Exploding the Myth of “Hindutva Terror” – Part II
Continued from Part-I. Dear All: I am opening this thread to avoid overload of comments on the previous thread. The last few comments have been reproduced here.
Please continue the discussion on this new thread. Thank you.
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Comment by Sid:
Just to add some discussion here:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100730/jsp/frontpage/story_12749135.jsp Note the last para:
“Attacking Hindu terror works fine for us. But taking on Muslim extremism is a very sensitive issue and so we should be careful. Achuthanandan is sounding like the Bajrang Dal and the central party is backing him,†said a senior CPM MP.
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Comment by B Shantanu
Pl read Sh B Raman Arrests of Some Hindus as Terrorists: Curiouser and Curiouser which concludes:
“…Thus, according to American investigators the LET and Al Qaeda were responsible for the Samjauta Express blast and the HUJI for the Mecca Masjid blast.If the American investigators, who have better sources in Pakistan, are correct, how can our investigators claim that some arrested Hindus were responsible for these incidents?
Justice and fairplay demand a thorough investigation into the two different versions that have emerged from Indian and American investigators. While the American investigators have blamed the LET, Al Qaeda and the HUJI, Indian investigators have blamed the Abhinav Bharat. Both cannot be correct.“
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Comment by GyanP
@Ashish Deodhar
According to your interpretation, media is not biased. Any bias that a person sees is misplaced. And you also assert that this is done by the ‘Hindu Rightists’.
Just show you that this perception is shared by outside neutral observers, I am quoting from a book that is written by an American Journalist, who has done extensive research on indigenous cultures around the world. The book’s name is “ORISSA in the CROSSFIRE: Kandhamal Burning†and the author is Brannon Parker.
Do you remember the Kandhmal riots? I hope you do. That is one incident that inflicted great damage on the image of many Hindu organizations. The media just could not stop itself from reporting the torture that had been inflicted by Tribals and these organizations on the native Christians. But, sadly,the truth lay elsewhere. But that truth was never told by the media. What more proof is required by any person on the complicity of media with ruling power and also with missionaries? This is reported by an outsider, not some Hindu suffering from [i]paranoid cum persecution complex[/i]!
Oh yes, I here are the original words of the author-
Coincidently, a mere two weeks before my arrival in India the tribes of Orissa had gone on the warpath. According to media reports, countless Christian churches were being burnt and worst of all Christians were allegedly being hunted down and killed. The violence had erupted after an 82 year old Hindu Monk dedicated to the
upliftment of Orissa’s tribespeople had been assassinated in a most brutal manner. The day chosen for his assassination was also seen as an intentional provocation. The day was Janmashtami, the birthday of Lord Krishna; a holiday celebtrated across India. The location of the assassination also caused great anguish to the tribes people. A group of somewhere between 18 to 36 armed men had descended upon a local girls school, lobbing grenades and firing machine guns into the air. The headmistress of the school was gunned down as she attempted to shield the life of her mentor, the 82 year old monk and founder of the school, Swami Lakshmananda Saraswati. A visiting parent
along with two junior monks were also viciously slaughtered as the young students fled for their lives.
Orissa was stunned by the violence and the entire State went into mourning.
Hindus throughout the world were outraged. Yet worst was to come. As a stunned people began to confront the fact that the authorities had failed to protect its citizens, the media began a campaign of calumny. Ignoring the brutal assassination of a beloved
spiritual leader as the root of the crisis the media began to depict the response to the massacre as the story. Report after report flooded the world media depicting the outraged tribal response as the actions of blood-thirsty criminals and marketers of hate.
Ignoring the hundreds of years of anguish and the long simmering disputes between the local Kandha tribes people and the Christian converted Pana, the media and political left created an artificial template lambasting the Hindus as the sole perpetrators of the
violence.
It was in the midst of this crisis that I arrived in Orissa to investigate the circumstances surrounding the violence. I arrived in Bhuvaneshwar, the capital of Orissa, on September 15, 2008. The monsoon season was in full swing. The worst floods in nearly 70 years washed over the land. The state highway was washed out several
times and thousands of people were left homeless. Amazingly life went on as usual with very little interruption. I had a couple miraculous escapes as we drove around Orissa crossing bridges only hours before they were swamped by the swollen rivers of the region.
During my 5 weeks in Orissa I met with many people on all sides of the issue.
Most people were forthright and clear about the issues plaguing the people. Many of the people, in fact, most of the people I met with had excellent solutions to the problems at hand. However the violence and disparity experienced by the people of Orissa and India at large has created a kind of chaos and instability. Thus India moves from one
crisis to the other. The greatest obstacle in the way of India’s progress is the state of denial that is endemic to country. Without understanding the true foundation of the problem it is almost impossible to provide any solution. The truth is most often buried
and manipulated by vested interests. Any effort to reveal the truth is highlighted as a ‘communal’ or ‘prejudiced’ effort. Victims are ignored and culprits are emboldened as the various political players entrench themselves in the suffering of the people. India’s
people are categorized and cataloged and thus divided against themselves by language, religion, ethnicity, caste and clan. Government benefits are given out and fought over.
Many take advantage of government largesse based upon their greed as the truly needy are left on the way side. India’s tribal people have been left far behind as some of India’s non-tribal citizens expertly and criminally manipulate the system. In this way tribal lands and rights are being accessed by non-tribals to the disadvantage of the
tribals. Long embittered, India’s tribes are only now attempting to regain lost ground.
Their struggle has been a long one and is ongoing.
In this report I have attempted to present the facts as they happened.â€[/quote]
The book is available as a free download on lulu.com, the links is given below-
http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/orissa-in-the-crossfire-kandhamal-burning/6046402
The author above talks about ‘India’s state of denial’. I think till the time our people are suffering from this mental state, it is difficult to find a solution.
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Comment by GyanP:
The case of so-called Hindu terror gets curiouser and curiouser. The TOI reports –
“Contrary to Centre’s growing estimate that alleged Hindu extremists carried out the May 2007 Mecca Mosque blast in Hyderabad, the United States and the United Nations have held the Pakistan-based Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami (HuJI) responsible for it. â€
and,
“The world body has also listed a number of terror attacks which were carried out by HuJI. Besides the Mecca Masjid blast, these include the twin explosions in Hyderabad in August 2007 and suicide bombing of the US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, in March 2006 among others.â€
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Comment by Anupam:
@Gyanp
..that justifies the title of the post. Of course, media will not cover this with same vigor. Will outlook render an apology for jumping the gun.
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Comment by Sid:
@Anupam
Will outlook render an apology for jumping the gun.
Why would they offer any apology? A lot of people still buy outlook and a lot of people who do not like outlook still drive traffic to their websites. What would change if a few “internet Hindus†feel offended?
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Comment by Anupam
@Sid,
well said..by the way ..I recently found out that Sagarika Ghose invented the term Internet Hindus and she feels they hound her..:)
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Please share your comments and thoughts below. Thanks
@Shantanu:
I happened to listen to one of ex-IAS Shri Avinash Dharmashikari (Who left his services due to the spineless leadership and seeing sinking hope for Bharat and Bharatis) in Pune on last Saturday.
He shared a top secret with audience.
“Seeing the large number of cases being filed against Islamic Terrorists top officials and office bearers ask investigation agency to rake up cases against Hindus anyhow, to divert the attention and tag them as Hindu Terrorists”
So the Arrests of Some Hindus as Terrorists: Curiouser and Curiouser , seems to be a lot of cooked up stories to show Hindus as guilty as barbaric islamists.
After Pune German Bakery blast “Start Maza” and IBN Lokmat was trying to show that Abhinav Bharat might be involved in Pune blast, which ultimately was an attempt to divert attention.
Jai Bharat!
This has been a “standard” practice.
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Bombay_bombings
“On 11 July 2006, the Chief Minister of Maharashtra during the blasts, Sharad Pawar, admitted, on record, that he had “deliberately misled” people following the 1993 Bombay blasts by saying there were “12 and not 11″ explosions, adding the name of a Muslim-dominated locality to show that people from both communities had been affected.[23] He tried to justify this deception by claiming that it was a move to prevent communal riots by falsely portraying that both Hindu and Muslim communities in the city had been affected adversely. He also admits to lying about evidence recovered and misleading people into believing that some of it pointed to the Tamil Tigers as possible suspects.[23]”
http://www.indiaexplained.com/fullstory.php?content_id=10419
“Speaking to The Indian Express Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta on NDTV’s Walk the Talk, which will be broadcast tomorrow at 7.30 pm, Pawar, who was Maharashtra Chief Minister at the time said he had anticipated clashes between Hindus and Muslims and he had to prevent that from happening.
“I went on TV and deliberately misled people. Instead of 11 explosions I told 12 and one of those areas was Masjid Bunder, dominated by minorities,†Pawar said.
And then at the Air India office, where the first explosion had occurred, Pawar came up with another “deliberate fudge†to prevent riots.
He had said then that from some of the material used in the blasts, it appeared that terrorist groups south of India were behind them—hinting at the LTTE.
The NCP president, who is Agriculture Minister in the UPA government, conceded that questions were indeed raised in the party on this step. He was in the Congress then and had been sent to Mumbai by P V Narasimha Rao to put the city back in order in the wake of the riots that had led to a sharp polarisation between Hindus and Muslims after the Babri Masjid demolition. “
See the difference. H.H. Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati was arrested on the eve of Diwali (not for any bomb blast or such terrorist activities). There was no protest from the peace loving community to which he belongs. Now the police is finding it difficult to execute the arrest warrant against Abdul Nassar Madani who is one of the accused in the Bangalore blast case.
http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/pdp-trying-to-whip-up-communal-passions/197430.html
The traitors within.
http://expressbuzz.com/states/kerala/pfi-activists-held-in-periyar-valley-campus/198092.html
The so called secularists and human rightists, but are really fanatics fronting for these kind of people viz. the maoists, naxalites, terrorists, anti-socials etc., espousing their cause even if they are killed in encounters and there are causalities on the side of police/security personnel also, are not at all bothered. To counter balance their favorites they invent and harp on hindu terrorism. With these kinds of people even God cannot save our country.
KSV SUBRAMANIAN said:
“The so called secularists and human rightists, but are really fanatics fronting for these kind of people viz. the maoists, naxalites, terrorists, anti-socials etc., espousing their cause ..”
Those ??? also call themselves ‘liberals/progressives’. It has been the biggest mistake of Hindu community to cocede ‘liberal space’ to these frauds.
@Subramaniyan,
It would be interesting to see the response from secular brigade; I mean both “pure” and “impure” variety.
@Sandeep (#2),
I saw your response. Below is an interesting observation:
Look at Mumbai 26/11. Here is the sequence of events:
1. 3-day long siege ended.
2. Nine gun-men died and one named Kasab was captured.
3. Mr. Antulay from secular cult of Gandhidas went on air and declared the siege to be the work of “Hindu Terrorists”. His statements had initial support from most well known secular minority intellectuals (barring a theater personality in Mumbai). “Patriotic” channels like NDTV went on an initial support, so did Digvijay Singh.
4. Kasab was identified as a Pakistani and his statements were released.
5. Theory of Hindu terror in 26/11 were laid to rest.
Now, as per original ISI plan, Kasab was supposed to die. So taking out point 2, here is the sequence again:
1. 3-day long siege ended.
2. Ten gun men died. There was nothing to connect them to Pakistan.
3. Mr. Antulay from secular cult of Gandhidas went on air and declared the siege to be the work of “Hindu Terrorists”. His statements had initial support from most well known secular minority intellectuals (barring a theater personality in Mumbai).
http://www.twocircles.net/2008dec17/who_killed_karkare_muslim_leaders_support_antulay_s_views.html
“Patriotic” channels like NDTV went on an initial support, so did Digvijay Singh.
4. Ten gun-men remained un-identified and because a minority politician would be saying that they are Hindus, they must be Hindus. (Remember, the Godhra train burning case and how the media tried to convince the country that they were pyromaniacs playing with fire).
5. Finally it was decided that RSS is there to blame.
Sounds impossible? Kuldeep Nayar was a journalist whom I had some respect for. Want to know what he wants Pakistanis to know?
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/16-kuldip-nayar-politics-of-terrorism-hs-01
Paragraph 9, I quote here:
More worrisome are the Hindu extremists rearing their head. The murder of police officer Hemant Karkare, who was probing the Malegaon blasts, was the doing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad or Bajrang Dal. Such instances may tell upon our pluralistic polity.All: Thanks for continuing the discussion…
@Sid: Thanks for the link to Kuldip Nayar’s article…Will have a look later. I am as disappointed as you re. the statement…Still find it hard to believe that Kuldip Nayar wrote this.
Shantanu, there’s a reason why the sages suggested the stages of Vanaprastha and Sanyas, so that people like Kuldip Nayar can navel-gaze in solitude instead of making fools of themselves.
Shantanu,
Al Quaida claimed responsibilty for Pune bomb blasts. Meanwhile our loser Home Minister PC keeps bleating about ‘Hindutva terror’.
Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden’s deputy Mustafa al Yazid has claimed responsibility for the attack. …
“â€The attack was carried out under the leadership of the commander of the Commando Battalion in Kashmir, Ilyas Kashmiri. The Pune attack is an act of great bravery and should inspire Muslim faithfuls all over the world,†Yazid says in the video.â€
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/110431/Top%20Stories/pune-blast-osamas-deputy-claims-responsibility.html
Meanwhile our useless HM said:
‘Saffron Terror’ is a new phenomena.
The Hindu community must sue this J*rk.
Where our ‘Saffron Terror’ ehthusiasts Ashish D and BJP are hiding.
@Malavika
Looks like you’ve just woken up from your months-long slumber. Good morning!
The Al Quaida link had come to light in the immediate aftermath of the blasts and surprise surprise! your much hated MSM had reported it in as early as Feb. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pune-blast-Al-Alami-action-points-to-Qaida-hand/articleshow/5585949.cms
Anyway, I don’t see how Al Quaida’s hand in the Pune blasts negates the many terror attacks carried out in the name of Hinduism. But I am sure you have some weirdly twisted logic for that!
Have fun!
AD said:
“The Al Quaida link had come to light in the immediate aftermath of the blasts and surprise surprise! your much hated MSM had reported it in as early as Feb. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pune-blast-Al-Alami-action-points-to-Qaida-hand/articleshow/5585949.cms”
If you were not completely deaf, blind and intellectually dishonest you would have noticed all the insinuations and slander hinting role of ‘Hindutva Terror’ link to Pune blast. Here is a glimpse from the ’eminent Praveen Swami’ and eminent Hindu. There are similar ‘articles’ from TOI too!
“Signs are the investigation into the bombing of the German Bakery will take time. All that investigators have by way of suspects are three men recorded holding brief meetings before the blast by a poor-quality closed-circuit television camera. From the videotape, it is unclear if the men had anything to do with the attack.”
Mr Swami is trying extra hard to exonerate the people arrested based on video recordings. But at the same time trying to implicate ‘Hindutva Terror’ without an iota of evidence.
“Last week’s bombing of the German Bakery in Pune has brought the ugly story of Abhinav Bharat — the Hindutva terrorist group Purohit helped found — back from the obscurity to which it was consigned by the Mumbai carnage, which took place just days after the trial in Nashik began.”
http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/19/stories/2010021961571000.htm
But then no one here accused AD of being intellectually honest.
@Malavika
You clearly didn’t read the opinion piece you shared. Because if you had read it, you would have noticed that the author is clearly referring to “Hindu terrorism” as a ‘conspiracy theory’ in relation to the Pune attacks.
In fact, far from calling this article “insinuation” and “slander”, I would’ve expected you to use it as a proof that “Hindu terror” is indeed a hoax!
Either you have very poor reading and critical thinking abilities or I am beginning to wonder if you even understand the meaning of “intellectual dishonesty”.
But anyway, I will leave you to yourself.
Cheers!
AD
Ashish Deodhar said:
“You clearly didn’t read the opinion piece you shared. Because if you had read it, you would have noticed that the author is clearly referring to “Hindu terrorism†as a ‘conspiracy theory’ in relation to the Pune attacks.”
For all your bluster, where is the evidence. Where did Praveen say “Hindu terrorism†as a ‘conspiracy theory”?
AD said “Either you have very poor reading and critical thinking ..?
Stop ad homenium attacks, that is a sure sign of a loser.
Malavika,
Give them a break. The pearls of wisdom scantly distributed by great secular-liberals are to be read and discussed by only “genuinely liberal-minded” people, because only they “get it” (In Sandeep B’s blog I once read the famous Vishnu Som telling us that only minds with a secular bent can understand his point-of-view). Only then the ivory tower of secular-liberal complex can stand on the flimsy ground it is built on.
Muslims (ohh, I am soooo communal)seculars from a particular community do not listen to them, Vatican-based seculars do not care, Red “seculars” do not “get” the grand message of peace and love (and their fellow traveler intellectuals are searching for ideologies like “Gandhian Violence”)…. so there must be some community who must be bullied into submission. Otherwise who would polish the ivory tower? They thought Hindus fit the bill and then along came people like you who are not easy and thus do not “get” it. Obviously, it can be safely inferred that those who do not “get” it lacks the reading/understanding skills (and every other skill secular/liberals thought valuable), yet the bloody secular tower is rocking. Ahhhh…. such a frustration.“Get” it? Damn, I knew you would not.
@Malavika
You would definitely make Sarah Palin very proud! (and I am sure you will take that as a compliment!)
The “evidence” that you want is clear enough if you bother to read the article. But if you and your I-endorse-things-I-don’t-understand-myself brethren want to make a fool of yourselves, I am happy to be of help.
The “evidence” is in the first two lines – “Investigators focus on jihadist groups, but some fear Hindutva group may have carried out German Bakery bombing” and “Key suspects in Abhinav Bharat’s terror campaign have never been held, hence controversy”. Please do note the word CONTROVERSY!
Then he goes on to say “Even as the police detained more than two dozen young Muslim men for questioning, some community leaders have been arguing that the bakery attack could just have easily been carried out by a Hindutva group.”
The following two paras were, in fact, right out of the right-wing apologists’ books:
“Many believe that Abhinav Bharat carried out many attacks earlier attributed to jihadist groups — notable among them, the bombing of the Mecca Masjid in Hyderabad in May 2007, and a subsequent attack on the famous shrine at Ajmer. Despite persistent questioning of Abhinav Bharat cadre, though, the investigators have not been able to link the group to the attacks.”
and
“In January this year, Pakistan’s Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik went further, admitting that “there were some Pakistan-based Islamists who had been hired to carry out the Samjhauta Express attack.â€
Again, “Few investigators believe that the organisations — or other Hindutva cells — mounted the operation.”
And finally, “The longer the investigation takes, the more time conspiracy theories and speculation will have to proliferate — likely deepening the communal fissures the bombing is already opening up.”
The tone of the whole article is to question the possibility of Hindu extremists’ involvement in any of the attacks and to discharge them of their crimes even before the courts decide on the cases. You would’ve figured it out and saved me my 5 minutes only if you had paid attention to READING COMPREHENSION in school, if you have even been to one!
Oh by the way, Mr. Manoj Kumar, “Obviously, it can be safely inferred that those who do not “get†it lacks the reading/understanding skills”
Wrong grammer. It should be “those who do not… LACK…” not lacks! So you don’t understand Sanskrit, I doubt your Hindi abilities and you are clearly crap at English! Are you good at anything at all? But hey! Quite fitting for a dwarf who scolds his subordinates for making spelling and grammatical mistakes!
But anyway, I will stop here. For all you know, I might be told off for making “off-topic” comments if I carry on taking the pants off the blue-eyed boys and girls!
Cheerio! 🙂
Ashish,
Don’t know why it is any of my business but just couldn’t resist pointing out that grammar (as in “wrong grammer”) is spelled with an “a” at the end instead of with an “e”. Perhaps given the school-marm tone of your post to Malavika and Mr Manoj Kumar?
Spelling notwithstanding, I tend to agree in general with your observations especially those vis-a-vis the ultra-nationalist-jingoist crowd.
J
AD said:
“You would definitely make Sarah Palin very proud! (and I am sure you will take that as a compliment!)
Start with insults, AD school of logic.
“You would’ve figured it out and saved me my 5 minutes only if you had paid attention to READING COMPREHENSION in school, if you have even been to one!”
Mr Bah Humbug .. You GRE scores will not be more than 200(the minimum) for each subject and you are trying to insult me?
Instead of insults and bluster, why don’t you post qualitative and quantitative analysis of the article?
Oh good. Another ‘mock-the-Malavika’ day? Right ho! I am in 🙂
Qualitative and quantitative analysis? LOL. Do you understand any of what you just said? Big words for your small brain, Ms. Palin!
And qualitative and quantitative analysis for what? Derivatives? Hey! it’s a little newspaper opinion piece that even my dog could comprehend faster than you!
But I guess I am sorry for saying that Sarah Palin would be proud of you! I take that back. I think you would actually make her jealous! You are quite some competition even for Sarah Palin 😀
Qualitative and quantitative analysis 😀
You made my day Malavika. Thanks. Please do post a couple of more comments today, won’t you?
@Jay
No you are right. I am quite bad at English and most other languages to be honest. That’s one of the reasons why I don’t go about shoving any particular language down others’ throats.
But you may not have a clear picture of the whole language debate (well calling the rants on this forum ‘debate’ is making a mockery of the concept of debate anyway!) if you hadn’t followed the thread titled “Mother language or modern language” or something of that sort!
Cheers for pointing that out though. Grammar is indeed spelt grammar 🙂
AD
@Ashish: Re. “…rants on this forum…”, may I gently point out that you do not have to read these “rants” and/or respond to them?
@Shantanu
“may I gently point out that you do not have to read these “rants†and/or respond to them?”
Please don’t do that to me. Where will I get my laughs from? 🙂
…or is it that you have got a great platform for your scintillating sarcasm?
Well not initially. At first, I tried to have a decent debate. Tried it for about a month or so. It wasn’t appreciated. So I thought it might just have fun. Not my fault! This is the only place where I could find all the chest-thumping adimanavs all in once place. You can’t blame me for that, can you?
And by the way, if you scroll up a bit, you would see who started this all. Not me! But I am not one to be shouted down. So what’s wrong if I have a little bit of fun on the way?
malavika,
“..insults and bluster..”
nice summing up of commie/liberal arguements.
bravo.
Shantanu,
the discussion on Hindutva terror is taking the shape and quality of rediff board discussion on Congress party and secularism.
Malavika,
Cool down. It is not worth it. You can only argue with those who understand the clear difference among argument, sarcasm and insult. Generally, liberals are very self-righteous people, according to them the
factopinion that they are always right is not subject to any argument. Sort of truism, is not it? Therefore, any argument that challenges this closely held belief is a bete noire. Then you will be compared to Sara Palin/Osama Bin Laden or in case, the extensive liberal hate-list is exhausted then Manoj Kumar. Now that you have committed the unacceptable crime, liberal community would run to take “your pants off” (because, you see, keeping pants on is a very hateful right-wing idea).Good. Listen to baba Manoj Kumar’s words of wisdom. Hey Sid, care posting your last comment in Sanskrit? LOL
@Ashish,
Before I can post it, let me test if you are capable of understanding if I post my answer in Sanskrit:
nayam atma pravacanena labho na medhaya, na bahuna srutenaA hint for you. It is from a great Upanishad, one of the pivotal verses of philosophy behind Upanishads. You tell me the literal meaning and the philosophical meaning behind it and I will post my answer in Sanskrit. Oh, BTW, do not ignore the meaning. It contained a great advise for you.
Yeyyyyy… so you finally threw at me whatever little Sanskrit you know! Congratulations 😀
Of course I don’t know your extinct Sanskrit my boy. Not everyone wants to live in the 8th century, you know.
But way to go. You managed to put some klashjhfkashdkj together in once sentence. Bravo!
Ashish,
Good. First you challenged me and now that I am willing to take on, you do not wish to
live in 8th century. One can see your love and respect for Bharaitiya Sanskriti in those sentences (as I did couple of months back in your comment: “dude on big snake watching Maneka dance”).Liberalism or Secularism could have been a legitimate ideology had it not got followers like you whose job is to re-define words “intellectual bankruptcy” on a daily basis. Have fun in your ignorance and arrogance.
@Sid
As earlier, I challenged you to write your last comment in Sanskrit, not to throw whatever Sanskrit you know! Deja vu!
But why waste both of our time when we both know that you can’t do that! So shove your “Bharatiya sanskriti” up yours and live in peace. Why do you keep coming back to me to get humiliated?
Guys, please cool it…
I am not holding a contest of wit/sarcasm/innuendo here…
As I remind myself on an almost daily basis (not always without success), often times, “Silence is Golden”.
I hope this is taken in the right spirit. Thank you, all.
Ashish,
Why do you keep coming back ... ?I keep coming back to discuss with people who has something to discuss. So discussing with people even when I do not agree to them is a learning process and Shantanu’s blog has some really excellent people to discuss with. I do not suffer from the kind of ego issues or need for desperate self-congratulation that would raise the question of humiliation.
Your choice of words actually show your world-view. Few samples: taking pants off, humiliate, shove your “Bharatiya Sanskriti”…. etc. Apparently, according to your education, these are the words of intellectual engagement. Yet you are completely incapable of tolerance when someone taunts you. It is the portrait of a very disturbed individual. May be you are, may be you are not. Yet that is your patent signature on this blog.
@Sid
“intellectual engagement”? On this blog? With you? Are you kidding me?
I come here only to take your pants off. I have the intellectual engagement elsewhere. I thought you were smart enough to figure that out already.
Yeah if I think that “Hindu India” is a deluded concept, if I think that militant Hinduism is dangerous, if I think that we should be progressive, not regressive, if I think that the “Hindutva” dimwits are tarnishing the otherwise decent image of Hinduism… then yes, I am a very disturbed individual and I am glad that this has been my signature on this blog.
Too bad you will have to put up with this disturbed individual!
By the way, people who HAVE. Not people who HAS 🙂
I come here only to take your pants off. I have the intellectual engagement elsewhere. I thought you were smart enough to figure that out already.Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I did not know that you are that into self-acted pornography. Explains a lot of your behavior.
@Ashish: Re ““intellectual engagementâ€? On this blog?…Are you kidding me?“…let me repeat…You do NOT have to read and comment on the posts…
Spare us the wisecracks…I am getting tired and bored of this…
I will henceforth use my editorial privileges to delete any/all comments which I feel do not add anything substantive to the discussion…(and pl spare me the sarcasm – I really do not have time for it).
@Shantanu
I have been given to understand that some of your readers didn’t appreciate my yesterday’s comments and I have been asked to post a little note to them. Please do publish it if you care to.
Dear readers
To begin with, the comments I made yesterday were of very low quality, very disgusting and utterly offensive. I felt quite ashamed of myself for sinking so low whilst writing those comments. They were definitely not gentlemanly to say the least.
I am not, however, sorry for writing those comments. I am not sorry because I believe that I wasn’t talking to ladies and gentlemen. I have been asked to apologize for making those comments and treat those who I made those comments to with respect. I am told that if I don’t apologize and respect these people, I may not get any votes if I stand in elections in the future. So be it!
I think we’ve been respecting these religious nationalists far too long which has given them the credibility that they don’t otherwise deserve. Their ideologies are so stinkingly cheap that it’s difficult to bear them, let alone listen to their argument with a straight face. I would advise the readers to have a look at BNP (www.bnp.org.uk) and tell me how different they are from the Hindu nationalists. The only difference is that whilst the BNP is practically boycotted by the British public, we have built statues of Savarkar and the likes. Those who still believe that Savarkar is a legend, try reading his book ‘Hindu rashtra darshan’. Such ideologies don’t deserve any respect; in fact, they need to be confronted wherever and whenever possible.
So here’s the point. I won’t apologize for my outburst yesterday because I don’t believe I have said anything wrong. Some of you may have felt disgusted at the language I used and I apologize to those people.
I was also given the understand that my comments about Indian culture may have disturbed some Indian readers. So here’s a quick point on that:
I am an Indian and I respect India’s culture. The way I see it, India’s culture is made up of many different cultures, which are welcoming of everyone – Indian or foreign. I respect the fact this culture has a place for Hindus, Muslims, Christians, remote tribes and Anglo Indians alike! It does not seek to impose one culture over another and it doesn’t conflict with other cultures. Unfortunately, the contemporary “saviours of this culture” are misinterpreting and misrepresenting it to achieve their political ambitions and that’s unacceptable to me. I don’t identify with a culture that beats up harmless women, that kills scores of people from minority communities, that go about destroying their places of worship…. and so on. To put it in a nutshell, I don’t believe in a culture that is so insecure that it “needs to be saved”.
So when I referred to the “bhartiya sanskriti”, it is this twisted interpretation of the sanskriti that I attacked.
A brief note on Hinduism and Hindutva terror:
My parents and most of my family are Hindus and I don’t consider them extremists. In fact, I believe that a majority of India that follows Hinduism would have nothing to do with extremism. So in that light, my attacks on the ‘Hindutva brigade’ is not an attack on Hinduism; far from it. I have maintained for a long time that this ‘Hindutva brigade’ has nothing to do with Hinduism. They are just a bunch of nutters adamant on imposing their political philosophy on the country, which I could never get myself to endorse.
So to sum up, I won’t apologize to those whom my comments were directed at because I don’t think I was wrong. I apologize to those who were caught in the middle of it all and didn’t appreciate it.
Cheers!
@Ashish: If you really feel that the comments you “made yesterday were of very low quality, very disgusting and utterly offensive.”, spare us the trouble of reading them.
You are not under any compulsion to read this blog or respond to the comments.
If you cannot treat others with respect, this may not be the place for you. And frankly, we all know what you stand for, repeating more of such comments does not help..
P.S. I notice that you have dragged Veer Savarkar in this comment. I will be writing a post on him at some point in the next few months…Until then, hold your fire (on this forum)..You are of course free to write whatever you wish about him elsewhere.
P.P.S. What exactly do you mean by words like “stinkingly cheap” in the context of an ideology? I am looking for a straight answer rather than a “clever” comment.
@Ashish,
You clearly do not have tolerance needed towards others (let alone respect). You may be correct at places but you can not use ungentlemenly language to anyone here as no one you have met before and have any personal quarrels. If you have any then please take care of it in your personal life and not on the places which is visible to whole world.
P.P.S. What exactly do you mean by words like “stinkingly cheap†in the context of an ideology? I am looking for a straight answer rather than a “clever†comment.
I too ask you the same question raised by Shantanu.
Jai Bharat and Jai Bharati.
ad,
“..Their ideologies are so stinkingly cheap that it’s difficult to bear them, let alone listen to their argument with a straight face.”
i feel the same and much more for you and your brigade.
you are here to take “pants off” the people here.
the person(i.e. you) who announced himself as a devotee of “the infinitely slapped saint” ,and the “tolerant” brand of hinduism(figment of your’s and many other’s imagination) is clearly visible to all in his real form(with pants off if that is what you like) in all his recent posts.
Dear Shantanu and friends
I’d like to announce that Ashish Deodhar has resigned from FTI.
Regards
Sanjeev
This is not the first time an “educated”, “smart”, “cultured”, “tolerant”, “secular”, “atheist”, “genuinely liberal-minded” “gentleman” has written “cheap” as well as “disgusting” comments and wished to “shove ‘Bharatiya Sanskriti'”. And, certainly, this would not be last. This is happening to Shantanu’s blog for the first time (as far as I have seen), but I have seen this happening in some other blogs and forums myriad times where supposedly educated examples of tolerance declare their intolerance for anyone who dare to disagree with them. It is probably the price a successful blogger pays.
The real tragedy is that FTI lost a member because of some “cheap” ideology which, if I am correct, has nothing to do with FTI.
@Sid,
Ashish was never speaking on behalf of FTI and those all were his personal opinions.
Jai Bharat!
It is unfortunate that leftwingers cannot engage in a civil debate.
Wisecracks, flame-baits, gratuitous smileys, superciliousness and a silly self-righteousness … such are the qualities that adorn their deportment.
Empty vessels make a lot of a noise, says the old saw. I put it all down to a fondness for content-free argument. Because substance is counterproductive. It calls for fact and reason.
Sandeep,
I know. Please read the last line of my post again.
@Sid
“The real tragedy is that FTI lost a member because of some “cheap†ideology which, if I am correct, has nothing to do with FTI.”
The term ‘Stinkingly Cheap Ideology’ used for Bharatiy Sanskriti. So such comments are deep concern to us. We (FTI) care for Bharat and Bharatiy Sanskriti and will fight all ills which are haunting us (as a nation).
Jai Bharat!
friends,
the real terror bares it’s fangs.
http://twitter.com/InternetHindus/status/22811695238
A relevant excerpt from The Hate India Movement by S. Prasannarajan
Bigots are they – self declared leaders – who duck their responsibility by naming reasons for their inactivity. But they actually fail to understand it needs conviction that you can bring the change whatever it may take.
Selfishness has taken the toll on them. Politicians, Macaulian educated elites must understand a nation and society are built on culture and values not on selfish propaganda.
Sooner or later, Bharat will get where it is destined. History is full of examples but our post-freedom generations has failed us in instilling the national character while building the nation. “Bharat Mata” has been tore apart and barely left to breath for her existence.
Bharat Mata gave us existence and what have we done in return?
Vande Mataram!
Praveen Swami (The Hindu) tweeted this news-report from the morning of 26th Nov ’08 that predictably got buried in later developments that day… I feel the sub-heading (in italics) says it all…Excerpts from Media muddy Malegaon terror probe:
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I am going to request him to please explain the “flow of new facts” that led to this article http://bit.ly/i8zycW barely 18 mths aftr the one above.
Extracts from some comments on the article in WSJ:
Comment by Skanda Veera:
Ravi Sivaraman: “Hindu radicallsm is the larger threat because it is invidious and provides a breeding ground for terrorism inside the country. ”
This statement is apparently innocent, but actually pretty dishonest. First of all, before saying “larger threat”, have you shown any data that says it is “larger”?
On the other hand – “The constant hate-campaign of Hindu radicals have definitely increased the threat of terrorist attacks within the country. ”
Do you know the difference between nationalism and terrorism? Hindu activity is in defense of Hinduism, which is synonymous to defense of Indian borders, its people.
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Comment by Ravi Sivaraman;
Skanda Veera: “Hindu activity is in defense of Hinduism, which is synonymous to defense of Indian borders ..”
Apparently innocent statement but pretty dishonest. When was the last time Hindu fundamentalists were anywhere near our borders? These guys fight the easy fight against unarmed minorites in Ayodhya, Mumbai, in Gujarat. When it comes to fighting on the border, they leave that to the Sikhs and braver Hindus
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Comment by Skanda Veera:
Ravi Sivaraman: “Apparently innocent statement but pretty dishonest. When was the last time Hindu fundamentalists were anywhere near our borders?”
How is that dishonest? What do you know about borders of India? Do you think you are working on borders if not Hindu organizations? And if you really do, you would know who is doing the work there.
It was an RSS man who died first defending Kashmir. It was RSS that stood by Indian army during China war.
Today, if you go to the borders in Rajasthan and Jammu, you will realize that it is the Seema Suraksha and other similar Hindu volunteer organizations that are fighting infiltrations. It is Hindu organizations in Assam, Bengal and north-east that are fighting infiltrations. It is they who are laying their lives there, defending the nation. It is they whose lives, that are not even reported by the biased mainstream media, that make the difference.
It is your job to do some homework before you talk of someone’s honesty. Sitting on internet forums hardly gives you first hand information.
“These guys fight the easy fight against unarmed minorites in Ayodhya, Mumbai, in Gujarat.”
Another lie. “These guys” took to arms in defense against the onslaughts of *armed rowdies* who call themselves minorities. And it is “these guys” who try to fight against *armed* terrorists with AK-47-s.
“The prime accused in the string of terror cases involving alleged Hindu extremists, Swami Aseemanand, has told the Ajmer Chief Judicial Magistrate that his confession to the CBI was under coercion from investigation agencies. And so was his letter allegedly suggesting he wanted to turn approver.
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“Senior advocates said that Aseemanand told the court that the CBI and NIA put pressure on him — including threatening his family — to confess to his role in the Samjhauta blasts. And threatened to “fix†him in false cases and put his “family in jail.â€
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“Following his retraction, a Tis Hazari court today reserved its order on the alleged leak of his confession. Appearing for petitioner Devendra Gupta, Anupam Sharma told Additional Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Sanjay Bansal that Aseemanand had claimed that the Investigative Officer was present outside the courtroom of Metropolitan Magistrate Deepak Dabbas in Delhi when he was recording his statement. Bansal had asked the CBI to file a report explaining under what circumstances the confession was leaked to the press.
Sharma said: “Aseemanand’s stand proved that the confession was recorded under torture… it also showed it was leaked by no one else but CBI officials.â€
Gupta, an RSS leader who is lodged in an Ajmer jail and faces a chargesheet filed by the Rajasthan’s ATS, Anti-Terrorist Squad, alleged in his complaint that Aseemanand’s statement, recorded under Section 164 of CrPC, was “illegally published in connivance with the CBI Investigative Officer (T Rajah Balaji) and Tehelka magazineâ€.
The court will pronounce the order on April 6. ”
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/aseemanand-takes-back-all-he-said-was-…/769654/
Fascist Raj of Sonia-MMS at work, I guess.
Excerpt from Mentioned Indresh’s name in blasts conspiracy under duress, says Aseemanand by Lokpal Sethi
…In a startling revelation in the court of the Chief Judicial Magistrate of Ajmer, Aseemanand said he had never met Kalim, a youth undergoing imprisonment for his involvement in Mecca Masjid blast case, in Hyderabad jail. Aseemanand said he does not even know who Kalim was and the story about his meeting him was concocted by an assistant superintendent of police, TR Balaji, and was made part of his confessional statement, which he said was extracted under duress.
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In his second letter to the CJM RL Moond on Friday, Aseemanand said sleuths of these agencies, including CBI, NIA and ATS of Rajasthan, had not only threatened to implicate his family members but also his disciples at his Shabari Ashram in Gujarat, if he refused to give a confessional statement and agreed to become an approver.
“Dead men don’t talk”
Seems to be the Motto of the NIA/CBI.
Anything and every thing is to be blamed on long dead Sunil Joshi without any corroborating evidence. So far there is no evidence apart from the confession of Aseemanand, and Aseemanand claims his confession was coerced. And the charge sheet is entirely based on the his prior ‘confession’. Even then there is no evidence of Purohit involvement.
Welcome to the fascist banana republic of India.
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/nia-failed-to-gather-proof-against-col-purohit/20110621.htm
NIA failed to gather evidence against Lt Col Purohit’
“The NIA’s claim is intriguing, “Sandeep Dange, Ramji, Lokesh Sharma and others — under the leadership of Sunil Joshi — were instrumental in not only procuring the raw material for IED but also getting these fabricated and planted in the target.”
A prominent weekly had carried a report filed by the NIA in April 2011 on the blast cases in Malegaon, Ajmer and Samjauta Express to the Home ministry that said, “The attacks in Ajmer Sharif, Mecca Masjid and Samjhauta are likely to have been carried out by the same group.”
The ‘group’ included Purohit’s name.
But, now NIA’s chargesheet suggests that they failed to gather evidence against Purohit. According to a senior CBI official, Colonel Srikant Purohit is NOT involved in the Samjauta Bomb blast.
While talking exclusively to rediff.com on the condition of anonymity, he said, “Neither the CBI nor the NIA could find evidence to link Purohit to the Samjauta blasts case.”
Why Hindus are treated as Non Entity in India?
Criminals, vagabonds, miscreants, cheaters, criminals and law abusers and violators are now ruling India. Criminal Politicians, corrupt bureaucrats, and law enforecement officials in India act with out fear, shame or guilt. They have no empathy for the Indian victims.
In Democratic countries law enforcement officials ensure that criminals, corrupt bureaucrats, money launderers and robbers are arrested, prosecuted and sentenced for long prison terms for the safety and security of society. For democracy to prevail such strict guidelines and enforcement are required.
Unfortunately, India who claims to be the largest democracy, citizens elect, retain, reelect and acclaim corrupt politicians who cheat, loot and plunder the wealth of the poor people. In India, the, Hindus disfranchise themselves. Since they have less concerns, the government support looters, Jihadi terrorists, conversion gang,anti nationalists, bogus secularists, and those Marxist misfits who are against Hindus. The general public (majority Hindus) are brainwashed, mentally misdirected, and made them submissive zombies by phony secularists, alienated intellectuals,and bleeding heart liberals. The silent majority is indoctrinated through McCauly Education and media game to tolerate and compromise with evil and compromise with criminal politicians, Jihadi terrorists, missionary mafia, money launderers, currupt burocrats and drug pushers. . How could one explain this social pathology? Tamil Nadu is ruled by the corrupt anti Hindu Dravidian Parties. UP has retained plunderer Mayavathi as Chief Minister. India is the only country where Mafia Leaders, political big wigs, and business tycoons never serve long term prison sentences for their crime and corruption. MPs and MLAs get big salary and allowance for their meaningless and useless legislative participation and debates supporting alien rule and Jihadi subsidy. Instead of studying and enacting integrating and nationalist policies, they are keen on passing bills that will ensure division and destruction of the country.
There is no social check or external restraints for any individual endorsing or supporting corrupt politicians, anti nationalists, and Jihadi terrorists. Criminal and corrupt politicians will ensure that constitutional checks and restraints are not enforced. India is the only country in the world where the Supreme Court Chief Justice is appointed based on caste and political consideration. The past Supreme court Chief Justice has amassed wealth disproportionate to his know income by corruption. No case was registered against him and he was appointed as the Human Rights Commissioner.
The majority (Hindus) are taught to be passive. The propensity for political passivity with Hindus disfranchise themselves. They have faith in personal conscience and Dharma. But those who do not believe in any personal conscience or Dharma are well organised, united and bargain for more. They get more than what they deserve. We admire our democracy, but we often ignore the importance of imposing restraints on Jihadis, anti nationals, and media persons who promotes terrorism, coercive religious conversion or corruption. No constitution can produce an effective, corruption free government based on Dharma until the majority (Hindus) increase in the extent of social prerequisites on these corrupt rulers.
A good deal is now known about the nefarious political activities of our bleeding heart liberals, phony secularists who support terrorists, social disruptor’s, and Naxalite criminals. We know that their anti national activities are funded and directed by our foreign enemies.
Indian politicians ensure that Hindus are ignorant of of India’s history. They have tinkered with our education and kept the Islamic and Christian colonial education to make sure Hindus are kept in ignorance. Most Hindus have little knowledge of the centuries of history of Islamic conquests and Christian colonialism. Brutal Islamic conquest of India resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs. Millions of Hindus were forcefully converted and enslaved. Nor do most Hindus understand the Sharia-based subjugation of Hindus as “Dhimmis”. Hindus are treated as third class citizens in their own land even after independence from British Christian Colonialists. One of the most egregious error is that Hindus are indoctrinated to believe that Islamic invaders and Christian colonialists were tolerant, progressive and unified the nation.
The lies, bigotry, corruption, Islamic appeasement, coercive religious conversion, and policy failures must be exposed if Hindus are to ever understand not only what happened thousands of years ago but to understand Why Hindus are oppressed, maligned, and treated as third class citizens by the tyrannical Congress Party and pseudo secularism. For the corrupt and Hindu politicians in India, any insult, terrorism and violence against Hindus is correct. This is the piece of the puzzle Hindus fail to grasp. Hindus who want to protect their sacred Temples and snathana Dharma are provocateurs, a breach of peace which amounts to anti democratic, anti Islam and anti democratic. Muslims marching with swords and bombs, missionaries using deceptive methods, Marxists undertaking subversive activities, corruption, public looting are legitimate. It is a fair game for Jihadis to chop off hands of a professor, destruction of Hindu Temples and burning alive Hindu passengers in train.
Now we understand why Hindus are treated as Third Class Citizens in Our Motherland? It’s simple, knowledge eludes us. Why? I think the answer is that we expose facts and corruption, Islamic terrorism, Coercive religious conversion, Bureau pathology, and criminal politicians.
Let me conclude with the wisdom of Albert Einstein “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing”.
Excerpts from Agencies worried ‘Hindu terror’ tough to prove, 30 JANUARY 2012 by RAKESH K SINGH:
In what could lead to a major embarrassment for the Centre, investigations into the much-hyped Hindu terror cases are likely to hit a dead end. The cases, including blasts at Modasa, Malegaon I and II, Ajmer, Samjhauta Express and Mecca Masjid, in which Swami Aseemanand has been made the main conspirator, lack corroborative evidence. The investigators feel the cases may fall flat during trial.
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The NIA needs to gather concrete material evidence to substantiate the alleged conspiracy and corroborate his statements. Sources said the chargesheets were filed mainly to prevent Aseemanand getting bail.
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The official says that Aseemanand’s confessional statements do not hold evidentiary value as he has subsequently denied them and claimed that the same were extracted under duress. Notwithstanding the chargesheets filed in the cases, the investigation continues to be open till evidences to corroborate the allegations are gathered.
From a recent article in Rediff, brief excerpts (emphasis added):
Therefore these (case of “Hindu Terror”) are not open and shut cases. There is no hard evidence. In fact, findings from different sources conflict with each other and have giant sized question marks imprinted all over them.
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If talk of Hindu terror was harmless banter or merely an exercise in political one-upmanship, one would be least concerned. But this brouhaha is a dangerous game that has serious repercussions on India’s fight against terror acting as a distraction that not only compromises our efforts but puts us diplomatically on the backfoot vis-a-vis Pakistan.
It is nobody’s contention that we condone or ignore the violence perpetrated by Hindu groups. The investigation can continue. But at this stage it would be a fatal mistake if we directed all our energies and resources in trying to chase a non-existent problem at worst or an insignificant one at best and ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room: Pakistan inspired locally aided terror.
IS the case for “Hindutva Terror” falling apart?
Excerpts from Sunil Joshi murder: ‘NIA offered Rs 1 crore to name RSS leaders’, Express news service : New Delhi, Wed Apr 25 2012:
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Singh’s petition says, “The NIA officials for three days questioned for five hours each day and forced to name three senior functionaries of RSS saying that Joshi was murdered at their instance. I was threatened and lured with the offer of Rs 1 crore and also promised that the charges against me would be withdrawn. During the three-day questioning, the NIA officials… mentally harassed me to give a statement against RSS officials…The NIA officials are doing the entire exercise at the behest of the central government and creating false evidences.â€
Vasani’s petition also made the same allegations.
NIA officials termed the allegations as baseless.
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The Rajasthan ATS, which was initially probing the Dargah blast case, had in its first chargesheet mentioned the name of senior RSS leader Indresh Kumar. However, the NIA has so far not been able to find evidence against him.
Was Purohit “framed”?
http://www.business-standard.com/generalnews/news/i-infiltrated-abhinav-bharat-kept-bosses-in-loop-purohit/26465/
PTI report quoting an article due to appear in Outlook
Placing this here for the record: The myth of ‘Hindutva terror’ by Kiran Kumar S
From No probe has DIRECTLY linked RSS to terror yet by Vicky Nanjappa, 22 Jan ’13:
…However, there is nothing on record to show that the RSS as an organisation had provided space or funds to carry out such activities.
Sources in the NIA, however, pointed out that some members of the RSS had funded these radicals without the knowledge of their organisation.
“It is difficult to prove a direct link, but we are not giving anyone a clean chit. Most of the RSS functionaries who have been questioned in connection with these cases have maintained that they knew these people but were not aware of what they were up to. There was a need to fight to aggression from across the border, but none had authorised anyone to take an extreme step,” the NIA official said on conditions of anonymity.
“The RSS had even distanced themselves from these elements. Varshney and Berry had even stated that there was nothing wrong in knowing a person like Devendra Gupta. He was an RSS worker and was regularly spotted at organisational functions. But that does not mean we were aware of the plot,” the official said.
From Minhaz Merchant’s blog-post on ToI:
How serious an issue is Hindu/Saffron terror? Examine the question
rationally. Four specific terror attacks over the past several decades
can plausibly be traced back to extremist Hindutva elements who were
former members of the Sangh parivar: Malegaon (2006), Samjhauta
Express (2007), Mecca Masjid (2007) and Ajmer Sharif (2007). All these
cases are sub-judice. The accused have remained in jail for several
years. Contradictory evidence implicating the banned SIMI and Indian
Mujahideen (IM) has been produced by, among others, the United
Nations.
The total number of fatalities in these four attacks was 127. In
contrast, a single jihadist-underworld terror serial bomb attack in
Mumbai in March 1993 killed 257 people.
From Hindu terror- Is it a political conspiracy against RSS? by Vicky Nanjappa, September 27, 2013:
There were sensational disclosures made by various investigation agencies claiming that Hindu terror was a reality. However today there appears to be a cloud on those disclosures with several accused claiming that they were forced to implicate Hindus and the RSS in these cases. The Central Bureau of Investigation which has one such letter alleging pressure from senior Congress leaders to implicate the RSS will now probe the matter and put out a report.
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The case has taken various turns and after the chargesheet has been filed, one of the accused in the Ajmer blast case, Bhavesh Patel accused the National Investigation Agency of a false probe. I am under pressure to implicate my co-accused and the NIA has been dictating terms to me. The same accused has also written to the CBI alleging pressure from the Home Minister, Sushil Kumar Shinde, Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh and others to implicate the RSS in this case.
Prior to this two other accused Mukesh Vasani and Raj Singh had accused the NIA of offering them Rs 1 crore to name RSS leaders in the Sunil Joshi murder case. The NIA had told us that charges would be withdrawn against us, if we implicated RSS leaders…
Excepts from Aseemanand gets bail in 2007 Samjhauta Express blast case, AUG 28 2014
…Swami Aseemanand, an accused in 2007 Samjhauta Express blast case, was on Thursday granted bail by Punjab and Haryana high court but he is unlikely to come out of jail as he is facing trial in two other blast cases.
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During the hearing on the bail plea, which was going on for the past three days, Aseemanand’s counsel Satyapal Jain on Thursday contended that there was no evidence of the accused’s involvement in the case. Only 35 out of total 299 witnesses have been examined in the case during almost four years, the defence counsel said, adding that he has been “falsely implicated†in the case.
Excepts from Aseemanand gets bail in 2007 Samjhauta Express blast case, AUG 28 2014
…Swami Aseemanand, an accused in 2007 Samjhauta Express blast case, was on Thursday granted bail by Punjab and Haryana high court but he is unlikely to come out of jail as he is facing trial in two other blast cases.
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During the hearing on the bail plea, which was going on for the past three days, Aseemanand’s counsel Satyapal Jain on Thursday contended that there was no evidence of the accused’s involvement in the case. Only 35 out of total 299 witnesses have been examined in the case during almost four years, the defence counsel said, adding that he has been “falsely implicated†in the case.
Also read comment #56 above