Looting, Clashes, Sec 144, Flag March: The Curious Incident in Deganga
Most of you reading this may have never heard of Deganga before…It is a small town on the banks of Bidyadhari (Vidhyadhari) river in Barasat Lok Sabha constituency. Courtesy Wikipedia, I learnt that the river was a major navigation route in earlier times and had a major port along its banks from the Mauryan era. However, history is not the reason I am writing this post about Deganga. Over the last two days, I got various emails on “looting and clashes between two communities” in this town which prompted me to dig for more information. The first report was from Hindu Samhati.It talked about a mob that…
…looted and ransacked many Hindu shops and Hindu temples, severely beat up many Hindus, torched 4 public buses. Shani Temple of Kartickpur and Kali Temple of Deganga Biplabi Colony desecrated and ransacked by the rioting Muslims.
Worryingly, it also mentioned that a police officer was seriously while trying to control the mob. The Samhati bloggers reported that…
…the dispute started when some Muslims started to dig the passage of a Durga Temple in Chattal Pally village which is situated just beside the Deganga Police Station. This Durga Temple is at least 25 year old.
…When Hindus objected the digging of the Temple passage, Muslims gathered there in large number and started mayhem (sic).
…(By afternoon large contingent of police and RAF took position. Defying their presence, Muslims gathered in large number in the Deganga Mosque and started looting and destroying the Hindu shops, not in Chattal Pally, but in the big markets of Beliaghata, Deganga and Kartickpur.
Deganga is part of the North 24 Parganas district – which had seen a massive influx of refugees post 1971 – and is close to the border. It is also one of the areas whose demography is believed to have changed in more recent times due to illegal infiltration from across the border. I was curious to find out what had really happened.
Image courtesy: Google Maps (via Hindu Samhati)
The “clashes between two communities“: Until late evening yesterday (7th September), there was not much that was being reported on the happenings. I continued to get emails and a few of you posted comments on the site. This morning there was more…including mention of one person dead and several injured, looting and large-scale rioting. But curiously there were several inconsistencies..not just amongst the different reports but within the same news-group too.
The HT news-story, quoting PTI mentioned that:
Clashes broke out….on the issue of taking out a procession in front of a place of worship and later spread to other areas…
It also mentioned that “…several places of worship were desecrated following clashes between two groups“. The Times of India report (filed at 02.44am IST on 8th September) was remarkably bland, simply mentioning that:
…violence erupted around 8.30pm on Monday over a local issue...
It quoted a police official as saying, “Some criminals took advantage of the situation and entered houses in an attempt to loot valuables”. Another report filed at 0522am IST was more forthcoming:
The flare-up at Deganga was sparked by a stray comment when a religious procession was passing by a disputed plot in an area with mixed demography.
It reported the number of injured at 30 and noted that the “last time the Army was out in Bengal was when rioting broke out in parts of Kolkata over the writings of Taslima Nasreen in November 2007″. The Hindu report (by Raktima Bose) quoted a senior district official as saying that:
…the setting up of a makeshift structure along the boundary wall of the Deganga burial ground triggered the clashes
It quoted DIG Siddh Nath Gupta (Presidency Range): “More than 40 shops and houses were ransacked and set afire. Two trucks and a bus were also set ablaze“. The report also mentioned the death of one person. The Pioneer report on the clashes mentioned:
…clashes started around 11 pm on Monday and continued intermittently till Tuesday morning when members of one community started digging the pathway leading to a Durga temple at Chattal Pally village in Deganga police station
It also mentioned that
Some people reportedly led by local ruffians…attacked shops selectively and ransacked a couple of religious places
Two temples of Kartickpur and Deganga Biplabi colony were desecrated by the mob, sources said. “When we protested, they chased us with swords and hurled bombs. The police intervened but were hopelessly outnumbered,†Anil, a local who was also injured in the clashes, said.
An update from Hindu Samhati mentioned that:
Today morning Muslims destroyed Khejurdanga Durgamandap, Changdana Shiv Temple, Kartickpur Kali Temple and several other Hindu temples.
The Hindu shops of Beliaghata market have been looted.
A comment (by “annoy”) left on the post mentioned that:
…the hindus were trying to dig a passage of 22 feet of which they were ordered only 11 feet. The width of the passage was sanctioned 11 and not 22 was because ‘The sacred graveyard ‘ of the muslims fell in the way….This led to communal disputes in deganga.
I have now spent almost two hours going through the various reports. Unfortunately, I have ended up with more questions than answers.
- What was the real trigger for the violence that was witnessed on Monday night and Tuesday in Deganga?
- Is there an underlying dispute about land/property that has not been reported?
- Is there any link between illegal inflitration and these incidents (Deganga is a border town)?
- Why was the Army called? Was it because the adminstration was suprised by the ferocity of the violence? or did not have enough reinforcements? or something else?
I am sure there are probably other questions…But I wonder if we will really know what happened in Deganga…No wonder trust in mainstream media continues to drop (and now you know why I dont waste my time on news-papers anymore!). In the meantime, I hope peace prevails and the culprits are brought to book. Please do leave comments and links here if you have any additional information – particularly readers from Bengal and/or those who can read/write Bengali may have access to Bengali newspaper sites which might have more information)
Somewhat Related: The not so “communal” clashes in Assam
12 days of curfew, a 149-year-old tradition and some “unruly elementsâ€
UPDATE (not verified):
I received this in an email a few hours ago. It is apparently an account of a phone call with Trinamool Congress MLA. Sh Jyotipriya Mallick (Deganga falls under his Gaighata assembly constituency).
UPDATE – II: Removed personal phone number and details to protect privacy (sorry, I should have spotted this earlier).
Echoes of Bareilly in how the media will brush this under the carpet, and won’t have the courage to hold the perpetrators accountable for fear of hurting sentiments.
Oh, fresh violence erupted again. To answer your questions,
1. It was related to the place selected for Durgapuja in the area and some place was supposed to be dug in that area. It is not clear who was supposed to dig it: Hindu or Muslim.
2. Not sure.
3. You bet. The muslim population of the entire district (N 24 Parganas) and it’s neighboring district (S 24 Parganas) is full with people from Bangladesh. Both districts have more than 40 percent Muslim population. Another district Murshidabad right now has 64% Muslim population and there is a recent demand that certain seculars want to change it’s name to Islamabad. Those who deny demographic invasion should better go to these districts, walk around few villages. It is all beard and “lungi” with distinct east-Bengali accent.
4. Army was called because a sub-inspector was seriously injured and after that police did not want to face the mob. It is almost a crime to send a group of police-men who are untrained and unprepared to handle this situation. After army came, within three hours they had to shoot five (some say seven) persons to keep the mob-violence under check.
The violence was organized by a TMC MP from certain minority community. If this is the trailer, I shudder to think what would happen when TMC comes to power next year. Like Kashmiris in the nineties we may end up in tents.
“KHEJURDANGA KARMAKAR PARA” VILLAGE JUST NOW BURNT. IT IS 2 KM. INSIDE FROM THE MAIN ROAD. ARMY IS NOT GOING THERE. WOMEN ARE SCARED.
NO RESPITE DESPITE ARMY PRESENCE. TODAY MORNING AGAIN MUSLIMS ARE ATTACKING DIFFERENT HINDU VILLAGES AROUND KARTICKPUR AWAY FROM THE MAIN ROAD.
HINDU WOMEN ARE FLEEING FROM BISWANATHPUR TOWARDS KARTICKPUR AS A LARGE MUSLIM MOB IS PROCEEDING FROM DOGACHHIA SIDE. POLICE IS TOTALLY HELPLESS. SEVERAL RAF PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN SEVERELY BEATEN UP BY THE MUSLIMS. EVEN ARMY IS UNABLE TO STOP THE MUSLIM MOB.
“KHEJURDANGA KARMAKAR PARA” VILLAGE JUST NOW BURNT. IT IS 2 KM. INSIDE FROM THE MAIN ROAD. ARMY IS NOT GOING THERE.
WOMEN ARE SCARED. ARMY IS NOT GOING INSIDE AS THEIR NUMBER IS TOO SMALL, ONLY ABOUT 200
SITUATION EXTREMELY WORSE. HINDUS ARE WAITING FOR MASSACRE. ALL SIDES ARE BLOCKED BY THE MUSLIMS. NO ROUTE TO ESCAPE.
Some more info from Haindava Keralam website
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=12073&SKIN=B
Isn’t communist West Bangal supposed to be a haven of communal harmony and peace?
UPDATE(based on a call with an eyewitness; not verified independently):
The area is still tense. Police presence is visible but they appear to be under instructions to not use force. There is still a palpable threat of violence.
There have been reports of villages near Kartickpur being attacked and people (including women and children) are reportedly fleeing from Biswanathpur towards Kartickpur.
There is alo an unconfirmed report of Khejurdanga Karmakarpara (village) being burnt and a police jeep being set on fire. A police officer has also reportedly been assaulted (and injured) with a sword.
Some shops on KB Basu Road in Barasat (district headquarters) have reportedly been looted. Asim Dasgupta (WB Finance Minister) has been to the affected area today.
Communist and Dalit sources, from whom I requested information, appear to be giving a spin on the events (the exact nature and sequence of which I gleaned no information)as follows- ‘Congress High Command is pursuing a strategy of sidelining Dalit, S.T and E.B.C to pursue a Muslim vs. Forward Caste strategy. The idea is that physical defeat of Forwards will sway Dalit and E.B.C towards Congress.’
The fear is that a purely local incident will be instrumentalized at the highest Political levels and serve as a template for more of the same.
Communist sources use the term passive-adventurism- i.e. a ‘legacy’ administration with no grass-roots contact instrumentalizing localized incidents after the fact so as to project a false narrative onto the National Stage- especially with a view to preclude C.P.I (M) strategic co-option of National/Wealth Creation type agendas- such as have served their peers well in other countries. In other words, C.P.I’s historic mistake w.r.t Muslim League is being used to strangle it in its own coils for a purpose purely tactical w.r.t the ruling clique at the Center.
I will be watching this blog post with great interest. The picture is not clear to me at all- but the potential for mischief to the country is plain for all to see.
Thanks for the heads up.
vivek,
What are these sources, may we ask?
@Sid- These are not grass-roots sources but Metro based Academic/Journo second order sources- i.e this is ‘spin’ not facts.
I don’t know what is actually going on.
The problem is that, it appears that currently, without ever bothering to establish the facts on the ground, nevertheless, the Center is prepared to passively instrumentalize and orchestrate a highly divisive narrative to be projected at the National level.
Here the story would be- Muslims can beat up Forwards with impunity. The signal is for S.T, E.B.C and Dalits that they should abandon people like Mayawati for Congress because it has these new ‘super bashing types’- viz. Muslims and Naxals- under its wing. In any case, if Forwards are such gutless weaklings why is Mayawati even bothering with them?
Similarly, re. C.P.I (M), there is a measure of regret that the party refused the P.M position for Jyoti Basu thus handicapping itself in projecting itself as a Nationalist party- in the manner that other succesful Communist Ruling parties have done. The ‘passive-adventurism’ of Congress High Command w.r.t Trinamool/Naxal nexus is seen as the destabilizing element here.
Divisions at Cabinet level- for eg. w.r.t Enemy property ordinance- further advances the notion that, at present, we do not have a Govt. committed to National interest but ‘passive-adventurist’ seeking to politically instrumentalize disorder for short term tactical gains.
As I say, I don’t have any grass roots perspective or info. That’s why I’m following this with interest.
Well, this is a good news, finally someone in Delhi knows that there is trouble. But from knowledge to action is a long and less-traveled road for our government:
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4358937
Well, I have some ground level info.
What I knew was that the demographic advantage was used in certain districts of West Bengal to see the extent to which Hindu patience can be pushed. For example, last year in certain districts, certain community objected to Kali Puja during dipavali. Two/three months back, renaming of one Muslim majority district was proposed. The proposed new name? Islamabad. Just two examples and I have a full collection.
Apparently, the early signs were encouraging so a full scale Godhra like atrocity is attempted. As it can be gathered from “respectable” media, the machinery was ready to suppress it like they did in case of Bareli. And to a small extent they are successful.
Your theory is valid only when one assumes Congress is a very efficient party. The truth is that it is really not very good at execution and organization. It is the Gandhi name that works for them, that is their only savior and they know it.
@Sid,
Sir, I applaud your optimism and faith in the Center. But is there really a center to that Center? Does it cohere? Can it take action helpful for the country? Or, will some foolish notion of maximising electoral gains for the Crown Prince and to defeat that evil Rakshasi, that Putana, who is contesting his claim to be
1) a Brahmin
2) the Krishna of the Dalit Gopis such that they should all commit infidelity against their own husbands- purely notionally, purely notionally- and just basically die and go to Heaven and stop questioning the dynasty’s right to ‘protect’ Dalits.
I appreciate your loyalty and faith in your Prime Minister. Sir, I bow to none in my respect for people like Manmohanji or, former President, Kalam Sahib- or even Chidambaram, whose antecedents are well known to me, BUT WHO has won elections AND AS SUCH is a man to be respected because he wants to deal with real problems- not wait-and-see in case some tactical advantage for the dynasty crops up. BUT Chidambaram has become Public Enemy Number One- though he is a genuine Leftist- because of a perception that he is just a dehati, dhoti wearing, patriot with a posh accent.
I hope, Sir, your vision of events and confidence in the Union Govt is justified. BTW are you a native Bengali speaker? If so it might be enlightening to get your take on the Bangladeshi side of these unfolding events from Twitter and so on.
Many thanks
@ Sid, sorry, I don’t want to antagonise you. I agree 100% that the clique at the Center don’t know anything and can’t organize anything. The problem is they can project a story line onto the Cinema Screen of the Nation’s consciousness.
For very bad reasons, it seems, this is happening. Sir, who will suffer most? Those who believe that they alone are strong and that they can attack with impunity. Sooner or later they will be crushed. It is not in their interest. The Center should not play with people’s lives like this. The thinking is- our corruption has gone beyond the maryada limit of the Nation- so we should go back to our U.S.P- viz. we alone stand above communalism and other such nonsense.
I say that any democratically elected government should firstly govern- Advani Sahib is’nt trying to bring them down, but down to earth (if I understand you correctly).
Quite right. Whichever party is in power- let them advance the country’s interest. If a minority attacks a majority there will be a backlash. It is not in their interest.
Narendra Modi put an end to a cycle of terrorism/riots in Gujarat- which started or was politically instrumentalized in ’69- within one year of taking office. Modi has to answer to the people. The clique at the Center don’t have to answer to anyone. That is why democracy is failing.
Many thanks in any case for your enlightening comments.
vivek,
if you read the other threads, I am among the harsh critics of dynasty and dynastic policies of Congress and BJP (yes, the disease affects them too).
Yet, we have got a situation where people are getting butchered at the ground level. Seculars would not scream until their own gets butchered and our famous Bengali socialist liberal intellectuals would not say anything politically incorrect. We must resort to any and every help we can get and make an effort to extract any assistance from this system however broken it might be. Whining is not an option for me. I spent nearly all day calling, sending mail, distributing links – whichever way I could to inform more people because I do not want the current trouble to end up the way Bareli or Godhra did.
Some politically correct reporting from The Pioneer:
…Members of a particular community continued to flee their homes in hordes, local sources said, despite route marches staged by some 200-strong Army jawans. Locals fleeing towards Basirhat sub-division said members of the rival community had threatened to “clear the area by Saturdayâ€.
…Things came to a flash point when members of one community started digging the pathway leading to a Durga temple at Chattal Pally village in Deganga police station. They attacked members of the other community when the latter requested to stop the digging.
…
Though District Magistrate V Kumar and DIG SN Gupta said precautions had been taken, there was no respite for the members of a particular community, insiders said. There was, however, no fresh desecration of any temple as the administration had deployed policemen around religious places, the DM said.
Why is this political (pervese) correctness needed for any media house? Whenever any Hindu is involved in attack they do show such correctness. Communal behavior of the media and politicians will make them pay.
Jai Bharat!
Here’s the rule-book for reporting and viewing events.
1. If Muslims are victims, then their religion as well as the religion of perpetrators has to be named.
2. If Muslims are in a minority, see rule 1.
3. If Muslims are the perpetrators, then no mention of their religion is done, because it could lead to a worsening of situation.
4. If Muslims are in a majority, then any human rights abuses done by them are to be ignored. See no evil.
And through such white-washing and brushing the dirt under the carpet (that carpet must be sitting on a mountain by now), the illusion that Islam is a “religion of peace” and any attacks on, and criticism of it are only the works of bigoted, hateful anti-Muslims, and not because of appeasement, or an end to limit of tolerance (after all, Hindus have to act like that rishi who continued to help the scorpion in spite of repeatedly being stung), or self-defense, is steadfastly maintained. And drunk as Kool-Aid by “liberals” who like to earn their “liberal” credentials by actively participating in this inequality (while chanting that all are equal) and giving the “religion of peace” a free pass. Thus the downward spiral continues, with more lashing out by “Hindutva fascists” as a response to hypocrisy of liberals, and the liberals pointing fingers at them (our own Bhagwad Jal Park is an excellent example of espousing this kind of thinking), while ignoring the very real danger which continues to spread unchecked and unchallenged.
Add to the mix the unhealthy fetish with non-violence and peace-at-any-costs – though applied only to the majority and to Hindus – and you have the idiotic situation as it exists today.
There’s one more rule.
5. If Muslims are victims, then theirs is a monolithic community. If Muslims are the perpetrators, then it is only a fringe element that is radical/extremist, and the community is anything but monolith, with so many differences and diversity (this is where Sufis are mentioned).
This last rule allows a Muslim in India – abetted by liberals – to “feel” for Palestinian Muslims (it’s one big community), while at the same time, washing hands of any terrorist acts done by fellow-Muslims where non-Muslims are victims.
@Kaffir: Well said…I am reminded of Acorn’s recent tweet: Secular governments must realise that the price of political correctness is increased bigotry in society.
Bengali Conundrum
West Bengal had some illustrial leaders like S.C.Bose, Sri Aurobindo and ofcourse the peerless Sri Ramakrishna, Sarada Devi and Vivekananda. It was the land of intellectual giants, now it is the land of selfserving dwarfs. Now it appears like the Bong semi literates have internalized cowardice as tolerance.
Worse, their contempt for those who offer resistance is unbelievable. Here I am not talking about Sid, Kanchan Gupta, Chandan Mitra or others like them.
I am talking about the supposed ‘intelligentsia’ that
dominate the TV/Media circuit. Jyoti Basu, who escaped from East Bengal had utter contempt for Hindus and allowed massive lebensraum. The current problem is precisely because of East Bengali Muslim lebensraum. I could never understand how Bengalis tolerated this guy.
From the news reports it is said that Deganga is just 35 km from Kolkata. Does anyone here know what other Bengali Hindus think? Do they realise that they are next in line? Are they remotely worried that they might end up like the Kashmiri Pandits? What happened to self preservation instinct of Bong Hindus?
History is repeating itself, yet again. Check out where actor Ashok Kumar’s family is from and what happened to their ancestral house. God alone knows whether any of the leaders from anywhere (including Bengal) did anything about it.
For all the erudition of ‘thinkers’ like Chandan Mitra and Gupta and Dasgupta, they have not identified what the real problem is nor what the real solution is.
These incidences are not reported factually because of sheer fear. Whatever any media policy, which reporter or newsreader will like to incur the wrath of gun and sword wielders?
The bottomline is that there is no proper organisation to resist this. How much can individuals resist swords and guns? The bloggers and comment writers are typing furiously like headless chickens. The question is, are they really thinking about any answers?
There is a small team of Army (around 200 men) which is deployed in Deganga. Deganga is under control but the trouble reached Barasat ( a city close to Kolkata). Now people in North Dumdum (airport area in Kolkata) are panicking. The latest news? Jihadis declared they want to enjoy some kaffir women in the night. I am not going to speculate on the nature of enjoyment.
Throughout this fiasco, there is a lot of voice in internet who criticised jihadi action. Did you hear any Muslim “intellectual” or “leader” displayed anxiety? No. Do you know? Why? They are waiting for a reason on which they can put the blame. This is the nature of patriotism from this community.
I do believe that situation would be under control fast. But this will not be last. Expect increasingly bigger attacks on our province. The time-bomb of demographic invasion has finally been triggered.
What is that secular theory about “This is not real Islam….” again? Those who want to explain, please go and explain this to the families of Barasat and Basirhat who do not know what will happen to them tomorrow. In case you need the transport fair, I will handle that. I am inviting any great secular to go to that area and explain “secularism” NOW !!!
Malavika,
Those “intelligensia” can not be accused of having intelligence or common sense. Why would they even care to talk for Hindus? They have unlinked themselves from our society, they no longer have any stake in our collective fate. If India becomes an Islamic republic tomorrow, they will easily relocate themselves, they have that kind of money and contacts. Why would they be bothered? When Sagarika Ghosh commented about “Internet Hindu”, she was right from her angle. She is apparently part of a society where calling yourself Hindu is a derogatory reference, so she did not think anybody could call himself/herself Hindu in real life, thus persons must be posing as Hindu in internet.
Have you seen this.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/09/phyllis-chesler-hindu-human-rights-muslim-islamic-terrorism/
The Indian Government is not bothered because according to them the First Claim on all resources, including the life and property of hindus, belong to Muslims.
Report from The Pioneer with more details: Bengal riot victims live in fear, anxiety by Saugar Sengupta in Deganga
Illegal immigrant has now reaching to the interior of bengal, like the places of Bankura, West midnapur and purulia. Then we can easily think about the situation of east side of hoogly river.
Ordinary bengali hindu people are well aware the problem of demographic changes. When I visited my home town last month, I interacted with friends and ordinary people on this burning issue and they are very much concerned. But there are no party and organization to take this issue. At present, people want to get rid off CPIM, who has destroyed the bengal. They do not also like Mamata’s minority appeasment.
It is right time to make inroad for a pro-hindu party. But people have lost his faith on the leaders of the pro-hindu party in bengal. Maximmum of them are retired people having no energy and enthuism to build the party.
3 Hindus butchered to death in Arni, Yavtmal
Before this episode begun another had already taken shape. (I do not know whether the following act was a part of fanatic islamic activity or just muslim being the culprit)
“A group of men hanging around a nearby dargah who were into illegal sand business is suspected to be behind the attack”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/6489602.cms?prtpage=1#ixzz0yayu6ctF
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=12046&SKIN=B
http://www.bombayblasts.com/tension-in-vidarbha-town-after-murder-of-three-priests/
http://vidarbhatimes.blogspot.com/2010/09/priest-two-others-killed-in-temple.html
Jai Bharat!
Extract from an email mentioning Prabhu Chawla (India Today)’s response to Deganga (emphasis added):
Why are you silent & bias against the atrocity on Hindu at Deganga in 24 Parganas, West Bengal?
September 9, 2010
Prabhu Chawla Answers…
My apologies if I have heard the name of the place. If it was so serious it would have come to our notice. Why is the BJP not making it an issue?
Please send more details.
Asked by Debraj
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Do you think a pro hindu party will get even elected nationally or locally, the demographics being what they are? I’ve got to admit, I am secular (bigot, right sid?), but I think it is indeed time you elected a pro hindu party, who will have the guts deport illegals, close saudi maddrassas. And cut off saudi funding (and perhaps all foreign religious funding, also attempting to prevent it being laundered in subsequently). And do all of this on a nationwide scale.
There is a clear casual link between the popping up of these maddrasas, and islamic extremism. This is just an empirical fact.
I think if you do this, saudi arabia will be pissed off, and make you pay through the nose for oil.But I’d rather be poor and free, than have a burgeoning economy and an islamised society…….
What I really think is that India needs a Putin type figure. I know he’s not ideal, but at least he gets the job done.
Bah! But no one’s got the guts.
I feel sick to my stomach seeing this. People in New Delhi or New York or Oxbridge think they can go on increasing their status by making those, less fortunate, of their own community, back in India, pay for their ticket of admission to the ‘holier than thou’ Circus which the British and their racist cousins in America created, Katherine Mayo (typical American) laid the foundation for ‘Prof.’ Wendy O’Doniger Flaherty (who occupies the Mircea Eliade chair- that bastard who boasted of having violated the honour of the twelve or thirteen year old Bengali Hindu girl- whose WEALTHY, ENGINEER, father had INVITED him to stay and WHO WAS LOOKING AFTER HIM- this racist idiot- see ‘Bengal Nights’- who was a total fraud, and Fascist too boot, is nevertheless the namesake of the Professorship the ex- dancer and all round Freudian nut job, represented by Wendy O’Doniger.)
Anybody is welcome to burn the Bhagvad Gita. I don’t mind. But when that book is misinterpreted BY FALSE SCHOLARS to label only Hindus as habitual evil-doers and Criminals- WHO SHOULD BE ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OFF THE MAP- then, Sir, please let me tell you what Muslims say about it- viz.NO! WE DON’T WANT THIS!
Those gunning for Hinduism are gunning for destruction of Social fabric and possibility of very rapid socio-economic development. Hindus are seen as weaker so kill them off first. But Muslims are next in the firing line.
Why are so called educated Hindus from elite backgrounds- or why, for that matter, is the newspaper called ‘the Hindu’- silent about all this?
Belief in Marxism? No, sorry, nobody believes that anymore- least of all CPI (M).
Narendra Modi could stop the cycle of terrorism/riots within ONE YEAR OF BECOMING C.M.
Please notice he is neither somebody’s son nor so called ‘Froward Caste’.
Bengal needs a Modi.
If Hindus were really cowardly and unable to attack- then I’d say, okay maybe this benefits the ‘minority’.
Despite Gandhi/Nehru ideology and Barkha Dutt type perennial ‘guilt trip’- Hindus are very much able and willing to defend themselves.
Chidambaram and Obama- both of whom I respect- are losing touch with their own class, their own people.
Durga Ma, is MOTHER OF ALL! She will never make distinction on base of caste or creed. But, her reaction- not revenge- but cleansing ‘vishodhana’- should also be forestalled by responsible people- irrespective of sect.
Vivek
PLEASE CREATE A BLOG POST ON THIS.
Fox News – One of the most popular news channels in the US has run a detailed article on Hindu Samhati’s work and the Islamic agression in Bengal. Please circulate widely.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/09/phyllis-chesler-hindu-human-rights-muslim-islamic-terrorism/
Muslim Persecution of Hindus In India — The Story You Won’t See In the Western Mainstream Media
@Shantanu: not sure where to put this news. Because the news was published last month and the saamana office burnt 2-3 days before. So there is some connection between what is happening @Debanga, what happened in Yavtmal and Beed, Maharashtra.
I smell some conspiracy.
Daily Saamama office set on fire for printing Fatwa by …….. ( :X ) I should not name their community
Sulemanmiyan from Uttar Pradesh had made an appeal to one community through ‘Paigam Islam’ organisation issuing a ‘fatwa’. In this ‘fatwa’ various ways in which Hindu girls could be drawn in the ‘love-net’ were advised. The news regarding the ‘fatwa’ was first published in ‘Danik Saamna’. One person (from a community) acted as per the ‘fatwa’ and drew a Hindu girl in his ‘love-net’. That news was also published by ‘Saamna’. Paper-cuttings of this news were displayed by few Hindu youth in Balbheem College for creating awareness among the students. This enraged one community and they intimidated the Principal of the college and created uproar. The news about the pandemonium was also published by ‘Saamna’.
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/10055.html
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=12084&SKIN=B
http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/attempt-to-set-afire-saamna-newspaper-office-in-beed/300721.html
Jai BHarat!
@VOP
Excellent writeup.
We need to inform Tapan Ghosh that we are with him.
Jai Bharat!
Sandeep,
Ghosh’s oraganization is Hindu Samahiti and they have a blog.
Shantanu,
you have an un-expected publicity from liberal quarter, in a twisted way. A Bengali daily has claimed that your site along with several ones from far away place like America served up rumor of communal nature about Deganga. Here is a screenshot:
http://hinduexistence.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/dainik-statesman-fa.jpg
You probably can not read Bengali, here is the description :
Heading: Repercussion In The Media
http://hinduexistence.wordpress.com/2010/09/
Thanks Sid!
I wish the journalist/sub-editor had provided the URL to this article so that readers could have judged for themselves whether the post was …provocative and partisan in nature and whether it had …targeted the MP of the affected area along with the other TMC leaders.
Anyways, no publicity is *bad* publicity, I guess 🙂
@repo man (#29),
I’ve got to admit, I am secular (bigot, right sid?),Please refer to my comment on #23, para 4. If you are secular, would you kindly go to Barasat and explain the principle of secularism, please? It seems we Bengalis are missing our regular dose of secularism, peace and love.
Now, if you can not do that, then I invite you to answer a puzzle I raised here: https://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/07/19/myth-of-hindutva-terror/
comment #147, para 3. I would not need to if you did not try to give the impression that I have called you a “bigot” secular. This is a weekend I have to spend alone, so I have ample time to engage on internet.
Bigot is a label. I do not have time for labeling, it is the full time job for lib-tards (liberal-retarded). If this gives you any consolation, I am at the receiving end of labeling in twenty different forums/blogs over last three years and being branded once more would not make a difference. Go ahead.
Here is the root problem. Read the case. Read the judgement.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Name-immaterial-practice-is-what-counts-for-being-a-Hindu-SC/articleshow/6526489.cms
If you do not subscribe to a well defined religion that has strong organisations to fight for the wellbeing and the rights of your clan, you do not have much hope of fighting any case.
Before you rush to write rejoinders, answer the following question. Which side won in the courst case?
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B Shantanu @ 1.
The reporting in at least two blogs like http://hinduexistence.wordpress.com and http://bengalspotlight.blogspot.com , primarily gave the wrong information about Mr. Joytipriyo Mallick (TMC) as the MLA of Deganga area. I contacted one of the above bloggers to rectify the information as Dr. Mortaza Hossian (AIFB) is the MLA of the area. The bloggers promptly rectified it and posted correctly as below :
“Today, when contacted with Mr. Jyotiprio Mallik,(+919433446800) State leader and in-charge of TMC of North 24 Pgs District, he told the HE correspondent that Military has been deployed in the area just now about 11.40 am and gradually taking over the control. So far 7 persons are killed in the firing of Military contingent. Mr. Mallik expressed his utter astonishment by the severity of the incident of erecting a disputed fence between Hindu and Muslim holdings. He also told that he was also fearing to enter the area of open swords and fire arms in the hands of fundamentalists. He told that the overall communal situation of the area is very bad now. Md. Mortaza Hossian is the M.L.A. of Deganga Assembly Constituency. As the M.P. and M.L.A. are both of Muslim community, the minority Hindus in this area always face the persecution of majority Muslim here without any redressal.”
As about the casualty so far, I have been informed by a blogger personally that it was incorporated in the first lead news on the basis of a mobile conversation between a human rights worker, (trying then to reach Deganga and detained by a mob at some place before Deganga) and Mr. Mallick after the very start of firing to stop the violence there. Mr. Mallick might have reported the matter on guess and the blogger published it without further verification. I think it was made out of instant tension, fear and hasty without any malafide intention.
See : http://hinduexistence.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/violence-checked-in-deganga-after-further-deployment-of-army-troop-hindus-protested-at-various-places-over-deganga-issue/
Though the blogger rectified the number of casualty in their latest posting as 1 not 7, the updates published in those blog-sites including Satyameva Jayate helped all concerned to be alert in that situation. And consequently, the persecuted Hindus there chanced to get rid of a complete catastrophe.
@X,
Thanks for the link. The entire idea of a reserved constituency is a stupid concept itself. Then some smart person went ahead and played the system. Big deal !!!
What is disturbing is that that judgement might be used as an example in future and some Hindu may be denied his/her basic rights.
the moment a person converts his claim to sc/st is over,even if he reconverts.the judgement is flawed.
Well sid, I have got to admit, it is a conundrum which this “retard ” cannot solve. Well the ideal is that intolerant ideologies don’t pervade. I don’t know where you draw the line, at what point do you say, this ideology is now too extreme, we can’t allow it. Its a conundrum that goes back to ancient Greece and the old social democracy.
However, when one particular group of people continually commits transgressions, preaches hatred, I think you have some sort of precedent that can be used justify counter measures within a secular framework.
Yes I don’t really have the solution I admit. Hmmm……in this particular case I think, is cut off Saudi Arabia’s oil funds. Wont solve everything but it’ll help.
Now the Indian hindus must have to stop cry. These vogus hindus are worshipper of so many deities & are gaining the behaviour of the rats. They forget the weapons hold by the deities. They have forgotten the message of Gita, `Hotoo wa prapsyase swargam jitwa ea viikshyose mohiim’. This phrase has been successfully used by the infiltrator muslims in this language `Morle Shahid, banchle Gazi’. These Hindus should wear bangles in their hands who can’t resist such burbery. At first, all the bustard political leaders should be heavily punished foir their hypocracy.
@repo man (#42),
Multiple ideologies do not dominate at the same time. In your case, you have an dominant ideology called secularism. Secularism is a recent fashion, the in-thing today, it dominates the thinking of educated circles. It’s domination is so extreme that even those who felt it’s limitation do not feel it safe to condemn it, they take the route of identifying other secular as pseudo-secular i.e. blame the experimenter if experiment fails to prove the theory. They forget that secularism worked at a time in western Europe and America when religious minorities are less than 1% of the population (I am talking about religions, not different sects in Christianity). It never worked in countries that has more than 5% Muslim population.
For example, Turkey tried to stay secular for close to 80 years under a forceful army-based secular bulwark. Did that help install an open-minded secular democratic party without army support in recent years? Not at all. The country is slowly walking towards a theology based state in an effort to establish “proper democracy” (ironically, it is secular EU that required them to).
Secularism is an ideology that imagine itself carrying the huge responsibility of promoting already existing often-conflicting ideologies and concepts in the society. In case of religion, it means that followers are supposed to accept secularism as the ultimate truth first (which would enable them to accept the ideologies that their religion does not permit them to) and then accept the religious truth second. In the educated circles, any challenge to this idea result in serious condemnation, the messenger gets burnt, the message gets thrown in the dustbin by the cult of tolerance. This gives me the feeling that secularism or the secular who are it’s cheerleaders or pseudo-secular (if you will) are as intolerant as Wahabbists or Evangelicals who regularly remove demons from people in the TV show.
The answer is not a new round of stronger or “proper” secularism, it would be promoting the religion that is not hostile to other ideologies or new ideas.
The particular question that I asked you I asked in several places in the internet. I can not imagine this to be original, this is common sense. Yet, I have seen various reactions from people:
A. stopping discussion after asking this question
B. Get labeling (bigot, hypocrite, communal, RSS supporter, hateful to name a few)
C. “I may not have an answer at the moment, but secularism is true”. (I believe you tried to pass something that is similar in spirit)
I no longer hope that anybody would answer this question in a meaningful way. So I can stop my “hateful”, “bigotic”, “typical right-winger” speech and concentrate my efforts towards strengthening Hindu social organisation that is helping the riot victims. But, there will come a time when this dishonesty would come and bite the rear end of the cult of tolerance.
Do read Kanchan Gupta on “Time for Hindus to Leave or to Perish”.
And at least one friend mentioned that the violence in Deganga reminded her of the Direct Action Day and Kolkata in August 1946.
Shantanu said:
“And at least one friend mentioned that the violence in Deganga reminded her of the Direct Action Day and Kolkata in August 1946”
I am surprised that Bongs have any cultural or civilizational memories. Common sense says that a percentage of Bengali Hindus have been vitims of genocide and ethnic cleansing. In spite of all that they were oblivious to lebensraum by Bangladeshi Muslims. Why is it that they were voting against their interests?
Kanchan Gupta is asking the wrong question, the question is not if Hindus should leave or die The question should be “How should the Hindu commuity fight back?”. That 18 year old girl quoted in Chandan Mitra’s article was absolutely right when she asked:
“We came here from Bangladesh about a decade ago to escape religious persecution. Will you make us homeless again? Is there no justice, no security, in democratic India?â€
It looks like the ground reality in WB has changed for the worse for Hindu community, some of the border districts have just 30% Hindu population. Not a pretty situation for the Hindu community. I think the emphasis should be on creating safe haven strong holds for the Hindus and salvaging as many districts as possible.
If Hindus in other areas are demonstrating on behalf of Deganga Hindus as reported in Hindu existence there is some hope for the Hindu community in WB.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/282399/Anatomy-of-a-riot-foretold.html
I have five point program for Hindus
1) Hindus must Unite first.
2) Second, bring back home Muslims and Christians or whoever went away from Hindu Dharma.
3) Third – Marry Muslim /Christian or Any Non-Hindu girls and have them adopted to Hindu Dharma.
4) Fourth – Hindus should have at least three children per family. Then only the current population of Hindus will remain.
and if you want to counter others, adopt two more children of other faith and legally bring them up as a Hindu children of yours.
5) DharmaPrachaar is very important and should be practiced by every Hindu in the world
Resolve to abide these and Hindu Problems will be re-solved.
Jai Bhavaani !!! Jai Shivaaji !!!
Please look here:
http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/853/muslims-attack-hindus-in-india
Muslims Attack Hindus in India: A Warning For the West? Part I
http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2010/09/13/muslims-attack-hindus-in-india-part-i/
According to this (http://www.dailypioneer.com/282399/Anatomy-of-a-riot-foretold.html), the people who were victims, were Hindu refugees, fleeing religious persecution in B’desh. So, was this riot between Hindu and Muslim ex-Bangladeshis (both of whom have settled in Deganga, West Bengal), or was it between Indian Muslims and Hindu refugees?
Does anyone have a clear picture of the demographics involved here, or is it all mixed up and unclear? Are all refugees from B’desh, illegal?
Kaffir,
Among the Hindus in that area, a significant numbers (but not all) are refugees who came here to escape the violent attack of Pak army in 1971. They did not return after Bangladesh was created. The communist government that came after Congress in 1977 and allowed them to settle in those areas however found an opportunity to create a bigger vote bank by bringing in more aliens. So for next three decades or so, it turned a blind eye when Muslims from Bangladesh slowly walked in and changed the demographics. So, this violence that we are talking about is an extension of the same kind of violence Muslims unleashed upon kaffirs in their dar-us-salam Bangladesh.
Hindus who migrated during 1971 today are Indian citizens and I would not be surprised to find holders of ration cards among those who took part in the violence. Debate can start on whether it was alright to give ration cards to Hindus and Muslims post-1971, but that was hardly within our control. It was speculated that most of the arms, planning and money have come through the Jihadi network that extends over the border, political protection as well as media nonchalance was guaranteed by politicians at this side.
Finally, please do not call it a riot, it is a one-sided violence, an existential threat.
My information is that this is a purely local problem of the sort that is inevitable where you have de facto open borders.
Moreover, this may get the Communists out and thus plunge W.Bengal into an endless low intensity conflict. (C.P.I. (M) cadres cast adrift by power will )use precisely the same strategy that was foundational to Trinamool.
If the West Bengalis don’t want to defend themselves against Muslims- that is their right and prerogative. However, to suggest Bengali Hindu’s- fired by patriotism- can not defeat any and every enemy is to give the lie to History.
The spirit of Bagha Jatin, like the poetry of Nazrul Islam, is an imperishable impediment to British, Pakistani and also Communist cadre, armies.
Vivek’s “purely local problem” is threatening around 42 Durga puja committees as well as some cops who wanted to help them for dire consequences if Pujas are carried out. Local media completed coloring the violence as political and nobody in the area currently knows what to do about it.
Malavika, Rajesh, Sid, VoP, Kaffir, Vivek: Thanks for sharing your thoughts…I think Deganga gave us a glimpse of what might happen if the illegal infiltration continues unabated and vote-bank dominated politics continues as usual…
I predict instances such as these will become more common over the next few years since overlooking such transgressions/violations is an easy way for politicians to slowly solidify their constituency – especially for a newly formed party…and before you realise, you have insurgency in areas which had traditionally been calm…
A similar thing happened in the Bodo tribal areas in North-East (albeit triggered by somewhat different circumstances). As long as political parties and their leaders remain incentivised to capture the last marginal vote, I am not sure what the solution is.
We can of course highlight such instances and make others aware of it…but unless political parties and their leaders “speak out”, will anything change on the ground?
Views/ thoughts welcome.
“They convert our people after giving many promises. These persons were sent to Kashmir to fight the Indian army,” says the notice distributed before the meeting of the CDU. This is what the Christian Democratic Union say about what is happening to Christians in Kerala. You can imagine then what is happening to the orphaned hindus of Kerala who are neither vote banks nor a threat to anybody. The so called majority is so much divided by caste and other factors. The political parties who can go to any depth to usurp power make sure that the hindus remain divided and marginalised. But Christians are getting aware of the threat to their followers after the chopping of hand of a professor. The full story can be read from the following link.
http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/kerala-churches-unite-over-existential-threat/208560.html
Even God cannot save the hindus opiated by an overdose of secularism.
shantanu:-“…I think Deganga gave us a glimpse of what might happen if the illegal infiltration continues unabated..”
even with the current level of infiltartion the matter is out of hand.the mindset of this population cannot be changed,and because of civilisational reasons we do not have the mental capacity to deal effectively with it.
so in the current state all things point to the obvious outcome.
@KSV,
... orphaned hindus of Kerala who are neither vote banks nor a threat to anybodyThat is the problem. Keralite Hindus, a minority group in their own land either needs to become a threat or a vote bank. Those who can not forget their caste-pride will pay it’s price in blood, rest who thinks that self-preservation is important than their high caste (or SC/ST status) can stick together. It is easy to construct a vote bank out of minorities and time is right for people in your and my own native provinces to form such.
@Sid,
Agree to your thoughts.
Please elaborate it more. So that we can chalk out a plan to scrap the caste divide in Hindus and bring forth a tough and challenging group which can become a guiding light for rest of Hindus in order to become a deciding factor.
Of course it has to be above emotions and practical to implement.
@Shantanuji,
May I request you to please open a (guide to existing) thread. How to eliminate caste bias in society and form a challenging Hindu group.
Jai Bharat!
Sandeep,
It may not be Shantanu’s responsibility. While we would appreciate Shantanu’s help/guidance in this but it is actually people from KSV’s state (assuming that he is a Keralite) and my state who should take initiatives because in our case it is more urgent. While different (but insufficient given the scope of the problem) organizations are created (I know one or two in Bengal and there is no doubt there may be one or two in Kerala too) to serve the immediate need, there is ample place to fill regarding co-operation whenever required. What do you say, KSV?
@Sid,
Agree. But Shantanu’s blog has the potential to fetch attention.
Definitely the people who are feeling more heat must initiate as mere resisting on internet is of little use. Only 6% population of Bharat use internet.
Jai Bharat!
Creating awareness is a big help. In that regard this blog and efforts of Tapan Ghosh are doing yeoman service. If a few rags(Anand Bazar Patrika) are getting incensed, then these blogs are definitely doing something right.
As pointed out just 6% of the Indians read news on the internet, which is small but not insignificant. This particular demographic is the so called elite when looked in terms of education and affluence. So multipler effect of this particular demographic cannot be discounted. Without the coverage in the blogosphere I think the riots would have been much worse.
@Sid, @KSV
It is upto the Hindu community of WB and Kerala to form issue based alliance and stand up for their rights. First and foremost keep the civilizational memories alive, Moplah pogram and Naokhlai genocide. Hopefully foolish Hindus will realize the writing on the wall and be prepared.
Reading the memoirs of partition it appears that many Hindus/Sikhs in Lahore and Karachi were shell shocked when news about partition was made public. What is even more tragic is that according Bharat Rakshak forum Congress leaders were quietly selling their property and transferring their assets while exhorting their followers to stay put. So, learning from history Hindu commuity of WB, Assam, Kerala should unite and not be victims of ethnic cleansing. They should learn from the example of Kashmiri Pandits.
Public opinion must be built to form an effective votebank, that is an absolute necessity for survival. I am not sure how the Hindu community in a far away place can help, apart from highlighting the plight of fellow Hindus.
Sid, thanks for you response.
Malavika,
Your comments about partition made me remember what I read about Gandhian J Kripalni and the impact of his advise to Sindhi Hindus during the partition. They lost everything listening to this man, the then Congress president. On the contrary, Bengalis were lucky to have SP Mookerjee arguing successfully against giving away the entire Bengal province to Pakistan. Look how we paid him his reward. We did not even give him a place in the footnotes of our history books.
If one studies the behavior of leaders of all spectrum (from Gandhi to Nehru to Jinnah to Kripalni to Savarkar to Patel to Krishna Menon to Liakat Ali to Abdul Gaffar Khan) during the period 1945-50, one should not wonder why India always become a “land with immense potential” but never doing justice to that potential. It prompted a recent stratfor report writing about the country as someone “who can not get it’s sh*t together”.
How to help Hindus? I have helped and defended Hindu refugees for thirty years. I have also been requested to help self-defence for Islamic communities. That is the difference.
If you do something for Muslims- they ‘got your back’
Hindus?- they will report you to the police or consider you a ‘bad character’.
We see some sects- e.g. non violent Jains, in Nairobi, Kenya, organizing to do what the police can’t.
But, in the U.K, they wouldn’t turn to a person like me- preferring to move to a more expensive neighborhood and blaming those who are left behind for their lack of upward mobility.
If the Bengali Hindus are a cowardly race, let them run, let them become refugees. As Nehru said to the Bangla Hindus ‘if your wives and daughters are being raped, why are you here complaining to me. Go there and share the same fate.’
Leaving aside the issue of the salutary effect of sodomization (Gandhi was always administering enemas to all and sundry) or, indeed, the question of whether Firaq Gorakhpuri ever got busy with Nehru’s backside, if Ghoti Hindus too will now be on the run- what can I say? Good. Get out of Communist Bengal. You will be more productive elsewhere. I suggest Gujerat as the ideal destination. Bengali brains and Gujju enterprise- let’s just make Gujerat independent before the Hindi belt hurts more of India.
@Sandeep (#58): This may be the right post for what you are thinking: “The Challenge Before Modern Day Hinduism†– Dr Ajai Singh
Can someone from W Bengal/ familiar with the area/ having contacts pl verify this story? Bajrangbali Banned in Bengal http://bit.ly/aQvRZg
@Shantanuji: Is this real ? Are we the citizens of a secular democratic republic or an Islamic nation where we are denied even the right to practice our religion ? This after our nation was divided on the basis of religion and one third if already given over to them.
If this is real it is time to prepare for packing up and leave our home and hearth like the Kashmiri Pandits ? But where to ?
They are gaining in power with the overt and covert help from the fundamentalist secular extremists.
Excerpts from Deganga’s Hindus abandoned by own by Kanchan Gupta:
“When Ms Mamata Banerjee went around ‘inaugurating’ Durga Puja at various pandals in Hindu majority constituencies of Kolkata this year…” Hindus don’t care for their co-religionists. When they keep away from Deganga and other similar places and keep stony silence on the atrocities committed against hindus why these people should be allowed to inaugurate Durga Puja ?
KSV said:
“When they keep away from Deganga and other similar places and keep stony silence on the atrocities committed against hindus why these people should be allowed to inaugurate Durga Puja ?”
Most likely average Bengali Hindu is quite shameless. They should not be allowed into rest of India.
@Malavika: Re. “Most likely average Bengali Hindu is quite shameless. They should not be allowed into rest of India“, *no* sweeping genralisations please…(I am sure you know the comments policy being a long-time reader). Thanks
Communal Riots Being Planned in Canning (West Bengal) NOW
Here are the details:
11 PM, October 20, 2010:
One Golam Hossein Halder of Canning of South 24 Pargana dist, RSP (Left Front) activist and criminal, has been beaten up in a clash 4-5 days back. 2-3 accused (Hindus) arrested in this case. Today that Golam died in hospital. Another criminal and TMC worker, Jahangir Naskar was threatening the Hindus and Hindu workers in this issue. He has threatened to start communal riots. Today after the death news came, some serious developments happened. The notorious CPM criminal leader, Shaukat Mollah, elected Sabhapati of Canning 2 No. Panchayat (Canning 2 Block) Samity, intervened. He has a notorious criminal gang. All Muslim leaders of all parties have joined hands. Tomorrow, after burying the dead body, they will attack 3 villages : Thumkathi, Mithekhali and Khas Kumrokhali. Massive looting and torture of Hindus planned. These 3 villages are strong centers of Hindu activities. After the death news came, today there were good police arrangements in the area. But now Shaukat Mollah, as CPM leader, has ensured that tomorrow, the police will remain inactive. The situation is serious.
Malavika , you are not being analytical. The best way to analyse this vis – a- vis Bengal is to understand colonialism.
The East India company first came to then Calcutta and it is here many Bengalis got influenced by the Brits. There was a class created and this related to many Samajs. I wont go into naming those who got influenced, but that is how Bengali psyche got ” chadovo-fied” . There was even a slogan by the Brits ” What Bengal does today India does tomoorrow. This was due to great science being done in Calcutta by Bose , Bose , Saha and one not a Bengali CV Raman who won the Nobel Prize in Physics from Calcutta. This upped a large section of Bengalis to say ” Wah !!. We are the greatest” Then came the great Bengal famine in 1940’s which led to Marxist thought embedded in another layer of the population. Of course there was Dr Roy the chief minister of WB who held the Marxists at bay, but the process which started after the Bengal famine slowly grew into a power base with in 15-18 yrs and till now we have Marxists ruling there, with Trinamool Congress behaving like another Congress.
Another thing with Bengali psyche is that they all want be academic 100%, which is why with ” Aamar Sonar Bengal ( the most fertile basin) they could not match the hard work ( practical) of Punjabis esp Sikhs , who with not so aamar fertile land of the Gangetic Plain achieved phenomenal output in agriculture during the Green revolution ( which also had faults as it overlooked biodiversity . Nobody knew what was biodiversity then, so you cannot fault anyone). This all want to be academics is another problem, which is akin to what happened to all want to be Buddhist monks , which led to questions by Chanakya ” Raaj kaun karega , kheth kaun ubega” to Chandragupta Maurya when he wanted to become a Jain monk after ruling for short time. CM became a monk a later, but he ruled for some time to restore sanity and then became a monk.
Getting upped by a slogan by Brits , creation of a Brown sahib culture , which is very evident in Kolkata even now ( it is there all over India), but in Kolkata it is very evident. I have nothing against Bengalis. Bengal ahs produced giants. Aurobindo, Bose JC. Satyen Bose, BC Chatterji and many. They have to take Swami Vivekanand famous quote seriously ” There is no use just reciting the Bhagvad Gita without understanding. I would rather flex by biceps and triceps for exercise and work than just preach that which is not understood” The message was that merely being academic is not enough , you have to work hard.
Marxism for long time has led to pseudosecularism.
I have given the comparsion between Punjab and Bengal agriculture which answers all.
Shantanu said:
“*no* sweeping genralisations please”
Ok, I take that back. I should say “Those indifferent Bengali Hindus are shameless”.
@ gajanan
What has being an academic to do with being a ???? Dhimmi? The Land of illustrious Sri RamaKrishna, Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo, S.C.Bose, Khudiram Bose is no more. What I see in WB is complete lack os self preservation among the Hindu community.
What boggles my mind is that even after horrific partition and genocide of Hindu community in East Bengal during 1971 and in East Bengal post 1971, the Hindu community of Bengal is not alarmed. Instead they elected J. Basu and Co who allowed lebensraum of Bangladeshi Muslims who now are in a position to call the shots.
Calcutans rallied for Rizwanur Rahman who according to CBI committed suicide but not Deganga. Pathetic.
“The Deganga riots are more significant than we might believe. The violence and the decades-long demographic change speak of a deliberate effort to reduce India piece by piece, no less so than Islamists’ effort to do the same to Israel. If Indians do not awaken soon, as Israelis have, they might find that international elites have defined Bengal as they have Kashmir.”
So true, the Bengali Hindus have to decide if they want to end up as Kashmiri Hindus or as Gujrathi hindus.
http://www.dailypioneer.com/291076/Ill-winds-that-blow-through-Deganga.html
The earlier excerpt was from the above article.
Another excerpt:
“For three days in September, anti-Hindu violence wracked the Deganga area in North 24 Parganas, West Bengal. Though the violence has subsided, Hindu residents fear renewed attacks. West Bengal BJP member Tathagata Roy visited the area twice since the violence began and observed, “that no Hindu was physically hurt, and no Hindu woman was molested, a regular feature in all Muslim attacks. But destruction of property and threats were both rampant….This was a well-thought-out, well-executed pogrom whose objective was to terrorise the Hindus no end without committing any major crime beyond arson.†That the matter is now fodder for political bickering instead of effective counteraction only furthers the attackers’ objectives.”
They are academic dhimmis.