Uh, Oh!
How many of you missed this? I did (emphasis added).
Prior to the 13th round of India-China boundary talks, Indian defence and security agencies reported an increased spurt in “intrusions” and “incursions” by the Chinese, particularly in the western sector.
Not suprising.
But this is worrying:
…on June 1, a combined Indian Army-ITBP patrol was intercepted by the PLA in Depsang Bulge and forced to turn back after the PLA planted vehicles in front and behind the Indian patrol vehicle and escorted it back across the Chinese “perception of the LAC”. Later in the month, Chinese air force helicopters again flew across the LAC in the Chushul area in J&K.
And just in case the message is not clear:
“Chinese military expert Long Tao commented that…”China won’t sacrifice its sovereignty in exchange for friendship. Therefore, India should not have any illusions with regards to this issue.”
Hat Tip: Pragmatic.
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Here are two articles which show how deluded India has been since Nehru about the nature of the Chinese and their imperial aspirations.
http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/aug/11/indias-ties-with-china-healthy-says-tharoor.htm
http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=5036937
China is probably already at war with India and not only in the border “disputed” areas. What I want to know is who exactly is funding our various communist parties and the marxist (naxalites) in various states?
Indeed Harapriya…I am posting some extracts below from the second link:
And this on the heels of the statement from the Naval Chief: India no match for China, says Navy chief
Here are some more excerpts.
It is amazing that they recognize something we don’t or refuse to–that it is only Hinduism that unites us, not our regional, language or caste identities.
That dingbat Shishi tharoor still mouths “india china bhai bhai”
With droughts, socialism, a government elected by perfidity (EVM fraud, to be specific) and all the news of india china bhai bhai and india pukistan bhai bhai gives me the chills.
We’re back to the nehruvian stalinist era of the 60s, with slow growth, all round war and a purchased administration.
Worse days lie ahead
these articles published today by economic times and times of india would also be relevant.
1. Link 1
2. Link 2
sridhar
The above think tank article only reveals what has been going on: link
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Of course, given our less evolved life-forms in positions of power, the mindless jingoism, the various 5th columns, lack of intellectual depth in formulating a multi-level response to the issues confronting the country, the lack of a justice system, the mind numbing corruption and sloth, and the obsession with emulating failed states like Pakistan in terms of rights, freedoms, accountabilities et al, it is a wonder that nothing major has yet happened!
The comment from the chinese think tank is understandable but the utterance of Naval Chief is not. This man is responsible for the morale of his force, I find it utterly irresponsible and immensely harmful on his part to say some thing like that.
I tried to lodge a protest on Indian govt portal http://india.gov.in .. guess what .. their login system does not work .. it logs me in .. and on the next page logs me out automatically .. so much for a national flagship mission mode e-governance project.
I tried to go the ministry of defence website to write a protest and their feedback link says “404 page not found”.
🙁
A different way to represent India’s approach to national security.
“It is amazing that they recognize something we don’t or refuse to–that it is only Hinduism that unites us, not our regional, language or caste identities”
Excellent comment Harapriya’ji
Why msm skipped this major news. Why the government is not taking any steps? something is going on.
Pl. see this link
Are We Deceiving Ourselves Again? …. as ARUN SHOURIE pointed out in his book last year … it is no surprise that inspite of patel’s warnings nehru screwed up … it was by design and negligence … now history seems ready to repeat ..
and speaking of ARUN SHOURIE …
shantanu .. what happened to the write up you promised about arun shourie’s (g)ripping 4 part series fully exposing the bigotry at the helm in the bjp ?
would it be far from the truth to say that bjp backing bloggers like u ,bhavananda , sandeep , indianrealist and the like have conspicuously stayed away from arun shourie , esp after the elections? is there a story behind this looking the otherway?
AG: Worse days lie ahead
Sadly, I think that may be true.
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Thanks for the links Sridhar
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That is really sad, J but I am so glad that at least you tried to do something…The easiest thing to do is to lapse into indifference, apathy…
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@ Akshar: Very apt…and scary too…
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@ Vivekam: what happened to the write up you promised about arun shourie’s (g)ripping 4 part series fully exposing the bigotry at the helm in the bjp?
Yes, this is in the offing…The title is ready: “Is this the Beginning of the End?”
Expect it sometime this week.
Not sure why other bloggers have stayed away from Shourie-ji. I still have the highest regard for him – especially after what he has written…More on this soon.
@ shantanu
… that is re assuring … we will wait to see that … but what is this business of neglecting ARUN SHOURIE and sinha …. do u seriously think the bjp is really gonna reform doing things like this …. looks like the top brass does not have the balls to face some honest criticism but still wants all power …. this is delusional on the part of the party …. there can be nothing wrong about how shourie expressed himself thru the media … this is not a private party .. they need to face criticism in the open thru more such transparent debates and exchanges … ignoring such useful people is not the right thing to do …
and btw i have noticed that my comments regarding arun shourie in this vein dont seem to make it to the screen on FRIENDSOFBJP ….may be i am wrong ?!! is it because his views are neglected there too ?.. how else can u explain that there has been no mention about his 4 part series even in discussions? isnt that one of the most important piece of advice the party needs to look at to re-invent itself? instead they choose to brush it all under the carpet and throw him out of discussions … do u think they deserve to win elections?
More worrying news:
Army confirms violation of Indian air space by Chinese copters
The Indian Army on Monday said that China violated the Indian air space in Leh in Jammu and Kashmir.
Two Chinese helicopters reportedly violated the Indian air space in the recent months in Leh. The helicopters air-dropped some canned food in a barren land at Chumar, northeast of Leh, along the border on June 21.
The Chinese People’s Liberation Army has been crossing over into the Indian side in this region quite frequently with August reporting the maximum number of incursions. In August this year, Chinese patrols have entered into the Indian territory 26 times and walked away with petrol and kerosene meant for jawans of the border guarding forces…
Border with China most peaceful: Krishna:
I could not read any more after the last sentence…
Foreign Minister Krishna’s comment needs to be put into context. The Chinese incursions may not have involved terrorism on the same scale as the Islamists, the threats made to the inhabitants need to be taken seriously. China has Pakistan to do its own bidding and the recent ceasefire violations have been coordinated with the Chinese actions. The message China is sending out to India is either defend your borders or risk losing territory to China. I am concerned on two counts. India’s defeat at the hands of China would not lead to the fall of the Sonia government with her poodle Pratiba Patil as the President. The disary in the BJP has left no opposition worth its name to defend the honour of India. Even the Indian military is so compromised that it is incapable of taking independent actions under Nehru’s paralysis. It is not surprising that both China and Pakistan are confident that their attacks would not go unanswered. That is the extent of India’s betrayal by its leaders.
Incursions? Nah, just checking-in…. See brief exerpt below (emphasis mine):
After China, Pakistan:
Increase in infiltration from Pakistan side: Chidambaram
Tavleen Singh writing in IE, “A foreign policy for wimps”:
…While the Home Minister was finally showing some spunk, the Minister of External Affairs was swanning around Delhi’s five star hotels. Now that he has been turfed out by orders of his High Command, can he please get down to some serious work? While he was lotus eating in the Maurya Hotel’s most expensive suite, Chinese troops crossed into Indian territory and made a mockery of national security by spending an afternoon painting Chinese graffiti on Indian stones. Can we not at least throw those wretched stones back across the border with India written on them? Can we not tell China that one more incursion into our territory will result in serious consequences? Chinese incursions into Indian territory have nearly doubled in the past two years but we continue to behave as if this was just routine cross-border fun.
Our friendly behaviour has not inspired any reciprocity from the Chinese. Quite the opposite has happened. The Chinese treat us with such open contempt that they dare to object publicly to the President of India visiting Arunachal Pradesh and make a noisy protest to the Asian Development Bank when it offers to loan us some money for a water project in Arunachal. Why do we allow China to get away with this kind of thing?
Why do we not, at the very least, raise our voice in the forums of the world to point out that China is a very, very bad country. Its main contribution to international affairs has been to support some of the worst regimes in the world. North Korea, Myanmar and Sudan to mention only three. The monsters who rule these countries would not be able to treat their people worse than animals if they did not have China’s loving support.
Subramanian Swamy in The Hindu: The most potentially dangerous reality of the Sino-Indian relation today is India’s abdication of vital national interests for the domestic political survival of ruling coalitions.
Excerpts from China’s naval nationalism: Has A K Antony blinked?:
…As Beijing revels in its newly minted naval nationalism, New Delhi seems determined to curb the Indian Navy’s enthusiasm to raise the nation’s maritime profile.
The MoD’s decision, at the eleventh hour, to pull the services out of a multilateral naval exercise in the Western Pacific last week, begs some serious questions. Is the Minister of Defence, A K Antony, in sync with India’s naval aspirations? Or has he begun to feel the heat from the Chinese pressures on our land borders?
Questions about his uncertain naval vision arose when he refused to let the Navy join the international operations against pirates in the Gulf of Aden last year. As Antony dithered for long before saying yes, Beijing used the international concerns on piracy to mount its first ever expeditionary naval operation into the Indian Ocean.
As it completes its year-long deployment in the Indian Ocean, Beijing is now eager to expand its maritime cooperation with the US and other western powers that have begun to acknowledge China’s rise as a naval power.
The Indian Navy, which has a longer record of modern operations at sea and enjoys many maritime advantages over China, appears increasingly tied down by the terrible timidity of the MoD’s political leadership.
In contrast, the Chinese Communist Party has embarked on a massive mobilisation of naval nationalism. CCP chairman Hu Jintao repeatedly talks of China’s “manifest maritime destiny”. Thanks to the CCP campaign, Chinese citizens are turning up in droves to offer personal donations to help Beijing build aircraft carriers.
If Antony thinks he is being ‘nice’ to the Chinese by cancelling exercises in the Western Pacific, he has no inkling of how Beijing thinks. The Chinese respect those with the will to power, and they mount relentless pressure on those who wilt.
…It is that strategic parity that will provide the basis for a much needed maritime dialogue and cooperation with China. But if New Delhi is eager to offer unilateral naval concessions, why blame Beijing for turning up the heat?
Very apt title (of the post) re. this piece of news (emphasis added):
General alert: Chinese troops on Indo-Pak LoC
Rahul Singh, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, April 05, 2011
One of the senior-most army commanders in the country has dropped a bombshell by declaring that Chinese troops are stationed on the line of control (LoC) between India and Pakistan. Lt Gen KT Parnaik, who heads the operationally critical Northern Command, warned that China’s military presence in Pa kistan-occupied Kashmir was too close for India’s comfort.
Parnaik said, “We hear many people today who are concerned about the fact that if there were to be hostilities between us and Pakistan what would be the complicity of the Chinese. Not only because they are in the neighbourhood but the fact that they are actually stationed and present on the LoC.”
…The possibility of China and Pakistan joining forces in India’s farthest frontiers, illegally occupied by the two neighbours, would have “direct military implications†for New Delhi, a defence ministry report had warned two years back.