Nail the LIES. Make your voice heard on J&K…
As the interlocutors talk of amending the Indian Constitution to consider the “Azaadi” option for Jammu & Kashmir, please realise that slience and indifference are no longer an option…
This could be the beginning of another division of India…another partition and another bloodbath…
Nail the LIES on Jammu & Kashmir.
Remind your friends and acquaintances of the history of the accession of the State. Those who question Kashmir’s history and links with India need to be forcefully reminded that Kashmir owes its name to Maha-Rishi Kashyap.
Remind them of the numerous references to Kashmir in MahaBhArat.
Remind everyone of the resolution passed by J&K Assembly in February 1954 that unanimously ratified the state’s accession to India.
Remind them of Section 3 that states, “The State of Jammu and Kashmir is and shall be an integral part of the Union of India”
Nail the lies on “discriminatory” and poor treatment of Kashmiris by citing these facts and figures. Remind them of the forgotten “J” in J&K(and the rarely remembered Ladakh)
Remind them that the only unfinished agenda in J&K is the withdrawal of Pakistani forces from occupied Kashmir.
Remind them of the “Param-Veer”s who sacrificed their lives to defend this territory.
Remind everyone that Jammu & Kashmir is and will remain an integral part of India. This Punya-Bhoomi (sacred land) is inseparable from the identity of Bharat, the identity of India
Make your voice heard. Don’t let the Arundhati Roys and the Syed Geelanis set the agenda on J&K.
Stress the facts: Any talk of plebisctite/”Azaadi” is a non-starter. The only unresolved problem in J&K is Article 370. It is time to say loudly: One Country, One Law, One Flag. We must repeatedly stress this…
Please share widely with your friends and acquaintances.
For more (a lot more), have a look at this series of recent posts.
Jai Hind, Jai Bharat!
…and a related question:
Can “freedom of expression” and “right of free speech” ever be absolute?
thanks shantanu, for putting that question in the end.
CAN ‘FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION’ AND ‘RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH’ EVER BE ABSOLUTE?
Not everyone can mouth whatever they feel like, there has to be restraint.
Freedom of expression is absolute.
The solution is not muzzling but an even more emphatic, fact-based response.
Everything seems to be a set up for ultimate “Azaadi”. The so called stone pelters and the recent stimulus to the unrest in the valley, the appointment of Interlocutors and their utterances, the seditious speeches of Arundhati, Geelani etc., and the support of the Vara Vara Rao and the like portends ill for our country. How can this country withstand one more vivisection ? What would be the fate of hindus left out ? We have seen the plight of hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh and Kashmir too ?
This is the time to speak up. If we remain silent today, we will not get a chance to speak tomorrow.
Readng Anshul Chaturvedi. “Don’t pity us, Arundhati – not yet” http://bit.ly/aMLbqQ (HT: Sanjay)
‘Remind them of Section 3 that states, “The State of Jammu and Kashmir is and shall be an integral part of the Union of India‒
Satyameva Jayate. That is not satya. Try to buy a property and live there. It is not an integral part of India. Read the constitution again. Don’t forget to read that section which does permit you to do that.
Timely post, this is for sure the time for all Indians to Arise, Awake from the deep slumber & voice out for the integrity of this ancient nation & society. There seems to be a distinct disinformation campaign orchestrated by few who only care for the attention they get due to such utterances..Accept that we have to spread our message & strong will as Indians to ensure there is no more talk of separation of J&K..Jai Hind..Vande Mataram
Meanwhile, the Opposition parties in India remain a mute witness … ???
How do we raise our voices ? What do we do ? There needs to be some plan.
Removal of Article 370 is the best way forward. But how do we force this govt to it ? Our Middle class is too engrossed in cricket, bollywood, and new found prosperity. Our elite is too pseudo-secular and take great pride in their rants against Hindu groups. They are sharing and supporting people like Geelani. Our poor are not even aware of what and where is Kashmir. Our media is paid by anti-nationals. Our celebrities are too politically correct. Is this an atmosphere and environment in which we are going to sort the Kashmir problem ? An ordinary Hindu middle-class citizen like me who cares is in a hopeless minority.
Let me repeat it. Kashmir has not been an integral part of India because of that article in the constitution that does not permit Indians to buy property and live there. There is absolutely no interest there for an average Indian. For much as I know, he/she probably needs a visa to enter this province. Successive Govts in India have shown no strategy whatsoever to integrate Kashmir in India. All these talks are just emotional outbursts without any logic. At best Kashmir should be divided, that too is necessary simply for the protection of minorities.
India wants pakistan to arrest Hafiz saeed for anti-India speech, but does not dare arrest its own citizens in its own land under its own laws for same crime!!
10.@Morris:
what u say is true. Article 370 has been blatantly misused by Kashmiri leaders (i.e. pak agents). Instead of preserving the demography and peace, A370 has resulted in much bloodshed, Pandit ethnic cleansing that’s permanently changed the demography, and leaves the government looking like an idiot, aside from all the taxpayer money spent and soldiers lives lost trying to justify the joke that is the A370.
Kashmiris are in fact, truly first class citizens in India. Constitutionally. Kashmirirs are free to move about, study in univs, acquire property in India, but not vice versa.
It’s time to say NO to Article 370. Abolish that and let Kashmir truly integrate. But for that we need a Sardar Patel again.
Step Number One!! Stop voting for the UPA
cricfan
That is precisely my point. No one seems to talk about how to make Kashmir a fully integral part of India and they just get emotional about the issue. Look at what China is doing in Tibet. They connected it by rail and now chinese are settling there. We have a exactly the opposite happening. Kashmiris are throwing out hindus.
I think it is too late. The best India could do is to ensure that the minorities still living there are safe and would not become refugees. Just look around the world. Muslim majority viable region almost invariably wants separation. In Islam, religion and politics overlap. One need not be a rocket scientist to understand this. It is simple. Don’t gamble, because you will lose it all. Try ro save what you can.
Interesting points Shantanu. India should shut down the media for a few days and purge the state of militants. These stone pelting jerks are funded by the ISI and have no other work than to foment trouble.
Pls visit http://www.cifjkindia.org for complete info on JNK.
These lies have been nailed long back. It is actually the liars who need to be taken care of.
About J&K, do not bother. Our dimpled prince from the landlord family would sell it to the highest bidder whenever that suits his interest. We do not possess the strength in us to keep it, it is only natural that the voice of the stone throwers are heard.
As my internet connection is limited, I am forced to watch the news channels. Trust me there is not an iota of debate on this topic in the 24X7 media. It seems that the media and those who watch it consider the news of marriage of a second rate actor as “Breaking News”. Few hours back I watched an “intellectual” talking head distributing his pearl of wisdom on why nationalism is bad and Arundhati Roy is right. It appears to me that a minority wants Kashmir to secede, a minority wants it to be included and rest does not care. If majority does not care, why would Kashmir stay? Let it go.
Likes of AR are enablers of Islamofascism. Her stringent support of Geelani who espouses Dhimmi status for non Muslims clearly shows her contempt for Human Rights of Hindus and Sikhs. As such she is no liberal, in fact she is a rabid Hinduphobe.
“Geelani is quite clear in his vision of a Kashmir taken out of India. In Nava-e-Hurriyat he spells out that “Our goal is the establishment of Islamic Government… the freedom (that Kashmiris are struggling for) is for the sake of Islamâ€. What would Kashmir become if another partition of India takes place? Luckily, we do not have to hypothesise. We have clear examples in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Will Kashmiriyat be better supported in the Islamic state of Kashmir? The evidence would suggest otherwise. From Saudi Arabia to Pakistan we have models of repressive Islamic states denying basic freedom and democracy to their citizens, let alone to their dhimmi minorities. Pakistan is a simmering cauldron of continuous sectarian violence and a military controlled state. Can the Indian people really let another crucial portion of the Indian civilisation be surrendered to Pakistan-hood?
There is a paradox between Arundhati Roy’s cry for freedom within the Indian state for her advocacy of ideologies that have a track record of denying it. As she makes common cause with Islamists and Maoists she is well aware that rebels like her would be the first to be strung from a tree or a lamp post were either of these to actually come to power. So, she can speak comfortably between the courtesy of the Indian civilisation and the impotency of the Indian state. ”
http://www.dailypioneer.com/293500/Defeat-Arundhati-Roy-intellectually.html
Scrap #Article 370. Nothing more, nothing less.
Pl read this long extract (and the article in full) on how “Jammu” was almost obliterated from the name of this state…
In reply to Pandit Maitra, Ayyangar said: “Kashmir means Jammu and Kashmirâ€. He also justified his motion saying “in the Draft Constitution, the Schedule mentions the State of Kashmir†and “in the list that is attached to the Constituent Assembly Rules, it is already described as Kashmirâ€. He urged the members not to make this an issue and “let this description of the State of Kashmir stand, because if you change it, we will have to change other things which are already in our Statutes and Rulesâ€. In other words, Ayyangar expressed his unwillingness to insert the words “Jammu and†before Kashmir for reasons better known to him and which failed to carry conviction with Pandit Maitra and Prof. Shah. This is evident from the questions they raised in response to the lengthy statement of Ayyangar on the nomenclature of the State.
Convinced that Ayyangar would not be in a position to convince Pandit Maitra and Prof. Shah, Nehru himself took the stage. He defended Ayyangar and said that his stand was “correctâ€. He said, “I have been connected with Kashmir in many ways, and, in a sense, I belong to Kashmir more particularly than to any part of India. I have been connected with the fight of freedom in Kashmir… And so, if I venture to say anything in this House, I do so with greater authority than Prof. Shah can presume to have on the subject…
He then made a lengthy statement to counter the arguments of Prof. Shah and in praise of Sheikh Abdullah, his party and the Quit Kashmir Movement. At the same time, he suggested “a small change in the wording of the motion†with a view to “removing†what he called “a slight confusion in the people’s mindâ€. What he actually suggested was that the “State be described as Kashmir State, and then putting within brackets, the words otherwise known as the State of Kashmir and Jammuâ€.
It needs to be recalled that the State at no point of time during 1846-1949 was styled as the “State of Kashmir and Jammuâ€. It was always known as the State of Jammu and Kashmir, with Jammu as its permanent capital. It should also be underlined that the practice of moving the State Secretariat from Jammu to Kashmir and back was started during the time of Maharaja Ranbir Singh (1857-1885) for reasons political, the most noteworthy being the British design to cause an anti-Maharaja stir in the Valley and establish their foothold there and in and around Gilgit in order to check Russian activities across the border.
Mercifully, the Nehru’s formula did not click. Nor did it discourage Prof. Shah in his efforts to enlist the support of the Constituent Assembly in favour of his amendment. So the deadlock continued. Ultimately, Ayyangar moved an amendment to his motion and suggested that the name of the State be read as the State of Kashmir (otherwise known as the State of Jammu and Kashmir)â€. The Constituent Assembly adopted the amended motion.
Thus, Jammu, which had ruled over Kashmir for 101 years, found space in the nomenclature of the State, though within brackets. This happened primarily because of the efforts put in by the unyielding Prof. Shah, with Pandit Maitra extending him full support. Had they, like other members of the Constituent Assembly, remained mum or toed the official line, Jammu would have totally disappeared from the nomenclature of the State (Constituent Assembly Debates, Book No 3, Vol. VIII, May 16, 1949 to June 16, 1949, Reprinted by Lok Sabha Secretariat, New Delhi, Second Reprint, 1989, pp. 357-373).
Source: Nehru hatched four conspiracies against the nation by Hari Om, 04 Aug 2013.
The resolution to the Kashmir passed in the year 1947 was, the people of princely state Jammu and Kashmir should be given an option to be with Pakistan, India or independent.
The accession you are talking about is a fraud (Proved) and was made after the Dogra Army killed 5 Lakh Kashmiris (Mass Killing) in Poonch District of Jammu (That is way, Poonch is half under Pakistan Control and half in Indian control). And there after the Indian Army took over the complete state itself.
Do you know better than me about this???
Shantanu Bai, Eta tumar Mahabharet-er Kotha Noi…
Don’t search only google for this information. Discuss with me if you have guts.
@Tiger: I have not seen you here before, so welcome!
Re. the resolution to Kashmir, pl have a look at these slides (and the references) http://www.slideshare.net/jaihind/jammu-kashmir-lse-mar-11
Then let me know whether you still believe that the Accession is a fraud.
I don’t know whether I know better than you (or anyone else!) about this issue but I remain a curious student of this matter…
P.S. I’m happy to go beyond Google links but you need to give some references rather than statements of facts..
There are lot of writers who have written about this issue in past, if you really want to know what exactly was the resolution for Kashmir in the year 1947 by the ruler, you should check the memorandum passed by the British Ruler which is with India and see it says, The people of princely state Jammu and Kashmir should be given an option to be with India, Pakistan or Independent.
And then there is political scam which makes some leader of Kashmir to sign an accession of joining Jammu and Kashmir with India without consulting people… Very Good, is this democracy???
And for your information, the slideshow you sent me the link of, it says, “Pakistani Army attached Kashmir”. I don’t support Pakistan.. Don’t misunderstand me. But do you know why did that war happen which resulted Jammu and Kashmir to divide into two pieces?
If you don’t know, read Truth Of Kashmir by Mr. PremNath Bazaz, you will realize. For your information, in the year 1947 Dogra Forces killed 5 Lakh Kashmiris in Poonch, that is when few Kashmiris rushed away from Poonch where 48 villages were burnt in a day( Can you imagine this) and reached Pakistan for help. Then the people who starting fighting back Dogra forces were called Infiltrators (Militants etc) and India got a reason to occupy the Jammu and Kashmir so called For Security Reasons of India. Since then it is been fuelled on and off by people concerned…
I don’t need to prove you anything, I strongly believe that the awareness about the reality of Jammu and Kashmir is must.
@Tiger: I have read a LOT on this issue (& I don’t mean just google links). The fact that there are 100 posts under this category is an indication of that.
The option of independence that you mention was superceded by the resolution of Jan 1950 (pl see the slides in the link I provided in my comment above).
And I have no idea of what political scam you are talking about: “And then there is political scam which makes some leader of Kashmir to sign an accession of joining Jammu and Kashmir with India without consulting people…”
I have not read Sh Bazaz’a book (is the book you are talking about the “Bitter Truth of Kashmir”?) but I will look for it. If you have a link/more details, happy to see them too..
I do not buy your argument that people who came from Pakistan to “help” the Kashmiris were “..called Infiltrators (Militants) etc“. It is well documented that Pakistani Army irregulars were part of the organised attack.
As for India “occupying” J&K, you may want to read this post https://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/01/10/chomsky-kashmir/ (and comment there).
In general, pl support your comments/remarks with as much references as possible, otherwise they do not add much to the debate. Thanks
1). The people who’s relatives died there in front of them in 1947 war between India and Pakistan and the people who are from the same place know better than you, your documents and your articles.
2). As I mentioned earlier, that I don’t need to prove anything to you. Regarding the “Political Scam”, you will never understand it, because it may be against you in some or other way.
Do you know who was king in Jammu and Kashmir during the mass killings in Poonch District in the year 1947 September???
Do you know why was a Kashmiri Leader Sheikh Abdullah in Indian Prison for years???
If you do not have answer to the reason of mass killings of Kashmiri people in the year 1947 September, I would suggest you to stop discussing this topic.
@Tiger: This appears to be going down the route of “I know better because I say so”!
Re. your specific points,
1] Thousands of people die during wars. That does not meant eye-witness accounts are the only/sole/most reliable basis on which to form opinions. Do you agree with this?
2] If you do not wish to prove your statements – or base them on references, evidence, facts, they are merely your opinions and not a good basis for discussion.
3] You seem to have already made up your mind re. my ability/capability to understand – again, not a great basis for a debate (refer “…you will never understand it, because it may be against you in some or other way.”
4] As for “..who was king in Jammu and Kashmir..”, yes, I do know (as would anyone who has read some history or has access ot a library or internet), what is the point?
As for “I would suggest you to stop discussing this topic.“, are you seriously telling me that you can come here on my blog and ask me to stop a discussion?! I did not invite you here – you left a comment, I responded.
The decision to discuss – or not – is mine. You can of course stop commenting anytime you want – I cannot and will not force you (or anyone else, for that matter). And just in case, you have forgotten, this is a personal blog.
I don’t want you to stop this blog or the discussion on this blog or stop the blogging itself, I mean STOP DICUSSING THIS TOPIC WITH ME, IF YOU CAN NOT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
For your information, I DO NOT have rights to stop you spreading or discussing such topics.
I know people die in wars, but there is a difference, WAR STARTED ONLY AFTER PEOPLE WERE KILLED. You shouldn’t forget this.