Open Thread to discuss “Youth and Politics” – UPDATED

Pl continue the discussion on Offstumped Live here via the comments section…

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*** Excerpts from the Transcript of the Online Discussion: Long, but fascinating post ***

Don’t miss the four online polls and their results (inline)

Ashwin Kumaraswamy:  Youth can be broadly be defined as one who has uncluttered throught process, may be between the age group of 16 – 40

Dipinder Sekhon: There are two ways of thinking about it: based on age … say 18/20 to 35/40 could be called “youth” … the other (better in my opinion) is to think of “mindset”

Amit Malviya: In the political context and from the perspective of nation building it is anyone who cares and is willing to do something about it. These are people with aspiration and importantly the ability to shape their future and that of the Nation. I call them Middle India.

Ashwin Kumaraswamy:  I agree with Dipinder on the issue of mindset

Dipinder Sekhon: Youthful midset is full of positive energy, less cynical, has the advantage of ignorance to pick up large challenges

Online Poll: What is youth?
18-30 ( 26% )
18-40 ( 53% )
18-25 ( 0% )
18-35 ( 21% )

Shantanu: OK, so although “age” may seem to be imporant, that should not be the deciding criteria. Is that right?

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Yes – i agree
Amit Malviya:  I don’t agree that age is important.
Dipinder Sekhon: Yup Shantanu Ji …. but there is a strong correlation between the age band and “youth mindset” … though we should acknowledge exceptions and include them in youth
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: age is important because of certain attributes which are infectious such as idealism, dare to dream and also ones mind which is uncluttered
Amit Malviya: Its the intent that is critical.

Shantanu: Let me move on to the next question which is getting to the core of the issue…Why should youth be involved in politics at all?
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Intent is critical absolutely – no one disagrees with it, but as one gains experience, there is an inherent realism that kicks in which needs to be tempered
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: In my view there are three main reasons why we need youth to engage with Politics

• Politics is a medium and a platform which makes decisions that have an ever lasting impact on the society at large – the decision making would become skewed if youth are not part of the decision making process
• Political decision making at times is a thankless job – in my observation all politicians start with being idealists but soon grow out of it – younger generation have infectious attributes such as “idealism, passion, energy, mind to dream without any restrictions and un cluttered “ which would act as check and balance to the rest of the political class
• Most importantly young India needs a young shoulder to carry the responsibility of steering India in this 21st century – how long can we rely on Manmohan Singh, Pranab Mukherjee, L K Advani, Sharad Pawar, Mulayam, Lalu, Mayawati, Karunanidhi, H D Devegowda and others….Is it not time to give them some well deserved rest for all the hard work they have put in the last 4 decades.

Shantanu: Isnt politics today a dirty cesspool where you are more likely to end up frustrated and disapppinted – and worse significantly poor off financially than if you were gainfully employed?
Comment From ramkumaran ramkumaran : youth is important because that is the uncorrect age with lots of hope
Comment From Gaurav Patwa Gaurav Patwa : i agree with amit

Dipinder Sekhon:
The state of governance in India is very poor – criminals and corrupt are entering politics in droves. It is difficult to change old mindsets, long living change can come only from the youth

Amit Malviya: We are all fully aware of the state of our nation. What happened to India that it got into this state? It must be that incompetent people have been at the helm of affairs since India’s independence — and perhaps even before. Our parents were not in politics. They left it to others. What would our parents say to us if we were to ask them, “Why didn’t you do something?” What will you tell your children and your grandchildren when they ask you, “What were you doing? Why didn’t you care enough to do something when you could see that the country was going to hell?”  What would you tell your children should motivate you to do something now. Big reason for youth to engage.

Online Poll: How Should youth b engaged in Politics
Start a new party ( 7% )
Work as Interns ( 33% )
Join Orgs like FoBJP etc (60% )

Shantanu: So: here are the steps to “HOW:
1. register to vote
2. join an existing/new pol gouping
3. make people aware o the issues
4. Try and make your elected rep accountable
fair summary?

Shantanu: Actually, step 2 can come later…how about this sequence….
1. regir to vote
2. make ppl aware of issus
3. make elected reps accounable
4. get involved with some pol group?

Dipinder Sekhon: Yup – as a sequence this is fine …. but again, it is important to get to stage 4 …. Just 1-3 are not enough
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: I agree with the process suggested by Shantanu, but point 2 and point 3 needs to be well defined and need to see that it does not go down the way of beign arm chair critics

Shantanu: we all agree that it is good to register.,.and good ot make your elected rep accountable…can I spend 5mins on exactly how does one make an elected rep accountable?
Dipinder Sekhon: Yes – sure. One very good step maybe to track budgets and investments. Prevent leakage of funds … “more transparent buget and financial processes” with strong public scrutiny may help to a very large extent

Shantanu: But what leverage do you have? How can you make sure your voice is heard? Any ideas?
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Every elected member has a constituency office, the constituents can actuall;y get their issues addressed through his or her office. Also as a powerful votign block constituents shsould routinely ask their representatives to engage with the constituents to understand where they stand on issues and reflect that rather than merely following the party line

Shantanu: So RTI perhaps?
Dipinder Sekhon: RTI, and making people around aware – through media, email campaigns maybe – could be useful in shaping public opinion

Shantanu: Good points Ashwin,Dipinder…I think we have lost Amit for a while…hopefully he will be back…on to the issu of raising awareness…role of media etc…

Shantanu: OK guys: Lets concentrate now on the MOST important (and difficult) question I think: existing vs new/…

Online Poll: Will a new Political party with youth focus succeed
Yes ( 28% )
No ( 72% )

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: I dont think there is time to build new organisation!!!
Dipinder Sekhon: Shantanu – it may not be easy to argue for Or against new or existing
Amit Malviya: The idea is to identify with a political discourse and try and bring about the kind of change you want to see through them.
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Good example is Lokparitran – started with great fan fare, but sad to see it degenerated based on ones egos

Dipinder Sekhon: Key point against existing – they have been there for long, they are rotten to the core, complete change is required, it is not possible to reform them now as wrong practices and processes have become too deep rooted

Amit Malviya: I disagree with Dipinder. A party is made of people. If you fill a glass half full with muddy water with clean one – the level of mud will reduce.
Dipinder Sekhon: Do we have examples of political organisations reforming totally themselves in terms of ideologies Or ethics?

Dipinder Sekhon: We probably have more examples of revolutionary changes from new groupings?

Shantanu: Can I ask a deliberately provocative question (building on what apgo commented a min ago): Will registering, talking, town halls etc really help? or does one have to get fully immersed…and be prepared to face a lifetime of misery, hardship and struggle… Are we being too idealistic (and perhaps naive)?

Dipinder Sekhon: The latter Shantanu Ji …. discussions/townhalls/education – are ultimately with the hope that better people enter politics …. who could things …including systemic changes (eg. campaign finance)
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Unfortunately there is no magic formula to brign about engagement Shantanu

Vijay Vikram : Shantanu is absolutely right. It echoes a point earlier by Amit. a) It is a small bunch of committed men who’ll bring about political renewal in India. b) If you are committed to political renewal you have to prepared to face a lifetime of misery and hardship.

Shantanu: Key take-aways so far:
Get involved (register yrself; vote; ask questions of yr rep)
Get engaged: become aware, join existing, new pol organsiation
spread awareness: get others interested.

Shantanu: BUT
it will be a long process
possibly very painful, frustrating…
possibly may cause enormous hardships
..

My own three paise – what I fondly call the 3 “I”s.
1. Get interested (and get others interested)
2. Get informed (and make others aware)
3. Get involved (join a new or an existing pol formation)

Comment From jemin_p: @TO ail: 1st n most important q: how much comfort a youth feels in current system of politics; problem is nt wid ideologies i guess; problem is wid adaptation to the new wrld; accepting new ideas n catching the pulse of new generation
Comment From BJPSupporter: I suggest FoBJP to strengthen its organisation and rope in yougsters from the elite educational institutes. Also,e-registration should be made available to involve all those netizens who comprise of the huge support BJP enjoys online!
Comment From aaindian: Our youth leadership is a shadow of the old brigade with family members ruling the roost. The entry barrier for real youth leaders is very high. Consistent hard work, preserverence and thought leadership is must to shape India
Comment From Vikram Ahuja: Elected reps have to be made more accountable & answerable about their promises.
Comment From ramkumaran: coming to the point how can dynasty youth favour be reduced, those who get chance are from the existing politicos dynasty only this happens in many partie

Comment From AkhilRana: TO ALL: Why have Media & People been very critical of People like Baba Ramdev entering into politics? He seconds thoughts that are the need of the hour. What does the Panel think of him for coming into Politics ?

Comment from jemin_p: @amit: we all are mistaken here; youth n educated yoiuth is reqd to manage politics and not to do mindless work; hence interaction is reqd/ b informed/ manage things/propogate the idea to help … kaam toh koi bhi karega ..bt to make ill formed thing is wat is reqd .. n thts wat we r supposta do as informed youth

Comment From apgo2000: About the analogy of adding clean water to make the glass of muddy water cleaner. What if it isnt mud, just algae that will grow in the cleaner water too? All the youth bodies that i have engaged in are run by youngsters with connections, with an objective to pocket more money. They are as corrupt as the existing parties, only on a smaller scale. The new “idealists” who join just become as corrupt in a matter of time.
Comment From Rohith Nathan: @ amit . because everyone has to start at the lowest rank . they have to stick posters . catch flags etc . thats not what educated youth want to do . ‘youth cadre’ basically does all the leg work . at least thats how it is in TN
Comment From trailblazr: I agree with Amit. The BSP is an example that all new political groupings don’t work in national interest. Problem with Indian political parties seems to be that they all take up specific causes which serve specific people. Hence, automatically creating boundaries. Even if they didn’t intend to.
Comment From apgo2000: @ Shantanu and Amit. Both of you said it will be difficult process and painful one. How difficult and painful? Is death a fair price to pay? When all governance bodies including youth bodies are tainted, how many youth will be willing to risk their lives to make their voice heard? India has no whitleblower’s policies. Even IAS and their families are hacked to death for raising voice against corruption. How difficult is difficult?

Guys: completely agree that entry barriers are high…which is why we need to come together…to stand on each others shoulders and reach higher…
Pl PLEASE join one of the existing/ new pol formations…(or even more than one) Does not matter which…

Comment From thinkerspad: The point is that if the Political Parties do not create better platforms for talent recognition, you will find more and more politically active youth wanting to be CEO of their own parties.
Shantanu: @Apgo: difficult means VERY very difficult…If you are really serious about this, make sure your family and loved ones understand the risks – and support you on this …

Comment From apgo2000: @ Dipinder (Older generation being aligned with Nehruvian Socialism and Youth being progressive) I studied in Delhi University. All the youth politicians there still want a socialist policymaking attitude. Progressive? they are far from progressive. They dont want to pay more than Rs 15 per year on quality education and burn down buses when you try to hike fares in an attempt to imporve service. They still want govt provisioning for food, and cafeteria rates of food to have cieling of Rs 10 in the face of hike in prices.
Comment From jemin_p: @ To all: we must decide the role to b played: rembr every one is nt gud at everything; so deciding a role is imp apart frm bein learned: a person cn b gud leader; nt every can b; few can support logistically; so deciding the role n doing it is imp; bt again grooming n direction frm experience is reqd
Comment From apgo2000: @ All: Is idealism enough or having the right ideals more important?
Comment From KVSarmaJ: @akalpita ji, by how does one get a voter to think about credentials? I mean like some one on a blog wrote, if my uncle stands for election, though i know that his opposition is well learned, I will vote for my uncle!
Comment From quietist: @all do you support the compulsory voting law proposed by the gujarat govt? will it make the youth take more interest in politics?

Comment From संदीप शेळके: Where are the role models? All are killed by congressi raj; Do we see names of Sardar Pateji, SM Mukharji, Lal Lahadur Shashtriji, Rajaji, Netaji Bose given to any new work or the initiative? We see only congressis out there. So how this can inspire the youth?

Shantanu: @Thinkerspad, All: A wordof sincere (and only partly facetious) advice: STOP reading the mainstream newspapers and watching TV to get your news (assuming you have net acess of course)…there is far more that goes on out there which never gets reported – or discussed/

Comment from ipramodv: @all panelists Dont you think the easier way is to join an NGO and do our bit a) we can have the satisfaction of doing our bit b) we wont have pressures of sticking to ideologies c) We need not be sycophants to reach a level and by the time we reach the level forget what we are in there for
Comment From संदीप शेळके: @Shantanu: Why dont good (reach) people help start a media and publishing house? Otherwise every news will me adulterated for sure.

Comment From thinkerspad: @All and Shantanu, how does the youth that otherwise doesn’t get hooked onto twitters and stuff ensure what’s happening beyond MSM? And how do you know each alternative news is true?

Shantanu: @Ipramodv: Let us not kid ourselves…NGO (non-governmental) is NOT the way to solve governmental problems
Amit Malviya: @ipramodv I would argue that see it as being in public life and doing good for the country. The vehicle could be either politics or NGO as you said.

Comment From jemin_p:  @dipinder thts wat; identify roles; a person nt gud orator bt wid ideas will b difficult to lead; bt cnt b discarded he cn b gr8 support; so wrking as per capabilities is imp rather thn mad rush to b politician; evn thr is huge need to pptl to support politics; bt glamour n publicity has diluted the necessity of logistics n ground level wrker
Comment From thinkerspad: @Dipinder there’s no such thing as right or wrong ideology. There’s only right and wrong governance. Ideological debates for youth must be administered through senior and seasoned leaders only.
Dipinder Sekhon: @ipramodv – disagree with you. It may be easier, but may not satisfying if you really want good governance. Eg. you build a school, but govt does not build the school it was supposed to – total number of schools built remains the same …. no change overall (this is well studied … the concept of “fungibility”)

Comment From Akalpita Paranjpe: @ipramodi there are thousands of ngo, and yet, we have not been able to make an iota of change.

Comment From ipramodv: But how do u think a completely new face is going to fetch votes: a) the rich dont vote b) the MSM has a very important role in grabbing the middle class votes and c) the poor often fall for money.

Online Poll: Will you leave your job to join politics
Yes ( 37% )
No ( 26% )
Maybe ( 37% )

Offstumped: Disagree with the idea that politics has to be a full time profession. Many models for part time legislatures Texas has one which meets straight once a year to dispose business while legislators return to their day jobs
Shantanu: quitting u r job is not a prereq though…but frees you up to do more substantive things. I think
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ Dipinder – why should job pressure prevent youth from engaging in politics. It all depends on what lifestyle one needs to have. Take the example of Meenakshi Natrajan, an young MP from a poor backgroudn entered politics because she wanted to brign about change
centerofright: @ssudhir Yes long term change can happen oonly if you can make your time count

Amit Malviya: @centerofright My take on it – don’t quit jobs and join politics till you have a perinial source of income or are financially comfortable. Otherwise you’ll be contributing to corruption at some point. Support from family very important. There several ways to contribute to public life and nation building even when in job.

Comment From संदीप शेळकेसंदीप शेळके: @COR: I’ll be leaving my job by December 2011 and entering full time politics. I dont care about the post I hold or reach. All care that my life would be spent for the dream which I always saw and which didn’t let me sleep
Comment From jemin_p: @centerforright thts d wrong notion; a thanless n payless job will always attract corruption: politics is best eg:. get the workers paid officially n thy wuld b more den ready to join; no 1 like to live on donation types (educated youth). I am ready to work for ideologies i support: bt no shame to wrk 24*7 need to support myself; n if gvn OFFICIAL pay checks nt only me bt many wuld b ready; organize the system

Shantanu: But lets not kid ourselves…full0tmie (clean) politics in India does NOT pay…you either need to have a supporting family/spouse…or a hefty inheritance
Comment From flyfiddlesticks: @COR will definitely not quit job for politics. Right now its seen as a “service” without any means to provide for a family unless corrupt. And that is a disaster.
Comment From Schizo Phrenic: why should politics not pay? and politics is a “job”
Dipinder Sekhon: Agree with Amit – on quitting job

Offstumped: We need to rework the current culture where career politicians are a must. It is important to earn a living outside politics – Nitin Gadkari is a good example
Shantanu: @Schizo: It should(pay) but it does not (in India, at present)

Comment From ramkumaran: @Dipinder rather than pay politicians why not curb their electoral expenses at all , no campaigns or anything just register 2 contest and post your opinions on a govt funded newspaper ad, slot on doordarshan
Comment From quietist: @centerofright, agree with @dipinder on state/institutional funding of elections, why can’t political parties be forced to make their finances transparent?
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Mjority of the important politicians now in India are at a stage where they dotn need to earn from politics

flyfiddlesticks: @amit @COR @shantanu the existing thing about “politics is social service” needs to change. Its a profession. If we complain about Armymen having poor quality of life, why shouldnt we get the politicians on the same basis? The whole hypocrisy is ridiculous and keeps paying the corrupt and screwing the country.

Comment From Schizo Phrenic: @shantanu conceded, but it should not persist that way
Comment From flyfiddlesticks: +1 @jemin. And we cant go 24-7 into politics unless we sacrifice our wellbeing and a family!

Shantanu: ALL: Those hwo cannot join full-time activism need not loose heart. There are many alternative ways to get involved…Start by supporting someone who is already involved…

jemin_p: y do ppl xpect a politician to do a job widout pay; n den say in whisper he is earning crores;

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ thinkerpad If we accept the importance of politics and its impact then – for a young country like India – why is there a lack of quality in efficient and effective political leadership? Youth of India form the largest block of population – if this block is not engaged in political process – how can one steer young India in this 21st century?

Need for continuity of efficient and effective political decision making – Founding fathers of India very young when they engaged with the freedom movement and after independence they provided an environment of democracy to flourish and the current set of political leadership were young when they came one board to steer India through the last 3 decades. It is time for a new set of youngsters to gain experience and eventually graduate to the helm of the political process

Shantanu: Shameless plug: Here is how I managed to move from talk to action(in a very limited way though): https://satyameva-jayate.org/about-me/
I realise evreyone’s circumstances are different.

Dipinder Sekhon: @Ashwin – agreed that revolution needs time, persistance and hard work. Do not agree on enough talent/intent with existing politicians
Amit Malviya: @ Rohith Agree with you. You have to get inside to clean it or even make a meaningful contribution.

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ Dipinder – what is required is not just with policy skills, but most importantly who can take the majority along with him or her!! that is an absolutely necessary
Dipinder Sekhon: I managed to move from talk to action by joining FTI (http://freedomteam.in)

Comment From jemin_p: @shantanu: i may leave d job; if my family earning is secured: cuz despiute i want to change the country i need to feed my family. N by tht i mean feed frm official money n nt bribes: if i m been paid officially: i will join the party which coincides wid my ideology: m nt money mad; bt yes responsibility does shake me up; dunno of others

Dhananjay Bhide: How many of us are told by our parents to join politics..or evenn be politically active..Also, how many of us will ask our children to do so? The buck needs to stop at each one of us to make the difference..
Comment From Sagar Agrawal: Revolution is inevitable…bt for the name sake wont help…
Comment From Nixon Fernando: change is needed the fundamentel way we think… take this example… can an illiterate handle his village?
Comment From apgo2000: @ Dipinder: Where will you get these elected englightened policy knowing people from? There will again be a system for selecting these candidates? And wont that system be as prone to corruption as election of our MPs?

Malvika Saraogi: @all – I agree money is important, but there are other factors also. Otherwise, we could have seen many women (with working husbands to support them) in politics, for example.

Comment From Akalpita Paranjpe: @ dhananjay I for one was told by my mother to work for the country. I did start by joining bharat uday mission and now fti. And, what more, I have told my son to be prepared for the same.
Comment From Schizo Phrenic: i think the very fact that we are here, and talking about politics, hard talk, and have spent hours on twitter/other platforms discussing and networking means we are working and willing to do more, provided platform and leadership

Shantanu: All: Pl do share links of your activities etc so t hat otehrs can have a look too. Thanks

centerofright: @ all Is the youth ready to be the nameless, faceless karyakarthas who worked across partylines if they would like to get into politics or else they just want to be in limelight coz we are educated and percieved to be intelligent?

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ All – i am planning to enter active politics by the next general elections – i have been in the process of engaging with both urban and rural india. What i can say is rural india thinks differently to what we have shared and talked here.!!!

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ Thinkerpad – NREGA for example is a good policy – but its implementation is rather hopeless. The recent audit on NREGA has shown that the funds have been misused at the local level at some places to 90% and on few places the funds are un –used
Amit Malviya: @Ashwin I don’t agree with your views on NREGA. Do you want to create a battery of youth on state doles. I don’t think as a poor nation we can afford that.

Shantanu: @Ashwin, Amit: lets us not make this a cong vs bjp match….no time here…you are welcome to continue with that on my blog, though!

Comment From Schizo Phrenic: NREGA is aweful policy, policies that canoot be implemented are by definition awful, not to say paying pople for diggin up roads and filling them againt makes abs no sense

Amit Malviya: @Shantanu, Its about engaging the youth in productive work for asset creation, More a debate on policy.

shwin Kumaraswamy: @ Amit – we can talk into the merits of NREGA for sure, may be a better platform. it has helped rural india for sure at times of adversity. Until there is a realatively better bridge between rural and ruran india – we sould not talk about equality. Please do visit some villages in south india where NREGA has a positivre impact and also visit soem villagees in MP and UP where they have not had

Amit Malviya: @Ashwin I come from a village incidentally !

Shantanu: @Amit: Completeley agree with you..I’m not a fan of NREAG – asyou know…just want to keep this at aa highr level

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ Amit and others… on the larger question of NREGA can i ask Shantanu to start a different discussion, such that it does not get diluted

Amit Malviya: @Thinkerspad Had it been linked with a scheme like Grameen Sadak Yojana it would have been good. But digging ponds and filling them and sometime not even that is no good economics by any stretch of imagination !
Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ Amit – i come from a village as well…

Amit Malviya: @Ashwim So we should agree to disagree on that one.

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: @ Amit – on NREGA it has been linked with constructive politics.. it is not a mere dole out of money. They need to work. Jobs are created.. it is not like it is free meals
Amit Malviya: @Ashwin I am afraid can’t agree with you on that. If that was the intention there are better ways of doing it !

Amit Malviya: As John F Kennedy said to his nation, “We will do this not because it is easy, but because it is hard.” If you are not working on solving a hard problem, you are wasting your time. You should just go and retire. We all have enough to keep us living a good life. We should just call it quits. I want to know how many here are alright with calling it quits !

Comment From thinkerspad: @Amit So, you are discussing the structure of NREGA. For that matter even Food for Work was good. It directly ensured the basic. SO, we like this gap that you have shown to everyone. Deeper thinking into policy implementation is needed and Youth is invited to join politics for that.
Comment From Schizo Phrenic: @shantanu KEY question unanswered or needs to be summarrized: HOW does one encourage youngsters to enter politics

Dipinder Sekhon: Closing comments: Important for Indian youth and civil society to engage in direct politics, in addition to being politically aware and inspiring others; A revolution of the scale of a “second freedom struggle” (this time for our economic freedoms) is what is required; unlikely for the change to come from the large existing political parties – they are rotten to the core; need to improve incentives for ethical/competent folks to enter politics eg. well paid politicians, state funding of elections etc; just good intent not sufficient, need proper goal oriented ideologies and policies; need to learn from failed small party experiments of the past in India, and successful ones in history and world over

Shantanu: KEY QUESTION: How does one encourage youngsters to get involved?
By setting a personal example…
Show by action…as all our panelists are doing – in their own different ways.

Dear All: Pl continue the discussion here: https://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/03/27/open-thread-youth-politics/
I promise to read ALL comments…and to reply to each to the extent that I can…

Ashwin Kumaraswamy: Thanks for the opportunity offstumped and Shantanu !!! Also best wishes to everyone to engage in active politics!!!
Amit Malviya: Thank your moderators and those who participated. It was a great learning. Thank you once again.

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