakra Ware dated to 3000 BC. This goes against your dating of 1500-1250 BC for the Rgveda.

Witzel was dumbstruck. He murmured something inaudible, avoiding the audience, looking sideways. He tried to explain that the sequence arranged by him was based on the number of verses in a book, the smallest being the oldest. It caused Kapila ji and others to smile openly. I could not make out the reason and reminded him that Book IV is shorter than Book VI; but the shortest book is Book II! So here again, he was caught on the wrong foot.

He hesitantly managed, “There is no evidence of chariot or horse in India earlier than the mid-second millennium.”

– You say that the wheel and chariot were invented by Aryans when they were in Central Asia, but in the Book IV itself, Bhr.gus are given the credit for manufacturing wheels (4.16.20). Chariot and wheel was therefore not Aryan, but a Dravidian invention.

Witzel pretended that the inventors might have been Aryans and manufacturers Dravidians! He now forgot the antiquity of Book IV, which according to his suggestion, could have been written in Central Asia, older even than Book VI, composed entirely in Northern Afghanistan; Dravidian speakers must have been there as well.

And finally, excerpts From Indus to India by Dilip K Chakrabarti which makes the case that the Saraswati Sindhu script does have “statistical regularities which are in line with other natural languages”.

…The basic problem, however, lies elsewhere. There is a conscious attempt in certain quarters to disassociate this civilisation from the later mainstream tradition of Indian/ Vedic culture.

…The current attempts to disassociate the Indus civilisation from the mainstream Indian tradition has assumed many forms. The term ‘Indus valley civilisation’, which is being increasingly common, suggests that this civilisation was primarily a product of the Indus valley alone, which is far from being the case. The civilisation is also bandied about as the product of what is dubiously dubbed as the ‘middle Asian interaction sphere’ and not as a product of a vast region of the sub-continent. Its chronology has been needlessly shortened, suppressing a long and continuous developmental span of about 2500 years in the modern Indian section of its distribution area. The civilisation is also visualised at the end of a straight arrow-line of wheat-barley-based development beginning in Baluchistan at c.7000 BC, completely ignoring the contribution which came from the east — from the early farming and metallurgical developments in the Aravallis or from the rice-cultivating tradition that began in the Ganga plain and its Vindhyan periphery in the seventh millennium BC.

The famous Sramana image from Mohenjodaro, which shows the bust of a shawl-wearing man with a meditative expression, is now advocated as belonging to an artistic tradition of north Afghanistan and beyond. Notorious Hindu-baiters are aghast at the thought that anything related to Hinduism could occur in that civilisation, whereas the first excavators’ frame of reference for the study of the religion of this civilisation was Hinduism. That Siva was worshipped in this civilisation is proved not merely by the phallus-shaped stone objects found at Mohenjodaro and Dholavira but also by the find of an indisputedly Sivalinga set in a Yonipatta at Kalibangan. If anybody is interested, Bhang and Dhatura , both favourites with a class of Siva-worshippers, occur in the Indus civilisation.

…The opinions which we have noted above and which try to disassociate the Indus civilisation from the mainstream Indian tradition are endemic in modern First World archaeological literature on the subject and its followers in India. First World Archaeology, as my long familiarity with it tells me, suffers from a sense of inordinate superiority in relation to the archaeologists of the Third World. By allowing it to enjoy a free run in the country as the present archaeological policy of the government does and by allowing it to set up ‘Indus Centres’ in Vadodara or Pune, grievous damage is being caused to national archaeological scholarship in India.

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B Shantanu

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19 Responses

  1. Dirt Digger says:

    On a kind of related note, did you read the article on the Hindu- in Kerala they found scripts with the Indus valley symbols. Apparently the Indus valley civilization stretched farther than expected.

  2. Mannaran says:

    Reg Q1: Nobody can complain about the maturity of Sanskrit and associated civilization. But the main question is whether it originated inside today’s Indian political boundary or is it associated with IVC. There is nothing wrong even if originated in North West of India and came inside(in anyway) later.

    Reg Q3: India won’t divide even if Ariyan’s are from moon. This is unrelated. A theory is a theory and a fact is fact. All we can do is accept it and live with it. Do you really think that we are so immature and will not be able to handle the outcomes of real scientific experiments?

    From this article I could see your following points
    1. Aryans are native as Dravidians
    2. There are no invasions and trickle downs
    3. IVC is Vedic
    4. IVC is complex, matured and sophisticated

    I don’t know about other points but archeological evidences creates some problem point no 3. Check out the following

    1. IVC scripts deep inside TN
    http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/01/stories/2006050101992000.htm

    2. Check out the research from Rao et al, statistical analysis of $n$-grams. The conditional entropy matches more closely with Old Tamil. There are peer – refutations too.
    http://www.pnas.org/content/106/33/13685.full

    Your website has good content, but unfortunately not supported by references to verified scientific results and peer reviewed journals. Unless it is not provided, all this cannot be considered anything more than a wishful thinking 🙁

    Thanks,
    Mannaran

  3. K. Harapriya says:

    From the above article, this is an important point.

    ‘ “The genetics proves that castes grew directly out of tribe-like organizations during the formation of the Indian society,” the study said. Thangarajan noted that it was impossible to distinguish between castes and tribes since their genetics proved they were not systematically different’

    It seems what those Hindutvadis claim often was true–caste was as an important vocational marker as well as one of birth. Caste seems to have more to do with organizing society in terms of employment and preserving resources and knowledge than mere social hierarchy.

  4. Mannaran says:

    @Harapriya.

    If caste is just vocational marker, it should not be decided based on birth, but by the person’s wish. Would you be happy to do the job which are considered low(which itself is a wrong concept)?. Would you accept to do what your parents do?

    And TOI is not an authority in the subject, neither do I, but please refer from journals which are peer reviewed and academically accepted.

  5. Jitendra Desai says:

    Time for us to ” ignore” such scholars and improve further our own research, especially in ancient archeology.Our Vedas, Puranas are being studied only for religious purpose.Time, we studied them in historical perspective and present detailed view of our ancient history to young Hindus in India and abroad.Views of our Leftist friends can be ignored even more ! as no one take them seriously anymore.

  6. here is an excellent video on our history of concealing history and truth …. welcome to brushing under the carpet , archeology style!

    http://vids.rationalveracity.com/v/979,mysterious-origins-of-man-2b-bonus-material:-cremo-&-thompson-%5Bnbc-1996%5D.html

  7. Richard L Thompson , shown in that video , was a PHD AND mathematician from Cornell … He passed away this year ..

  8. Rajesh says:

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    History and archeology shrouded and distorted by all kinds of interests is getting supplanted by hard science of genetics. satyameva jayate?

    If you haven’t done so, get a copy of the Nature study by Harvard Medical and CCMB hyderabad – called reconstructing indian population history. Don’t rely on journalistic accounts of the article.

    One finding – Most present Indians seem to have a common genetic ancestry – varying from 40% Ancestral North Indian, 60% Ancestral South Indian to 77% Ancestral North Indian, 23% Ancestral South Indian.

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  9. B Shantanu says:

    Excerpts from Saraswati flows on in ASI records by Rajesh Singh:

    While it is only now that the Union Government has admitted to the existence of the Vedic river Saraswati after being in a denial mode for five years, the Archaeological Survey of India’s National Museum in New Delhi has all along displayed for visitors maps and written text highlighting not only the river’s existence but also its crucial role in sustaining what we know as the Indus Valley Civilisation.

    Not only does the Museum endorse the river’s existence before it dried up, it also refers to the Indus Valley Civilisation as Indus-Saraswati Civilisation.

    …This is what a text put up in the Harappan Gallery of the Museum says: “Slowly and gradually these people evolved a civilisation called variously as the ‘Harappan civilisation’, the ‘Indus civilisation’, the ‘Indus Valley civilisation’ and the ‘Indus-Saraswati civilisation.” After all, experts have pointed out that nearly 2,000 of the 3,000 excavated sites are located outside the Indus belt and along the Saraswati course.

    The text further elaborates the important role of the river: “It is now clear that the Harappan civilisation was the gift of two rivers — the Indus and the Saraswati — and not the Indus alone.” It is clear, yes, but not to the Government that only now has rather reluctantly accepted the river’s existence.

    …The Museum thus emphasises the following: One, there was a river Saraswati; two, it existed in the Vedic period; and three, since the Indus Valley civilisation was nurtured by the Saraswati as well, the civilisation must be referred to as Indus-Saraswati civilisation.

    But even in the face of these assertions, backed by years of research and mounting new evidence, the official response has been status quoist, preferring not to tamper with old beliefs handed over to us by early Western academics and eagerly adopted by home-grown experts. ASI director BB Lal writes in the preface of his acclaimed book The Saraswati flows on, about the “persistent assertion by Western linguists and historians and their more vociferous, Indian counterparts that the Rig Vedic Saraswati was the Helmand of Afghanistan.”

    Calling the assumption “completely baseless”, he pointed out that the Rig Veda (10.75.5) clearly stated the river Saraswati lay between the Yamuna and the Sutlej – none of which existed in Afghanistan! Since the Rig Veda incidentally mentions the Saraswati as many as sixty times, and on many occasions in detail, it should be clear to all but the supremely blinkered that the river did indeed exist in the Vedic period.

    The establishment of this fact then leads us to a bone of contention: Did the civilisation end due to an Aryan invasion or the drying up of the river?

    NS Rajaram in his excellent book Saraswati River and the Vedic Civilisation notes that the discovery of the river ‘dealt a severe blow” to the theory that Aryans invaded India which then had the Harappan Civilisation. The theory supposes that the Harappans were non-Vedic since the Vedic age began with the coming of Aryans.

    …Rajaram says in his book that the Harappan civilisation “was none other than the great river (Saraswati) described in the Rig Veda. This means that the Harappans were Vedic.”

    So, if the Harappans were Vedic and thus ‘Aryan’, who invaded the civilisation and caused its demise? Experts have pointed out that there is no evidence through the excavation in the Indus-Saraswati region that an invasion had ever happened, much less from Aryans who “came from outside”. Rajaram, like many others, believe that the Saraswati’s drying up was the principal cause for the civilisation’s decline. This fits in well with the National Museum’s contention that the Saraswati was a major lifeline of the Indus-Saraswati civilisation.

    Rajaram adds his voice to the theory. He notes in the book, “It is beginning to be recognised that what ended the Vedic Age (the Harappan era) was not any invasion but the drying up of the Saraswati – an event that was first placed at 1900 BC but which may have been pushed back beyond 2000BC for the date of ‘complete’ drying up of the Saraswati river.”

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    Also read: Government finally admits: Research says Saraswati river existed

  10. B Shantanu says:

    Somewhat related, placing here for the record.
    Indus civilisation site in India under threat of vanishing
    Washington, May 4, 2012, (PTI)
    Rakhigari, one of the largest and oldest Indus Valley sites in the world located in Haryana along with Taxila in Pakistan are under threat of vanishing in a tide of rapid economic growth, the World Heritage Fund has warned.

    Rakhigari, discovered by Indian archaeologists in 1963 is among the ten sites identified by the Fund as the most in danger of “irreparable loss and destruction,” in its new report ‘Asia’s Heritage in peril’ released last night in California.

    The endangered Rakhigari site lies just 150 kms away from the Indian capital in a village in Hisar district of Haryana.

    Archaeological Survey of India is carrying out a detailed excavation of the site, revealing the size of a lost city and recovering numerous artifacts, some over 5,000 years old.
    At Rakhigari, the diggers have found evidence of paved roads, drainage system, large rainwater collection, storage system, terracotta brick, statue production and skilled metal working in both bronze and precious metals.

    source

  11. B Shantanu says:

    Somewhat related, from Indus Valley 2,000 years older than thought:
    The beginning of India’s history has been pushed back by more than 2,000 years, making it older than that of Egypt and Babylon.
    Latest research has put the date of the origin of the Indus Valley Civilisation at 6,000 years before Christ, which contests the current theory that the settlements around the Indus began around 3750 BC.

    The finding was announced at the “International Conference on Harappan Archaeology”, recently organised by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) in Chandigarh.

    Based on their research, BR Mani, ASI joint director general, and KN Dikshit, former ASI joint director general, said in a presentation: “The preliminary results of the data from early sites of the Indo-Pak subcontinent suggest that the Indian civilisation emerged in the 8th millennium BC in the Ghaggar-Hakra and Baluchistan area.”
    “On the basis of radio-metric dates from Bhirrana (Haryana), the cultural remains of the pre-early Harappan horizon go back to 7380 BC to 6201 BC.”

  12. B Shantanu says:

    Placing this here for the record.
    From Archaeologists confirm Indian civilization is 2000 years older than previously believed by Jason Overdorf, November 28, 2012

    In recent times, archaeologists divided the Indus Civilization into the pre-Harappan, mature Harappan and late Harappan periods. The pre-Harappan period was characterized by a primitive, Stone Age culture, while the late Harappan period featured sophisticated brick cities built on a grid system, with granaries, toilets and an as-yet undeciphered written language.

    But the six samples discovered at Bhirrana include relatively advanced pottery, known as “hakra ware,” that suggests the ancient Harappan civilization began much earlier than previously believed — and that its epicenter lies in the Indian states of Harayana and Rajasthan, rather than across the border.

    As Dikshit and his colleague, BR Mani, current joint director general of the ASI, write in a recent note on their findings:

    “The earliest levels at Bhirrana and Kunal yielded ceramics and antiquities … suggesting a continuity in culture, right from the middle of the eighth millennium BCE onwards … till about 1800 BCE.”

    That suggests the Harappan civilization is nearly as old as sites from West Asia such as Jericho, where evidence of a neolithic city has been found to date from as early as 9000 BC. But it also means that Harappa, with new proof of hakra ware dating to 7500 BC, may have been more technologically advanced — bolstering India’s claim to the title of the cradle of civilization

  13. B Shantanu says:

    From A Pakistani in search of a homeland by Koenraad Elst, some excerpts:

    A Pakistani in search of a homeland
    In Eurasia Review on 25 December 2012, Khan A. Sufyan published a paper titled: “Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis”. (Appended). In it, he argues that Pakistan is not just the state for South-Asian Muslims created by Mohammed Ali Jinnah in 1947, but was in fact delineated already by the Harappan civilization. After all, its extent coincided roughly with that of modern Pakistan, and not for nothing it is called the “Indus civilization”, after Pakistan’s main river. He is the typical Pakistani Hindu-hater who pretends that Pakistan was necessary for fear of “Hindu domination”, as if Hindus were not extremely benevolent towards their minorities. His aim is to give body to the official Pakistani propaganda of “five thousand years of Pakistan”. Let us evaluate the case he makes.
    First of all, the extent of the Harappan civilization. An important number of cities lie outside Pakistan, from the Afghan colony of Shortugai to a large number is Gujarat, including the port of Lothal, and another large number in India, including the metropolis of Rakhigarhi. Many of these cities are near the bed of the Saraswati in Haryana, which is why Indian archeologists are entitled to speak of “Sindhu-Saraswati civilization”. The emphasis on the Indus is the result of the first discoveries, viz. of Mohenjo Daro on and Harappa near the Indus, but is now dated. Note that this civilization was much larger than the contemporary Mesopotamian civilization. If we don’t look too closely on the map, with a Martian’s glance, we might say that its borders very roughly coincide with those of Pakistan.
    Sufyan’s thesis is that Pakistan “was an outcome of thousands of years of historical, geographical and genetic distinction between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those occupying the Gangetic plains”. Here we see a logical implication of the doctrine behind the Partition, stemming from the Indian Muslims’ immediate interests assuming a continuation of the Westminster democracy in which numbers are important: they could achieve safety and power only in a state where they would form the majority. That state would then, like other states, have to endow itself with a proper history, justifying the state’s continued existence.
    This conflicts with the orthodox Islamic calculation, upheld at the time of Partition by Maulana Azad, that (1) democracy is un-Islamic so that, like for the medieval Muslim invaders, power can just as well be obtained by a strong-headed minority, and that (2) in the longer run, the Muslims would obtain the majority in united India anyway, by means of conversions and a higher demographic growth. From the Islamic viewpoint, the history of Pakistan is not important because Pakistan is not important: it can only be a temporary tactic (and not even the best) on the way to the ultimate goal, viz. the Islamization of India. But in a confrontation with the infidels, anything un-Islamic becomes Islamic by being useful in the confrontation. Thus, suicide is strictly un-Islamic, but before silly secularist or Western commentators say that therefore suicide-bombing must be un-Islamic, let us realize that before an Islamic court, any would-be (or failed) suicide-bomber can successfully plead that in this case, his suicide was the way to inflict terror on the infidels, hence Islamically correct. Pakistan, therefore, is the fruit of a hybrid ideology, mainly consisting of Islam but adding un-Islamic elements from modern majority rule and nationalism because these were deemed necessary for the Indian Muslims in the then-prevailing circumstances. In particular, the attempt to streamline a country’s history in the service of the present state’s continued existence is not Islamic but nationalist; however, it is Islamic in so far as the state of Pakistan is a useful instrument in the Islamization of the whole of South Asia.
    As a real Pakistani patriot, Sufyan lists Harappan cities found in the four provinces of his country. Nothing against that, but we repeat that he could also have listed cities from Afghanistan, Gujarat, East Panjab and Haryana. Here is his main argument: “The South Asian subcontinent is principally divided into two major geographical regions; the Indus Valley and its westerly inclined tributaries, and the Ganges Valley with its easterly inclined tributaries. In his book, The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan, Aitzaz Ahsan identifies the geographical divide between these two regions as the Gurdaspur-Kathiawar salient, a watershed which is southwesterly inclined down to the Arabian Sea. This watershed also depicted the dividing line between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those of Gangetic plains and also corresponds almost exactly with the current day Pakistan-India border. Historically, only the Mauryas, Muslims and the British amalgamated these two regions as a unified state. For most of the remaining history, when one empire did not rule both the regions as a unified state, the Indus Valley Civilizational domain was always governed as one separate political entity.”
    As a historical claim, his thesis is largely untrue. For instance, the Gupta and Sikh empires clearly saddled this border, and one looks in vain for a historical kingdom coinciding with the Indus territory or with modern-day Pakistan. But the geological claim is of better quality. East Panjab and Kashmir constitute Indian parts of the Indus region (or is this a veiled Pakistani claim to these regions?), but further downstream, the border does roughly coincide with the watershed defining the Indus area. But is this watershed of political or civilizational relevance? The Aegean Sea separated Greece from Ionia, the Greek area of coastal Anatolia, yet the two areas were one in language and culture. Jinnah also didn’t base his Pakistan on this watershed: he would gladly have included the Nizam’s Hyderabad and did include East Bengal, part of the supposedly un-Pakistani Ganga plain.
    Sufyan has the usual swearwords for the Indian archeologists, whom he accuses off-hand of “distorting” and “manipulating” their findings, and even of “forging” a straight line between Harappan and later Hindu civilization. He bases himself predictably on the Aryan invasion chronology, which puts the Vedic age after the Harappan age: “However, the later identification of emergence of Vedic Hindu cultural traditions between 1500 – 600 BC, discounted such linkages.” In reality, the low Western chronology of the Vedas is anything but proven.
    He is, however, right to identify the southern Pakistani province of Sindh with the Sumerian-attested name Meluhha. That this name is the origin of the word Mleccha indicates that its people were not embraced or held in high esteem in Vedic circles. And here we run into a phenomenon that Sufyan doesn’t realize yet, but that would certainly serve him well: the areas now constituting Pakistan and Afghanistan were considered inauspicious by the Vedic people. In his book The Rigveda and the Avesta (Delhi 2009), Shrikant Talageri describes how the Northwest was held in suspicion and taken to be the home of people who brought misfortune. In the Ramayana, exile and misery are visited upon Rama and Sita by the hand of Rama’s father’s second wife Kaikeyi, who hailed from the Northwest. In the Mahabharata, the war between the Pandava and Kaurava branches of the Bharata lineage is triggered by Pandu’s death, caused by his being enamoured of Madri, again a wife of Northwestern provenance. Talageri testifies how his own Brahmin family fasted by refraining from consuming Gangetic rice, while Panjab-grown grain was not deemed real food and hence was permitted. This information would marvelously fit in with Sufyan’s project.
    So, let us assume that the Vedic people did indeed frown upon the areas now constituting Pakistan. Unfortunately, the quarrel between the Vedic people and the Mlecchas or Dasas from the Northwest has nothing to do with the present state of Pakistan. Both parties were perhaps ethnically or culturally a bit different, but both were Pagans, unwelcome in today’s Pakistan. It is against the Pagans of Sindh (formerly Meluhha) that Mohammed bin Qasim, revered as the ultimate founder of Pakistan, waged the first successful Jihad on South-Asian soil. Come 1947, it was the West-Panjabi Hindus and Sikhs, straight descendants of the Harappans, who were driven out of West Panjab to make way for the new state of Pakistan. This Islamic state usurps the territory of the Harappans but otherwise wants to have nothing to do with them.
    The contrast between Harappa and Pakistan, or the fundamental Hinduness of the Harappans, is perhaps best illustrated with the three most famous artifacts from the Harappan civilization. The “priest-king” was probably a practitioner of the stellar cult suggested on many Harappan seal. The Quran emphatically forbids the Pagan worship of sun, moon and stars. At any rate, he was not a Muslim but a propagator of Paganism, the same kind against whom Mohammed made war. So, according to Islam, the state religion of Pakistan, the priest-king has been burning in hell for four thousand years. As for the “dancing-girl”, she exudes self-confidence and is stark naked. In today’s Pakistan, there would be no room for her. In fact, she would be stoned to death. Finally, the “Pashupati seal” may or may not depict Shiva as Lord of the Animals, but the character depicted would certainly feel more at home in a Hindu temple than in a mosque. A figure in a yoga posture clearly belongs in India more than in Pakistan. There is nothing Islamic and therefore nothing Pakistani about these three faces of the Indus civilization.
    Most Pakistanis are biological descendants of the Harappans, as are many Indians. So what? Is Khan Sufyan sneakingly revalorizing the un-Islamic notion of ancestry? The Pagan Arabs of Mohammed’s time were his own relatives, yet he chose to fight them. He located his own mother in hell because she was a Pagan. Similarly, the state religion of Pakistan situates the Harappans in hell, eventhough they are the ancestors of today’s Pakistanis. So, the state of Pakistan is estranged from its Harappan heritage, while the Hindus have a far more profound claim on the Sindhu-Saraswati civilization. However, every Pakistani can do something about this. Yes, he can turn Pakistan into the successor-state of Harappa. To do this, he must only do one thing: renounce Islam and reconvert to Harappan Paganism. Paki, come home!
    Koenraad Elst July 2, 2013
    (1) The Sanskrit term ‘jangala’ (cognate with modern English ‘jungle’) means a deserted or a long abandoned land. Jangala also designates arid lands, meaning the total opposite of what ‘jungle’ means in English today. Jangala is opposed to anupa or paludal lands, which represent the hydrophilic vegetation. This contrast between jangala and anupa draws a strong polarity in cosmology, which is used in that sense in ayurveda and in the Indic taxonomy of plants and animals (see Francis Zimmermann–The Jungle and the Aroma of Meats: An Ecological Theme in Hindu Medicine, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1987).

    (2) True, the above classical contrast between Jangala and Anupa is echoed to a large extent in the geographical and genetic distinction that Sufiyan draws between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those occupying the Gangetic plains.

    (3) Fortunately, as Dr Elst helpfully reminds us, as a historical claim, this thesis is largely untrue. The Gupta and Sikh empires clearly saddled this border, and one looks in vain for a historical kingdom coinciding with the Indus territory or with modern-day Pakistan…Pakistan is estranged from its Harappan heritage, while Hindus have a far more profound claim on the Sindhu-Saraswati civilization.

    (4) When I think of the mighty Sindhu River, the image that first comes to my mind is the opening line from the Devala Smriti composed by Devala (which includes rituals for facilitating return to Dharma for those who had been forcibly converted): As he sat meditating on the bank of the Sindhu river…

    Shrinivas Tilak July 2, 2013

  14. B Shantanu says:

    From INDIANS WERE NOT AHISTORICAL, Review of “Geography, People and Geodynamics of India in Puranas and Epics” by KS Valdiya:

    Noted geologist KS Valdiya investigates the geological history of the Indian subcontinent as mentioned in the epics and Puranas, hitherto a largely neglected field, writes Rohit Srivastava

    In his famous Minutes on Education (1835), Thomas Babington Macaulay admitted that he had “no knowledge of either Sanscrit or Arabic”, but nevertheless pontificated about the “intrinsic superiority” of Western literature. In the 20th century, Indian scholarship unfortunately internalised his views and rejected the merit of our ancient literature in totality, as part of a shameful attempt to gain acceptance — jobs, scholarships, seminar invitations — from Western academia, without ever trying to seriously evaluate the corpus and its relevance in our contemporary lives.

    As a result of this intellectual abdication, modern Indians are totally disconnected from the intellectual currents of their native tradition over the past 3,000 years and cannot put context to its historical books and epics. In sharp contrast, historians in the West have made strenuous efforts to revisit Greek and Roman mythology with the help of archeology, geology and other branches of science.

    The decades of intellectual sloth and subservience are now being shattered through pioneering work of experts with an appetite for new explorations and a desire to bequeath a legacy that future generations can view with pride. Thus, we have a number of path-breaking publications on the historicity of Hindu texts. Noted geologist KS Valdiya, through his book Geography, People and Geodynamics of India in Puranas and Epics, investigates the geological history of the Indian subcontinent as mentioned in the Puranas, hitherto a largely neglected field. Although every Hindu has for centuries done puja with the sacred mantra — “Jambudweep bharatkhande aryavarte” — very few know what Jambudweep is and where it lies, or what the difference is between Bharatkhande and Aryavarte.

    According to the Puranas, the earth comprises of seven mega-islands or continents, each one bigger than the other, and all surrounded by oceans of salt water. The mega-islands are Jambudweep, Plaksh, Shalmal, Kush, Kraunch, Shak and Pushkar (Shiva Purana, Pancham Umasanhita, Kurma Purana). It is likely that the seven mega-islands are the seven continents we know today — Eurasia, Africa, South America, North America, Arctic and Antarctica. This book answers many such questions.

    Ancient Indian texts are exhaustive in their treatment of flora, fauna, the geographical extent of India, the mountain ranges and the origin of rivers. These texts literally map the geography of India to such an extent that even today the Geological Survey of India would be astonished at what these authors recorded thousands of years ago, with few sophisticated tools in hand, covering meticulously the geography of almost the entire subcontinent and beyond.

    The book scrutinises the Puranas for the geographical history of the subcontinent. The physiology of the country has changed since the time these books were written. The Puranas are part of Itihas (history) of ancient India. But Valdiya proves, with his expertise in geology, that these books also have recorded the changes in the geography of the land at the time the stories were being written.

    We would do well to have a look at these books to improve our understanding of the land and see the impact of changes on human civilisation. A case in point is the disappearance of the mighty Saraswati river which led to massive displacement and resettlement of the populace. Valdiya has mentioned a few Sanskrit verses to corroborate this. In the Mahabharata, Balram went in search of the Saraswati’s course; this proves that the disappearance of the river must have had enormous consequences for the people and the region. Balram has traditionally been credited with using his plough to pull the Yamuna, originally a tributary of the Saraswati, towards Mathura, thereby making it a separate river and saving the region for human settlement. The story explains the agricultural prosperity of Mathura which supported a rich and powerful kingdom.

    Similarly, examining the locations of the 12 dhams with their jyotirlings, one would be struck by the realisation that practically all these places are characterised by spectacular landforms and extraordinary geological features shaped by uncommon earth processes. These facts speak volumes of the great vision, penetrating intellect and incredible knowledge of earth science among those who discovered them and made them national monuments by investing divinity on the naturally formed symbols of srishti or creation. There can be no denying, says Valdiya, that these men were not only intrepid explores and keen observers, but also deeply perceptive earth scientists.

    The Pandavas, following Bhishma’s advice, went on a long pilgrimage across the country, visiting numerous shrines and cities, most likely to understand the socio-economic conditions and problems of the people inhabiting the different parts of the country. From this and many other accounts of pilgrimages and military campaigns, it is obvious that ‘Bharatvarsh’ of the Puranas and epic times was even larger than India before Independence. It is a sobering thought.

    This book has been written in a scientific manner, with extensive use of maps, diagrams, satellite pictures and coloured pictures of geographical features — all extremely useful for students of Indian history and geography. The author has extensively researched Sanskrit texts, and every sentence is supported by appropriate shlokas with translations for the benefit of the general reader. Valdiya has taken care to be precise and to keep sceptics quiet with the liberal use of verses from ancient texts, rather than using generalised translations to support his conclusions. This book is compulsory reading for students of the civilisational history of India.

  15. B Shantanu says:

    From Rakhigarhi, the biggest Harappan site by T. S. SUBRAMANIAN, Mar 7, 2014:
    The discovery of two more mounds in January at the Harappan site of Rakhigarhi in Hisar district, Haryana, has led to archaeologists establishing it as the biggest Harappan civilisation site. Until now, specialists in the Harappan civilisation had argued that Mohenjo-daro in Pakistan was the largest among the 2,000 Harappan sites known to exist in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The archaeological remains at Mohenjo-daro extend around 300 hectares.
    Mohenjo-daro, Harappa and Ganweriwala (all in Pakistan) and Rakhigarhi and Dholavira (both in India) are ranked as the first to the fifth biggest Harappan sites.
    ..
    “With the discovery of two additional mounds, the total area of the Rakhigarhi site will be 350 hectares,” asserted Professor Vasant Shinde, Vice-Chancellor/Director, Deccan College Post-Graduate & Research Institute, a deemed-to-be university in Pune.

    An important problem about the Harappan civilisation is the origin of its culture, Dr. Shinde said.

    Dr. Shinde said: “It was earlier thought that the origin of the early Harappan phase took place in Sind, in present-day Pakistan, because many sites had not been discovered then. In the last ten years, we have discovered many sites in this part [Haryana] and there are at least five Harappan sites such as Kunal, Bhirrana, Farmana, Girawad and Mitathal, which are producing early dates and where the early Harappan phase could go back to 5000 BCE. We want to confirm it. Rakhigarhi is an ideal candidate to believe that the beginning of the Harappan civilisation took place in the Ghaggar basin in Haryana and it gradually grew from here. If we get the confirmation, it will be interesting because the origin would have taken place in the Ghaggar basin in India and slowly moved to the Indus valley. That is one of the important aims of our current excavation at Rakhigarhi.”

  16. B Shantanu says:

    Adding this here for reference:
    ASI finds copper figures and weapons dating back 3,800 years in UP’s Mainpuri by SHIKHA SALARIA
    25 June, 2022
    ASI markings on similar antiquities discovered earlier in the western UP region, Sanauli, suggest that inhabitants of that time were possibly engaged in fighting.