The Largest Genocide in History?
In response to a question on the “genocide of Hindus” on Yahoo! groups, Kalavai Venkat wrote the following:
Please see Koenraad Elst (http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/books/negaind/ch2.htm):
As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the “..Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate).”
Please also read the free ebooks of Prof. K. S. Lal at http://voiceofdharma.com/books.html on the debilitating effects of Islamic rule in India. Elst’s books are also available for free at the same site.
The above figure does not include the number of Hindus killed between 700s, when Muslims first invaded India, and 1000 CE, nor the numbers that perished under the brutal zamindari-ryotwari systems that first the Muslims and later the British implemented.
Even at 80 million deaths, this constitutes the largest genocide in history – one that has been hushed up largely because of the tacit understanding between Christians and Muslims (as well as the pseudo-secularists that are on the payroll of the church or the Saudis.) in India as both seek to convert the Hindus.
Most western academics are either religious or cultural Christians that tacitly align with the church. As a result, they too not only hush up Hindu genocide but also justify Islamic rule.
Hi
Very nice article, and very good to read.
Firstly, Islam is very clear about statues: didn’t the Prophet Mohamed break down himself the first stone Gods ? Thereafter, it became a holy duty for all good Muslims. Firuz Shah Tughlak (1351-1388) who has an avenue named after him in New Delhi, wrote: “on the day of a Hindu festival, I went there myself, ordered the executions of all the leaders and practitioners of this abomination; I destroyed their idols and temples to build mosques in their places”.
Encyclopaedia Britannica recalls that in December 1398 AD, Timur Lane ordered the execution of at least 50,000 captives before the battle for Delhi; likewise, the number of captives butchered by Timur Lane’s army was about 100,000 .
Sad part is our government
Why does not the Government of India tell Indian children about the Hindu Kush genocide? The horrors of the Jewish holocaust are taught not only in schools in Israel and USA, but also in Germany. Because both Germany and Israel consider the Jewish holocaust a ‘dark chapter’ in the history.
Keep posting mate….
Truth is, how much of the West actually knows this? Alas, that is why it is called “the bloody borders of Islam”, in this case Islam meaning the Middle East and Northern Africa. Wherever Islam starts to run into the areas of other perdominant cultures, to this day there is still bloodshed. It is not Islam’s fault by any means, this coming from a Gaudiya Vaishnava. It is the people who kill one another because they cannot learn to be tolerant and learn to live and love others’ different beliefs, both Muslim and and their neighbors.
Dear Sir,
The genocide of the Hindus has not taken center stage even as of date because it will hurt the sentiments of the secular brigade.
You must also understand that it has been only some ten years since we Indians have come out of the shadow of the crippling Nehruvian era and this “net” has opened the eyes of the educated Indian.
It is out of sheer accident that we came out of it , due to the contribution of the “net” and the tremendous pressure consequently of the ‘WWW” and not any great effort of the Indians.
We should appreciate that at least today we have a person who has has had the guts to highlight this subject and brought it into focus.
The tragedy is that in spite of this being posted on 01/10/07 the responses have been very muted. This only goes to show that the feel of the genocide has not been felt by us. It is also, as a matter of fact that we try to be above board and will not be a part of the “Society” if one was to discuss this matter, as it is not a “Whiteman’s” subject and involves only the “Black Hindu.”
It is also that many of us still do not want to come out with the truth that Gandhi has let us down and downplayed everything Hindu.
Unless we come out of the bogey of the “Whiteman”, “Convent School Education”, and not looking at the truths of “Gandhi” this Genocide matter will never be discussed as much the problem of the “Dalit’s, “Taliban’ , “Gandhigiri” and “Justice to christian dalits”.
Regards,
vck
VCK: Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I expect nothing better from the “secular establishment”.
As long as we depend on others to “learn” our history, this is what we will get.
I started this blog as an attempt to learn my own history and to discover my roots – and with every passing day, I realise how little I know and how much more there is to “learn”.
Which is also the reason why I always request my readers to spread the word. Spreading awareness is the first step in re-discovery…hopefully some day we will know the truth. I remain optimistic.
Satyameva-Jayate !
Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.
P.S. The deaths in Godhra have already been classified as a holocaust by no less than our esteemed PM: http://www.sandeepweb.com/2007/10/19/the-lamb-roars-again/
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Kya Khub! Well said Jagmohan Singh Khurmi.
Jai Hind
Ironically these words belong to Allama Iqbal ( the same poet who wrote ‘Sare Jahan Se Accha Hindustan hamaara…’ ), but today he is remembered as Iqbal the convert…
Please read and forward this book to all, who wish to learn/see a bit about Genocide of Hindus of Eastern Bengal (later East Pakistan, now Bangladesh).
Title: My People, Uprooted- “Saga of the Hindus of Eastern Bengal” by Tathagata Roy
Preface:
http://www.bengalvoice.com/uproot_preface.htm
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The purpose of the book is not, repeat not, to create disaffection between Hindu and Muslim or between India and Bangladesh. It is my firm belief that telling the truth does not create disaffection, but concealing it may do so, at least in the long run. However, if such disaffection does result then it is again my belief that the same should be taken care of by means other than suppressing the truth. Preferably by facing it, and also facing the fact that the post-independence generation in either country and either religion have not been told the truth, from mala fide motives….
The Radcliffe award gave Muslim-majority Murshidabad district to India, and in return Hindu-majority Khulna district went to Pakistan. Today the proportion of Muslims in Murshidabad is much more than what it was at the time of partition, while the Hindu population of Khulna has decimated. There is no Jhulan-jatra any more in Dacca, but Idd and Muhurrum are celebrated with all pomp and glory in Calcutta. Infiltration of Bangladeshi Muslims into the border districts of West Bengal and Bihar goes on unabated, and that into Assam has reduced – not stopped – only after a bloody revolt. …
Read the complete online book:
http://www.bengalvoice.org/uproot_menu.htm
Another informative article.
Hindu Genocide in East Pakistan
By Shrinandan Vyas
ABSTRACT
It is well known that the 1971 army repression in Bangla Desh (former East Pakistan) resulted in an influx of 10 million refugees into India. Most world renowned relief and news agencies put the number of dead at 3 million. However the fact that is glossed over in these statistics is that THE ENTIRE HINDU POPULATION OF EAST PAKISTAN WAS THE PRIMARY TARGET OF PAKISTANI ARMY DURING THE 9 MONTHS OF REPRESSION IN 1971. Using the population statistics from Bangla Desh Government and US Government publications this article PROVES that 80 percent of the refugees from Bangla Desh were Hindus and that 80 percent of the 3 million killed were Hindus. THUS IT WAS A HINDU REFUGEE PROBLEM and IT WAS A HINDU GENOCIDE THAT TOOK PLACE IN EAST PAKISTAN IN 1971.
Ref.
http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/hindu_bangla.html
Dear Sir,
I absolutely agree with you when you mention about your “History”. I do not know it as it has been haphazardly handled by our fore fathers.
I would anyway like to add a comment here which may or may not be palatable to many who appear on your screen.
Most of “our History” has been before the conquests and very elaborately discussed in various angles in various posts of yours. The question that it begs is that do we have a history after the conquests at all!
As discussed at various times , even by me in other posts “our History” cannot be read as the “History” of the others. It is so independent of them, but again very intertwined with them in the sense that the unravelling may not be possible at all, or if at all may lead to a lot more bad feelings.
It is very difficult not to feel that “our history” has not kept pace with anything other than what the west has fed us with. It lies in our villages, our festivals, our way of celeberating everything and every seaon. “our history” lives with us and within us.
I do not know whether I am putting across the idea clearly, but in a sense I feel ‘our history’ is within us and we should now bring it out ot feel it and also make it apparent for others.
We should promise ourselves that and also pledge that we shall overcome the present anti hindu activities of every sector and make the future a part of our not “history” but “Historical” as we were once.
Regards,
vck
@ Jagmohan:Thanks for the great quote. As you said, it is ironic that they belong to Allam Iqbal.
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@ Bharat: Thanks for the links. I will have a look at both of them over the weekend.
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@ vck: Thanks for shairng your thoughts.
History has always been “written” and interpreted by the victors. In that sense, it is very hard to find objective accounts of what happened in the distant past or even a couple of centuries ago.
A good example of this is the First War of Independence (1857) also referred to as the Great Mutiny, the Sepoy Mutiny, the 1857 Rebellion and so on (depending on whom you ask).
Even contemporary issues do not escape this bias – so the “history” of the 1962 war with China is quite different depending on what you read and who you ask (that includes our esteemed comrades as well).
However that should not mean we abandon truth in our desire not to create “bad feelings” (- as you put it)…
In fact the post on the Chandragupta Pillar in Delhi is another example of this…
What has prevented successive governments from renaming the Pillar as the Chandragupta Pillar – instead of calling it the “Mehrauli Pillar” or the even more common “Delhi Iron Pillar”? Do these names convey any sense of its glorius past?
And what prevent authorities from opening the sealed rooms and underground passages of the Taj? A desire not to “hurt” anyone’s feelings? or something else?
Anyways, I will wait to hear what others think of this…perhaps this is worthy of a separate post in itself.
Thanks.
I have read the e-book by Mr. Tathagata Roy.
He is absolutely right.
Nothing angers me more than when they lie that both we Hindus and muslims were equally responsible for the 1947 mayhem.
The one and only thing responsible was the cold-blooded and cowardly preplanning by Muslim League and nothing else. Only in Punjab the traffic was two-way, and even then there was a vast difference between muslim violence and Sikh violence.
A Sikh who has seen horrible processions of naked Sikh (and Hindu) women hung by steel cable passing thru their breasts is likely to get mad and open fire on muslims when he got a chance to do so.
Even then the Sikhs up-kept their historical battle-dignity and refrained from raping and abduction, their brief reaction was limited to shooting muslim males and destroying muslim property, and it was only the news of their retaliation in East Punjab that finally stopped the ongoing anti-Sikh and anti-Hindu massacre in newly formed Pakistan.
Dear Sir,
Thank you very much for appreciating my sentiments. As thought by you this particular subject should be made a seperate post and not only should you do it but also suggest thoughts as you have indicated, like the point on the “Chandragupta Pillar” and the opening of the “taj’s history”.
I would also suggest that you bring in a post to discuss how best we can identify the commonalities that exist in “Bharat’ with respect to functions of any sort, celeberations of any sort, to link up to our glorious tradition and the glorious past.
It may even provide us with an opportunity to get our “History” back to understand it differnt from the deviant one we know of now.
Regards,
vck
For Daijiryuu (3:08 m post)
Haribol Prabhu!
How do you say the genicide was not the fault of Islam?
I say Muslims are decent people *until* they hear
*and buy into* the intolerant message of Islam.
1) How do decent people become terrorists only *after* they hear of the 72 waiting for them upstairs (to reward them for killing the kafir?
2) Do all those verses in the Koran (Qur’ aan) and the incidents recorded in the Hadith not explicitly ask the faithful to go kill the infidel? Have you read them, Prabhu?
I think the biggest genocide is ‘Holodomor’, when 7-11 millions of Ukrainian souls were starved to death in just one year (1932-1933) by Russian comunists. Maybe not largest by number of persons died, but by number of souls per time! It was kept in secret until 1995, until than, all was just a rummor. Just type ‘Holodomor’ of ‘artiffitial famine’ in Google and see with your own eyes.
Please stop spreading violence and hatred among ppl. u r not going to gain anything by destabilizing the country and its delicate social fabric. on the contrary u r going to lose in the long run. there are other numerous topics in which our intellect can be ploughed on rather these silly and emotional stuff which bring peace to nobody. as responsible citizens of a country which proclaims cultural supremacy over the rest of the world, we should be more careful not to fall into the traps of the extremists, irrespective of their religious leaning.
@ touchriverian: Thanks for your comment.
I am not sure why you got the feeling that I am trying to spread “violence and hatred among ppl”…
Like you, I am a proud Bharatiya and the last thing I would want is to destabilise our motherland or rupture its social fabric.
If there is any specific comment that you found objectionable, please let me know.
As for there being “other numerous topics in which our intellect can be ploughed“, I have no disagreement with that.
There are indeed a number of issues on which we, as concerned citizens, need to think and share our
views…but those topics are not mutually exclusive.
Could you also please tell me what exactly is the “silly and emotional stuff” that you are talking about?
That will help me clarify my position and help you understand the topics that this blog covers.
Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.
An interesting book on the history of India and how Indians have swallowed a whitewashed history about the barbaric violence of the Islamic invasions has been written by Francois Gautier: it is called Rewriting Indian History , and is available online.
One of the really interesting features of various conversations I have had with many Indians on Indian history, is that most of the students who come out of an Indian school system have very little knowledge of the brutality of Islamic rule and often think of the brutality as rare. They also seriously believe that the root cause of that violence was political or economic reasons. Rarely has anyone made the connection that the root cause of the violence was religious beliefs.
Unfortunately, unless one is prepared to really examine history accurately, one is condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past. Thus we see entire generations of Indians who have been fed a whitewashed history, who are now making public policy. It is not surprising that we have a PM who is not able to respond to the swiftly or intelligently to the terrorist attacks we are facing in India.
Kharapriya:
Exactly.
The bottom 99% of our psec intellectuals, like sheep, are engaged in perpetuating the whitewashed history, while the top 1% of the psec intellectuals are know all about the whitewash, but are making sure anyone who dares question the whitewashed history is labelled a vitriolic hindutvawaadi terrorist, because that is what makes money (from the Southern Baptists, Western “SouthAsiaStudies” departments, The Mullah Network etc) and gets votes from psec sheep and the de facto majority (which our media, for some strange reason, calls the “minority”)
Most of our psecs want to give lectures on the purported peaceful nature of non-hindu religions without reading any of the texts which these religions hold dear, or without listening to the sermons in any missionary church or madrassa. And they also want to parrot all the filth about hinduism that the white guy has flung at India over the centuries.
This is a long, drawn-out battle to get the truth out.
Satyameva jayate.
Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya.
Dear Sir,
It is truly a white wash over the years and the “Christian Educated Braggart” still tries to continue with it.
Recently a PIL has been filed asking the Supreme Court to stop the act of “SALWA JUDUM’ as it destroys the peace of the area where it is under opearation. It is once again a motivated action.
The reason does not lie very far; even the higher authorities have woken up to the menace of the “COMMIE MAOISTS” and what they have done to a neighbouring country such that the social fabric of the nation has been destroyed, as it belongs to a way of life which is abhorrent to the “EDUCATORS” of these sorts!
This means the higher ups are going to come down heavily on these COMMIE MAOISTS, which indirectly going to have a go at these “EDUCATORS”!!!
So what is the best way? “DESTROY” and snip it at the beginning itself so that these COMMIE MAOISTS can continue to exterminate the honest people of “BHARAT” and these “EDUCATORS” can move in as saviours later.
Let us wake up to the menace of these “BRAGGARTS” and set things right, by beginning with ourselves and spreading the word around.
Regards,
vck
Hi…I do agree that Genocide is ABSOLUTELY wrong!!
Genocide has effected many nations, & I do hope that other people will learn more about these stories.
Actually the largest Genocide in History, were the “Indigenous” peoples of the America’s, from 70 – 100 million (95%).
I really hope that your story here will be heard by many others.
Thx 4 sharing. 🙂
As a Muslim I am ashamed of any illegitimate killing–even of a single soul. Islam does not condone it. Muslims have indeed perpetrated great crimes in the name of Islam, but we must not reject the other side, which is that Muslims in recent history have been the greatest victims of oppression. Karma perhaps?
Note on Hindikush by Ghostwriter (via comment left on Sandeep’s blog):
Stop dwelling in pity you so-called educated Indians. These terrible events happened in an era where everybody killed or got killed. Stop whining and focus on good deeds you can do as a person instead of being the victim of something that happened a century ago.
This is all bullshit!! you do not have any clue about this…
Islam spread to Indian subcontinent by merchants. Merchants how were traveling between muslim world and indian lands were respected by the indians and so the followed them.
Whoever the anonymous above me is, he has a great sense of humor.
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Sir,
thank you for sharing your insights.
i am a cultural christ, being actually an agnostic, living in germany.
it is true, most europeans are not aware of the barbarian and ruthless path islam left in india. i know this, because i want to learn from the past how best to deal with this global challenge we all face. the global jihad.
and this is why i stumbled upon india’s past under islam. and i was shocked about the ruthlessness moslem invaders applied when moving into india.
hindus and christians were the only civilisations who successfully stopped islamic expansion in the past. today, we will be asked to fight back again. probably in our lifetime.
the tragedy you lived in mumbai just shows that islam never sleeps, and that they showed how easy it is for the ruthless to create chaos in a huge city. this is a blueprint for more jihadist acts in the future. worldwide.
the west officially adher to the policy of appeasement – building everywhere mosques and bowing before the demand of more and more radicalised muslims. they don’t understand, or simply underestimate, the eternal call for global jihad embedded in the quran.
i have deep honor for the indian people, consider them brave, smart and offsprings from the oldest civilisation of mankind. so many civilisations have learned from india’s civilisation.
i wish we could learn from each other how to deal with that common enemy.
wish you all the best,
Martin
Narendra Modi knows well how to contain what can become radical islamism if you have got a good muslim population. His funda is EDUCATE THEM.
and therefore he has got his state to cover maximum number of children in schools. Gujarat has best Muslims literacy rate in India. And the muslims there vote for him. because he takes care of thier stomach, their trade.
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This is a terrible genocide, on which light needs to be shed for the sake of granting justice to our ancestors.
But more importantly, there are still people alive, and in power today, which would wish much worse for India, in Pakistan, a nation with dual stage nuclear stockpile and ICBMs to reach all of India.
More on Hindu-Kush, from Why Post-Colonial Lords Have A Colonial Hangover by Rakesh Krishnan Simha, 2014-11-15, Issue 46 Volume 11:
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First up, Hindu Kush does not mean tears of the Hindus. It means Hindu-killer, and is named so because of the numerous Hindu men, women and children who perished while crossing these mountains when they were being hauled off to the slave markets of Central Asia by Muslim invaders. Their numbers run into the millions going by the accounts of Muslim chroniclers who accompanied these invaders, in particular Mahmud Ghazni and Muhammad Ghori.
Let’s hear it from the experts. Koenraad Elst, a leading Indologist from the University of Leuven in Belgium, quotes Arabic-French translation of Ibn Batuta’s travels. In Voyages d’Ibn Battuta, the Moroccan traveller says: “Another motive for our journey was fear of the snow, for in the middle of this route there is a mountain called Hindu Kush, meaning ‘Hindu-killer’, because many of the male and female slaves transported from India die in these mountains because of the violent cold and the quantity of snow.â€
Elst writes: “Yes, Ibn Battuta testifies that Hindu Kush means ‘Hindu-killer’, and he records it as an already existing name. He also testifies the name was occasioned by a Muslim mistreatment of Hindus, viz. their massive abduction as slaves to Central Asia. In his account, the name does not refer to one particular incident of slaughter, but to the frequent phenomenon of caravans of Hindu slaves crossing the mountain range and losing part of their cargo to the frost.â€
Secondly, Dalrymple throws in Timur to back up his argument. Here’s what Elst has to say: “While we are at it, we may lay to rest another misconception concerning the name Hindu Kush. It is sometimes claimed that the term refers to the occasion when the Uzbek invader Timur transported a mass of Hindu slaves and a hundred thousand of them died in one unexpectedly cold night on this mountain. This is a case of confusion with another incident, where indeed a hundred thousand Hindus died (were killed) in one night by Timur’s hand. That was in 1399, when Timur, fearing an uprising of his Hindu prisoners to coincide with the battle he was planning for the next days, ordered his men to kill all their Hindu slaves immediately, totalling a hundred thousand killed that very night.
“Ibn Battuta lived a few generations earlier, and he mentions ‘Hindu Kush’ as an already well-established usage. In his understanding, the reference was not to one spectacular occasion of slaughter, nor of mass death by frost, but of a recur- ring phenomenon of slaves on transport dying there. The number of casualties would not amount to a hundred thousand in a single night, but over centuries of Hindu slave transports by Muslim conquerors, the death toll must have totalled a far greater number.â€