Correcting History: One Step at a Time
OR Lies and more lies…
The following excerpt is from the Prologue to Dr Aich’s painstakingly researched book, “Lies with Long Legs†. These excerpts deal with the dating of the Saraswati-Sindhu civilisation (In this context, pl also read: “Falsification in Chronology in India’s History” by Dr Subramanian Swamy)
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…we would like to know how “modern historians†were able to acquire their knowledge. What were the sources of all these stories which are being ladled out even today? In that exemplary German “standard history book†of 1998 we get a hint about the quality of their sources on page 49:
The dating of the texts and the cultures that produced them was vigorously disputed for quite a long time also among western Indologists. Based on astronomical information the famous Indian freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak has published in his book «The Arctic Home in the Vedas» at the beginning of this century his belief that the origin of the Vedas was to be backdated to the 5th and 6th millennium BC. The German Indologist H. Jacobi came independently to similar conclusions and dated the beginning of the Vedic period in the middle of the 5th millennium. Mostly one followed, however, the dating set by the famous German Indologist Max Mueller who taught in Cambridge in the late 19th century. Setting out from the lifetime of the Buddha around 500 BC he dated the origin of the Upanishads in the centuries from 800 to 600 BC as the philosophy in them had originated before Buddha’s deeds. The Brahmana– and Mantra texts preceded these in the centuries from 1000 to 800 respectively from 1200 to 1000 BC. Today one dates the oldest Vedic text, that of Rigveda, into the middle of the 2nd millennium BC. Since the Vedas soon after this genesis as a divine manifestation were not allowed to be changed anymore and handed down to our contemporary time by priest families verbally in an unbelievably precise manner, they can now be considered, after their dating can be regarded as being fixed at least in specific centuries, as historical sources of first rank for the history of the vedic society in northern India.
Isn’t it impressive, the sheer style of this writing? The section: “Immigration and Settlement of Aryasâ€, yes, in fact the whole book is written in the same impressive style. And it is so convincing! It has exemplary “scientific†quality. Each sentence, each paragraph is convincingly presented. The book, from the first to the last word, is a demonstration of the scientific quality of the “Humanitiesâ€. Who can still have doubts about its contents? The most important principle of this science is to convince others. No, not exactly, not to convince. The principle is to make believe. The weak points are, wherever possible, packed in insignificant portions. And the debatable points, which might lead to criticism, are touched on, signalling that those aspects have been recognised, but could not be dealt with in detail due to the lack of space. Right?
At the beginning of the “modern humanitiesâ€, we suppose, it was more difficult “to make others believeâ€. But today the means of manipulation are almost perfect. It is not that the scientists of our time have become cleverer and packed their messages slyly. No, that’s not the way. We are more and more loosing our ability to recognise manipulations…
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It will not make much sense if we describe our way to emancipation in all details. It would rather make sense to read the above paragraph once again. This paragraph is exemplary. Let us read it slowly, word by word, sentence by sentence: “The dating of the texts and the cultures that produced them was vigorously disputed for quite a long time also among western Indologists (What could be the purpose of ‘for quite long time also among western Indologists’ in this connection? Is it important to know? Is it not more important to know why it ‘was vigorously disputed … also among western Indologists’? Why? And what is the meaning of ‘also among western Indologists’ in particular? And all these controversial items in one sentence? Why aren’t we informed in a simple way that: for a long time the dating was controversial among Indologists? And thereafter the issues of controversies? Was all this done just by mistake?).
“Based on astronomical information (Is the information correct or wrong?) the famous Indian freedom fighter (‘famous Indian freedom fighter’? What are we to be conditioned for now?) Bal Gangadhar Tilak has published in his book «The Arctic Home in the Vedas» at the beginning of this century his belief (‘belief’?) that the origin of the Vedas was to be backdated to the 5th and 6th millennium BC (Did Bal Gangadhar Tilak give some reasons also?). The German Indologist H. Jacobi came independently to similar conclusions and dated the beginning of the Vedic period in the middle of the 5th millennium.â€
The ‘famous Indian freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak‘ is not easily available to us. However, ‘the German Indologist H. Jacobi‘ is. Hermann Jacobi (1850-1937) was a mathematician. He got his doctorate in 1872 on: De astrologiae Indicae, Hora’ appellatae originibus. Translated, it means: About the origins of the term ‚Hora’ in the Indian astrology. He worked with Jainic texts dealing with mathematical and calculational background. He was proficient in Prakrit and in Pali, both spoken versions of Sanskrit 2600 years ago in the eastern area in India, in the present state of Bihar. Up to his middle age he remained a mathematician and natural scientist. He also wrote a Prakrit–grammar. He contributed an article on the age of Vedas on the basis of astronomical calculations on the occasion of a commemorative volume for the indologist Rudolf von Roth, which then was published in 1908 also in the “Journal of the Royal Asiatic Societyâ€. In his published biography we cannot find any indications about his knowledge in Sanskrit. Having gained this background knowledge the next three sentences in our exemplary paragraph cast a different light.
“Mostly one followed, however, (why so?) the dating set by the famous German Indologist Max Mueller who taught in Cambridge in the late 19th century (Was he famous because he taught as a German in Cambridge, or did he teach in Cambridge because he was famous before? Did he become “the leader (of the indologist–packâ€) because he was famous, or did he become famous because he had ascended to “the leader of the packâ€? We would prefer to know i*** nstead how this indologist established the dating of the Vedas. Absolutely no indication. And what is more, there had never been a German Indologist ‘in Cambridge’ called Max Mueller…
Setting out from the lifetime of the Buddha around 500 BC he dated the origin of the Upanishads in the centuries from 800 to 600 BC as the philosophy in them had originated before Buddha’s deeds. These were preceded by the Brahmana– and Mantra texts in the centuries from 1000 to 800 respectively from 1200 to 1000 BC (Are these methodological indications or arguments? Instead they foist upon us the information that the famous German indologist Max Mueller could read these texts brilliantly, judge them and consequently deduce when these texts were written. Nothing like that in fact. We shall deal with Friedrich Maximilian Mueller, that is his full name, in detail giving special attention to his knowledge of Sanskrit in particular and to the knowledge of Sanskrit of the indologists in general. Now we can continue our reading.).
“Today one dates (just like that?) the oldest Vedic text, that of Rigveda, into the middle of the 2nd millennium of BC. Since the Vedas soon after this genesis (had there been anything before that?) as a divine manifestation (A divine manifestation is always related to a person. To whom was the Rigveda divinely manifested and by which God?) were not allowed to be changed anymore (how could it be ascertained?) and handed down to our contemporary time by priest families (priest families?) verbally in an unbelievably precise manner, they can now be considered, after their dating can be regarded as being fixed at least in specific centuries, as historical sources of first rank for in northern India (Is this sensible reasoning?).â€
How does ‘the history of the vedic society‘ emerge? We also fail to comprehend the meaning and purpose of: ‘a divine manifestation’, ‘historical sources of first rank’ and ‘the history of the vedic society‘.
Another aspect is striking in this exemplary paragraph. It applies adjectives and adverbs, positively and negatively loaded, as an instrument of manipulation, like: ‘vigorously disputed’, ‘for quite a long time’, ‘western Indologists’, ‘famous Indian freedom fighter Bal Gangadhar Tilak’, ‘the German Indologist’, ‘mostly one followed’, ‘the famous German Indologist Max Mueller’.
…(Was this) A diversion of focus as a technique of manipulation(?).
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Related Posts: Correcting History – One bit at a time, Correcting History – Part II and Shuddho – Aushuddho: Distorting History, One Step at a Time
Just in, courtesy Dr Kalayanaraman-ji (who is doing pioneering work in this field):
Rgveda 7.95.2 and Karen Thomson, or deliberate and learned ignorance: N. Kazanas’ rejoinder (May 2011)
Link: December 2010 issue of the Journal of Indo-European Studies (vol 38, nos 3 and 4) which contained Kazanas’ critique of Ms. Thomson’s article ‘A still undeciphered text’ (JIES, 2009).
Kazanas’ response concludes:“Here I take my leave of Karen Thomson for good. Much else could be said but enough is enough. One cannot hold a useful dialogue with so dishonestt an interlocutor. But one hopes that she will continue, with less arrogance, grumbling and criticism, her good work in re-examining ambiguous words and phrases in the RV and will not shy away from giving better interpretations.”
Read on the full response… http://www.docstoc.com/docs/81784122/Kazanas-rejoinder-to-Karen-Thomson
A great piece of work by Pradosh Aich (Lies with long legs,2004). Highly recommended, finished reading few weeks ago. Such literary work always raises the obvious questions:
What made the so called indologists/ British Raj to translate “primitive” Vedic literature in tons of volumes in English and other foreign languages. Why?
1.Were they so scared of something which if known to rest of the world would question their false ‘superiority’ and acts?
2. What would have happened to the fate of their recorded history had the Ramayana and Mahabharata and othe VEDIC LITERATURE were considered as history and not mythologies? Who decided these are mythologies and why?
3. Importantly what was the message in VEDIC LITERATURE for the mankind which they were trying to manipulate and hide from rest of the world and why?
4. Who were they and what was their guiding source before the emergence of these Abrahamic religions?
Such is effect of this great manipulation that its repercussions are still felt not only in the Indian society but in the entire world.
Dear Shantanu,
Thanks for the post above. Great work.
A request to you and other bloggers who are passionately unearthing truth about Indian History among other fields of study:
Kanchi Paramacharya has elaborately dealt with dating the time and era of Adi Shankaracharya in the 5th volume of Deivattin Kural. He irrefutably points out to the time period of Adi Shankaracharya as 509 to 477 BC as against 788 to 820 AD. Is there any other research article similar to this available in the net? Do you have access? Because this involves re-writing history even about times of Gautama Buddha, Chandragupta, Tamil saints, Kalidasa etc.
Thanks and best wishes
Ramaswamy
Dear All,
Regarding the degeneration of our history, please refer to the History Channel, there is a great 19mins. presentation of how Indians had the technology for flying objects as per their Puranas and their Upanishads.
They have also mentioned that the Germans translated the Sanskrit texts to German and applied it to their scientific discoveries.
The speakers on the channel also talk about Stealth Technology.
available at that time.
Is it a case whereby some people degenerate the way of life and the History bur make use of it for their own benefit and ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING?
Regards,
vck
From an email by Sh N S Rajaram:
This (the Konkan find) predates the Indus Valley (or Harappan) civilization by several thousand years.
David Frawley and I have always held that Vedic culture spread from the coastal regions to the interior and north. Manu moved from Kerala to the Sarasvati valley which became established in the north. (See Hidden Horizons by Frawley and Rajaram.)
This also accounts for the strong maritime symbolism in the Vedas and the Puranas. So we are not in the least surprised by the supposedly ‘new’ findings– in fact we anticipated them in several of our publications.
with reference to 8000-year-old advanced civilisation in Konkan Coast?
Would recommend “The plot in Indian Chronology” by Kota Venkatachelum.
It was published in 1950s and is available for free at Digital Library of India.
The author has dealt in detail with how the colonial camp of scholarship distorted so many aspects/limestones of Indian history. Includes dating Buddha, both the ChandraGupta (Gupta and Maurya), Mahabharata etc.
Regards,
Virendra
Somewhat tangential but a very good read Veda adhyayana and academic study of vedic texts by R . Ramanathan