Of Students and Sadhvis…

While on media, an apt post by Offstumped which makes two important points:

It is now clear that the Communal Socialists in the media would not rest till the phrases “Hindu Terrorism”, “Hindutva Terrorism” and “Hindu Terrorists” gain enough currency to completely dilute India’s War on Terror and strategic response to Terrorism that swears by Islam and Jihad.

It is disturbing to note that some who swear by Hindu Dharma are relishing the currency these phrases are gaining.

It is disturbing not only because they maybe condoning terrorism but more importantly because of their lack of intellectual clarity that makes them succum to the media’s Orwellian tactics.

Here is why the application of these phrases is patently wrong.

Reason #1 – To date there is not even a shred of evidence to conclude that there is a conspiracy to commit acts of Terror by any organization let alone one that swears by Hindutva

Reason #2 -Even if we were to indulge the theory floated in the media to date there is no factual basis to establish that those who have committed these acts of Terror have sought moral sanction from Hindu Dharma

It is critical to make this important distinction

– There is a variety of Terrorism that swears by tenets of Islam and goes to great length to quote from the Quran and Hadiths to seek moral sanction for its actions

– It does not exclusively target one community and is generally secular in its choice of victims

To date we have not been presented with any claims of responsibility by anyone by claiming moral sanction from any tenets of Dharma or any remotely hindu oriented doctrine of ancient or modern origin.

If anything that can be told of these acts of terror in Malegaon and Modass it is that they were targetted at areas with a high probability that the victims would be Muslim.

Offstumped Bottomline: Hence the correct phrase to describe these acts of Terror would be “Anti-Muslim” terrorist acts and those who have committed these to be “Anti-Muslim” terrorists. It is important to counter the media’s Orwellian bluster by exposing its intellectual skulduggery and by emphasizing intellectually sound phrases to characterize the nature of these acts.

regarding the repeated lies that the rotten media seems hell bent on propagating, whom are we trying to convince?
people like rajdeep sardesai/ barqa dutt/ prannoy roy and co ( english speaking yellow journals/ media and tv houses) know very well what they are doing.
the smear campaign they have started isnt new, neither will it fade away.
cos they are funded by anti hindu and anti bharat forces who have a set agenda. the only way we can destroy these scum bags is to cut off their arterial money flow – from saudi and vatican.
this will be possible if we vote a strong government to power that brings in tough steps to curb the rotten media.
the media in india is as toxic and dangerous as the malignant politicians and the corrupt judiciary which have repeatedly abused our beloved nation.
However lets not for a second doubt the intelligence of the masses.
we know what happened in gujarat and in karnataka.
inspite of the news channels embarking on a single point agenda of perverting truth, the yellow journals and media burnt their fingers repeatedly.
these days news channels have become soap operas themselves and the common man beleives what he wants to beleive in.
hardly 10% of the population would actually be swayed by what these channels have to say. agreed the lies being repeated over and over again might sound like truth but eventually truth always prevails.

having said this, we need a dedicated news channel, in hindi, english and some regional languages that can spread the truth and disseminate the content of websites like shantanu’s blog and several other like minded people. radha rajans vigil online is also worth mentioning here.
having a dedicated news channel will go a long way in our final goal of ridding bharat off its present crop politicians.
can anyone advice me what it would cost in starting a news channel? and can a group of dedicated NRIs actually do this?
since indian media these days beleives in cheap sensationalism, it would be wonderful to have a hard hitting news channel which combines truth with sensationalism.
it would be like pay back time.
but in the meantime its better we dont lose sleep over what ndtv and cnn ibn has to say becos watching such news channels only make your blood boil and is detrimental to our well being. i doubt even if prannoy roy watches it. ndtv and cnn/ibn is flatulence at its best.

It is simply a Congress game-plan to counter their support to Jihadi terror, Jhadi bomb blasts acorss the nation, and muslim appeasement. Congress is exposed having league with Jiahdi terror organizations SIMI, Indian Mujaheedin and many others. Congress, Mulayam, Lalu, Paswan openly supports SIMI and IM.

Congress leader Salman Khursid, close to Congress head, defended SIMI in courts, and till now Congress never said SIMI, IM are terror organizations, despite ban by the Supreme Courts. Congress don’t like to call Asom serial bomb blasts are work of Jihadis, but trying to divert to foreign forces. How come foreign Jihadi forces blasts serial bombs without local Jihadi supports? Asom is full of Jihadi terror organizations, made-up of illegal bangladeshi Jihadis.

It is also a Congress ploy to deviate real issues of price rise, inflation, internal securty, Jihadi terror blasts across the nation. They trying to fix Hindus on a fabricated case, with the help of sickular medias. Sickular media already closed the chapter of Asom bomb blasts. Whatever news we see on Asom blasts, they are clean certificates to Congress and Jihadis.

This case is a total fabrication, as till now they could not come out with a dust of evidence. Fabricated case on Sadhvi and others will not work. Truth having its own power to defeat untruth.

Congress govt in Maharastra in 1993 Mumbai serial blasts said, one of the blasts was in mosque and muslim areas, so hindus should not feel it is Jihadi attacks on Hindus. Sarad pawar, who was CM, confessed this later on TV, as he did it to difuse Hindu anger and backlash. But it was a lie, blatent lie, to fool Hindus.

Anti-Hindu Congress and its dirty designs must be exposed before whole nation. Hindus must wake up from silence, self-seeking approach, and secular traps.

This is the beginning of the end of anti-Hindu Congress. No self-respected Hindus will be part of anti-Hindu and pro-Jihadi Congress. What anti-Hindu Congress thinks, when they termed 1 billion plus Hindus as terrorists, does Hindus of Congress party excluded from terror tag?

Todays Congress is the mother of all terror. They terrorising the Hindus in the last few years. It filed affidavit in the Supreme Court declaring Sri Ram does not exists and Ramayan is a fiction. Then they filed another affidavit declaring Ram destroyed his own bridge and this bridge is not core of Hindu dahrma. Congress decides what is core or not core of Hindu faith. Enough is enough.

We hereby declare, we 1 billion plus Hindus are proud to be terrorists (or whatever terms suits to anti-Hindu forces) and save our nation and dharma, than live as third class citizens persecuted, terrorised, abused, insulted and humiliated by the anti-Hindu Congress-Sickular brigades.

Our salute to Nirav Rana and his mother. We need such courageous Hindus, and not self-seekers and agents of Jihadis and christian missionaries.
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Cong man with saffron heart: NSUI leader punished for supporting sadhvi

Surat, November 3: Rana had launched Vishwa Hindu Seva Samiti; his mother is the state INTUC vice-president

Nirav Rana, who announced the new Hindu outfit, the Vishwa Hindu Seva Samiti (VHSS) in support of Sadhvi Pragya, here on Sunday, has turned out to be major embarrassment for the Congress.

Nirav is the acting vice-president of the National Students’ Union of India (NSUI) — the students’ wing of the Congress in Surat. Besides, Urmilla Rana, his mother, an ex-Congress councillor, is the vice-president of the Gujarat unit of the Indian National Trade Union Congress.

His mother also said his son was right in his actions. “My son took a decision and expressed his feelings. We are Hindus and so we should fight to protect ourselves. Sadhvi Pragya is innocent. Various tests like brain mapping and polygraphy among others were conducted on her but nothing came out of them. She should be released,” she said.

read more here.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/cong-man-with-a-saffron-heart-nsui-leader-punished-for-supporting-sadhvi/381153/

‘Hindu terrorism’ – see the writing on the wall

Excerpts.
“Consequently, bearing in mind the words of the late Mr. S.R. Das, once Law Member of the Governor-General’s Executive Council, which appeared in the famous letter he had addressed to his son, to the effect that the ‘Bomb was necessary to awaken England from her dreams’, we dropped the bomb on the floor of the Assembly Chamber to register our protest on behalf of those who had no other means left to give expression to their heart-rending agony.

Their fears of Hindu nationalism have brought this nation to the brink of self-destruction wreaked by jihad and the evangelical church, aided and abetted by India’s secular anti-Hindu polity. Sadhvi Pragya, Sameer Kulkarni, Maj. Upadhyay, Lt. Col. Purohit signal the determined rise of Hindu nationalism. Hindu terrorism? Call it what you will – but see the writing on the wall. The war shall continue.

read here.
http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=228

This is by far the most serious bit of news in this development and…easily the most unsettling…

The Mumbai Police on Wednesday arrested a serving Lieutenant Colonel for allegedly supplying money and explosives for the September 29 Malegaon blast. This is the first instance of an army officer being held in connection with with a terror attack.

I have said this before on this blog…In a democracy, ONLY the State has legitimacy to use force.

Anyone else who does that is effectively working against the national interest…and that cannot be excused. .

P.S. Some hair-splitting going on here:

New Delhi: The Army on Wednesday denied arrest of Lieutenant Colonel Srikant Purohit by Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) in connection with the September 29 Malegaon blasts.

The army officer, who came under the scanner for his alleged role in the blasts, was stationed at the Army Education Corps Training College and Centre at Pachmarhi in Madhya Pradesh. He was doing a course in Arabic at the Army Education Corps College.

“The officer is not under arrest. He has been accordingly detained by the ATS for the questioning. The Army Headquarters will take a further view on the matter based on progress of investigation by the ATS an availability of additional evidence, if any,” said Veerendra Singh, APRO Army.

TOIlet paper continues to be loyal to its financiers:

“The ATS said it was investigating the role of three Gujarat VHP leaders in the Malegaon blasts.”

As I had posted earlier, the first news regarding this (Sadhvi’s involvement) was reported by TOI by frnt page title something like: “Hindu organizations behind blasts”…

Dear Sir,
Welcome to the great Indian discovery! I am sure if the ATS goes back a few more years may be 40 to fifty they will be able to link the Sadhvi and Purohit to the killing of The Mahatma and JFK.
I am sure if they go back a litle more they can link them to the assaination of Lincoln.
A little more to Sivaji killing the Muslim General.
A little more they can link up with Tutankahamen as he is was supposed to have been murdered.
Can they link her to the crusifiction!
Regards,
vck

Nagori narco test calls ATS bluff
Rakesh K Singh | New Delhi

SIMI chief admits to role of banned outfit, jihadi elements in Samjhauta, 2006 Malegaon blasts

Gives clean chit to Army officer Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya

The report of the narco analysis test on SIMI commander Safdar Nagori and his close aides takes the wind out of the Mumbai Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) probe into the possible involvement of Hindu outfits and Army officers in the Samjhauta Express train blasts. Based on the ATS claims, a Haryana railway police team reached Mumbai on Thursday to interrogate Malegaon blast case suspects Lt Col Srikant Prasad Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur.

The findings of the narco test of Safdar Nagori and his associates, Kamruddin Nagori and Aamil Parvez, show no involvement of Purohit and Sadhvi’s in the Samjhauta Express blasts. On the contrary, they admitted the involvement of the SIMI and jihadi elements behind the train carnage and Malegaon blasts of 2006.

The narco analysis test reports of the trio are with the ATS, Mumbai, which had also questioned the trio arrested by the Madhya Pradesh Police in March.

A joint director-level official of the operations branch of the Intelligence Bureau, responsible for the parallel investigation into the Malegaon blasts, said the Mumbai ATS claims about the involvement of the Sadhvi and Purohit are “far-fetched” as SIMI’s involvement in the case is “beyond reasonable doubt”.

Apart from the Samjhauta Express and Malegaon blasts, Nagori and his associates have also confessed to SIMI’s role and involvement of Muslims in terror attacks in Mumbai, Aurangabad, Hyderabad, Ajmer and the shootout at the American consulate in Kolkata.

Nagori told the team of doctors of FSL, Bangalore, “In the Samjhauta Express blasts, some persons from Pakistan had come and they had purchased the suitcase cover at Kataria Market, Indore. One person from (SIMI) Tanzeem had helped them to get the suitcase cover stitched. SIMI leader Abdul Razak had helped the Pakistanis in the Samjhauta Express blasts.”

Nagori also revealed that Razak had informed him beforehand about the Samjhauta Express blasts. Razak had sought the help of West Bengal SIMI president Misbah-ul-Islam for the Samjhauta explosions. Razak has a number of relatives in Pakistan, according to Nagori’s revelations. Kamruddin Nagori also concurred about Razak’s involvement in the Samjhauta Express blasts.

Kamruddin said during drug interrogation, “There were good relations between Safdar Nagori and Abdul Razak. Abdul Razak had discussed the Samjhauta Express blasts with Safdar Nagori.”

The banned outfit’s commander revealed that meetings were held by SIMI at Kurla, Kapadia Nagar and Mira Road in Mumbai for executing the terror attacks on Samjhauta Express and other blasts in the country. During the drug interrogation, Nagori revealed that SIMI has a strong presence in Maharashtra, including Malegaon, and he was “aware of the complicity of Muslims in the 2006 Malegaon blasts”.The 32-page narco analysis test report of Safdar Nagori, Kamruddin and Aamil Parzez quotes Nagori as having said, “In the Malegaon blasts (2006), some of the Muslim members were involved and that he (Nagori) was aware of it. SIMI members were involved in the Samjhauta Express train blasts.”

Nagori said, “The Maharashtra SIMI members were to take houses on rent to take shelter and to complete the tasks and targets given to them… They were often changing their hideouts.” He admitted that some terrorists from Pakistan had also come to Mumbai and the entire SIMI network in Maharashtra was involved in the Samjhauta Express blasts.

The report states, “He (Nagori) said Asif Khan from Maharashtra is his (Nagori’s) friend and that he is involved in the Mumbai train blasts and the blast at Aurangabad. After the blasts, Abdul Subhan alias Tauqeer and Asif Khan had gone to Hafeez’s house for hiding but did not find him at his place. Asif Khan met Tanvir and Yasir of Sholapur and they both arranged a hideout at Belgaum. Later, Asif was arrested from Belgaum.”

The chargesheet in the Malegaon blasts (2006) case filed by the ATS, Mumbai, concedes the “extensive presence” of SIMI in Malegaon and the outfit’s anti-India designs for waging a war against the Government.

http://dailypioneer.com/134395/Nagori-narco-test-calls-ATS-bluff.html

Oops:

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/army-debunks-ats-claim-that-purohit-sourced-rdx/78309-3.html

…the Indian Army insiders point out that the ATS version of events has several holes.

The ATS claim that Purohit sourced RDX from the Army’s stock is debunked by the Army.

The Indian Army is not known to use or store RDX, say sources. The explosives used by the Army are TNT and plastic explosives (PEK).

Also, explosives seized by the Army in Jammu and Kashmir are either destroyed on the spot or handed over to the police.

Besides, 60 kg of RDX is a huge quantity of explosives. If such a large quantity of explosives goes missing while in the Army’s holds, it would become a subject matter of a major inquiry.

Lt Col Srikant Prasad Purohit was a Major when he was posted in Kashmir as a Military Intelligence officer and that is too low a position to manipulate such huge quantities of explosives.

Also, seizures, in any case are effected by infantry and never by intelligence personnel. Purohit was never imparted, nor did he acquire any expertise in bomb making in the Army.

Great excerpt from Yossarin: Dharma of Counter-Terrorism

So going back to the original question of what is the Dharma of Counter Terrorism ?

The Dharma of Counter Terrorism demands that the agencies of the State execute these operations in a manner that inspires confidence even in its most cynical critics.

Unfortunately in the Malegaon Case while there is a legitimate reason to look for an anti-Muslim Terrorist group the conduct of the ATS through orchestrated leaks to the media and utter incompetence in informing the public of its actions have hurt its credibility and have diminished it as an Institution.

What is the Dharma of society at large in the context of Counter Terrorism ?

The Dharma of Counter Terrorism also demands that society at large be consistent in the freedoms it wants to forego to aid the State in conducting Counter Terrorism.

There is no Dharma in doubting the credibility of the State’s actions just because the accused was of a saintly persuasion.

There is no Dharma in questioning the legitimacy of the State’s actions just because the person tortured was a woman of saintly persuasion.

There is definitely no Dharma in pronouncing the accused innocent even before the Judicial Process has carried out its Dharma to convict or acquit the accused.

There is however Dharma in making a clear distinction between the Judicial Process inside the Court and the Politics of the Case outside the court.

There is Dharma in calling out the conduct of the ATS in leaking information to the media

There is also Dharma in calling out the political rumor mongering by the media that has tarnished reputations by claims based on unattributed remarks by unnamed sources.

It is this distinction that is clearly missing first in the Panipat Conclave’s response to Malegaon over the weekend and in Mr. Advani’s statement yesterday.

So what must the State do in Malegaon and what must the BJP and the media do ?

The State’s Dharma in Malegaon lies in taking immideate measures to make the Peerbhoy case as the Gold Standard and hold its Malegaon investigations to the same degree of professionalism.

The State’s Dharma in future Malegaon like cases would be to use all instruments available to it build a water tight body of evidence before going public with arrests. Some may ask doesnt Dharma demand that the State pre-empt terror. The answer is absolutely yes, the State must act to pre-empt imminent threats of Terror but in the absence of imminent threats the State must rely on other instruments of surveillance to gather a strong enough body of evidence rather than resort to illegal detentions and coerced confessions.

Hence the need for a strong Counter Terrorism Legislative Framework and Federal Agency that allows the State to monitor, pre-empt and arrest so Terror can be defeated like the in the Peerbhoy case rather than detain, coerce and arrest like in the Malegaon Case.

shantanu ,i cannot provide solid backed up proof for all this ,and u must be wise enough to know why ??

Dear Sir,
If that is the truth, it is a sad case of misuse of power and the law of the land.
The truth has to come out someday.
Yes Sir, after SIXTEEN YEARS the CBI has to be truthful and HAD to reopen the Sister ABHAYA case in Kerals and arrest Two Priests for their part in the supposed to be murder.
Lord Krishna says that Kaliyug will be the werst Yug in the realms of the history of mankind. Yes very correctly said, the “FART” left underwater always comes out in the form of bubbles. In the same manner the “FART” of covering up will one day start stinking and the clean up will happen.
That is the TRUTH of Kaliyug. The Yug of Truth.
Let us wait for the action to begin.
Regards,
vck

The mask falls off

The Pioneer Edit Desk

ATS inquiry appears to be sinister plot

There is now further evidence, if at all it is needed, to suggest that the so-called investigation by the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad into the Malegaon explosion on September 29 is fast turning out to be a sinister conspiracy. The conspirators appear to be driven by no other motive than to destroy the lives and reputations of individuals, among them a decorated officer of the Indian Army, in the hope of fetching electoral gains for the Congress which is desperate to appease jihadis and their patrons in the wake of the Batla House encounter in which two Muslims, believed to be involved with terror bombings planned and executed by the Indian Mujahideen, were killed. The busting of terror modules and the pace set by the Gujarat Police have also unnerved the Congress and its allies who now feel obliged to be seen as ‘punishing’ Hindus to reaffirm their ‘secular’ credential. Nothing else explains why the ATS should have invoked the stringent Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act on Thursday against the 10 people arrested for their alleged involvement in the Malegaon incident. Ever since the Maharashtra ATS began its witch-hunt, it has not been able to produce even a scrap of sustainable evidence; all that it has done — arguably with remarkable success thanks to those sections of the media which are only too happy to peddle fiction as fact — is to plant fanciful stories through anonymous sources, many of which have been subsequently denied. For instance, the Maharashtra ATS has had to withdraw its stunning claim that the accused were involved in the bombings on Samjhauta Express when confronted with evidence to the contrary. This has, however, not dampened the enthusiasm of the calumniators to defame the accused and deny them their rights under the law of the land. Obviously the Maharashtra ATS could not have functioned in such an outrageous manner had it not been instructed to do so by those in power in New Delhi and Mumbai. The Maharashtra ATS chief is welcome to insist that there is “zero political pressure” on him and his men, but such assertion will impress only the naïve and those who are comfortable with the cynical politics of the Congress which can go to any extent to push its vicious agenda.

It would be in order to record that the Maharashtra ATS has invoked Section 3 of MCOCA against the accused, including Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur and Lt Col SP Purohit, which provides for the death penalty if a crime has led to the death of an individual. By invoking MCOCA, the Maharashtra ATS has also ensured that it can detain the accused for a longer period of time without framing charges against them or being made answerable in a court of law. If in the end the case collapses, those guilty of such blatant abuse cannot be held accountable — they know it, so do their political patrons. This newspaper reiterates that if a crime has indeed been committed, the guilty should be punished through due process of law, irrespective of their status or religious identity. But short-circuiting the process is not the answer; it only raises serious and disturbing questions and indicates unwholesome motives. Meanwhile, we should ponder over the fact that the alacrity with which a tough law that provides for the death penalty has been invoked against ‘Hindu terrorists’ is in sharp contrast to the Congress failing to carry out the death sentence against a convicted jihadi terrorist: Mohammed Afzal Guru will bear out this point.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/135891/The-mask-falls-off.html

Fellow Hindus, Beware of Congress Game-Plan. Their dirty game reached to a bottom low level. Now, if any RSS or Hindu leaders ever get killed by the Jihadis (probability Congress can carry out such design, to wedge divisions among Hindus), they will use this tricks that Hindu terrorists killed RSS leaders.

This is a conspiracy, larger than one can comprehend. But it is a very shallow brain work. Congress created the news of murder through ATS, now Congress will offer protection to RSS leaders. Wow, what a wonderful brain works of Congress spin doctors.

Congress-ATS is running out of spins. They got so scared that all Hindus, HIndu organizations solidified behind the issue. The grave anti-Hindu Congress digging for Hindus, that grave will take them in. Satyameva Jayate, Nanritam. Truth alone triumphs, not falsehood.
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Government will provide protection to RSS leaders: Congress

http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20081121/818/tnl-government-will-provide-protection-t.html

Nagori narco test proves beyond doubt Hindus are being falsely targeted by DHIMMI GOVT.Nagori narco test calls ATS bluff
The Pionner reports
http://www.dailypioneer.com/134395/Nagori-narco-test-calls-ATS-bluff.html

The findings of the narco test of Safdar Nagori and his associates, Kamruddin Nagori and Aamil Parvez, show no involvement of Purohit and Sadhvis in the Samjhauta Express blasts. On the contrary, they admitted the involvement of the SIMI and jihadi elements behind the train carnage and Malegaon blasts of 2006

Political nexus of Maharashtra ATS with Sonia & her gang and the pseudo-secularists for personal gains has become clear. Now, the Amry Police must immediately arrest the entire Maharashtra ATS team and try them in the military court under relevant laws under Army perview for false defamations, before they try to commit further plots and implicate more and more innocent army men under their own hallusinations / under directions from 10, Janpath and other pseudo-secularists.

Unless all the three wings of armed forces protest loudly and openly in unison against this filthy nexus between DHIMMI Politicians, Central intelligence agencies, Maharashtra ATS and jihadi terrorists, there is no doubt that Maharashtra ATS could go any lenght to please its political masters.

ATS is poltically motivated unholy trinity of congress,NCPand SP is behind the conpiracy of defaming hindu religion and for the appeasement of muslims for votes in coming election.

vck , why do people here attack muslims when they want to attack the congress government policies . common muslims are as much victims of these policies as anybody in india .muslims have a very microscopic presence in deciding the policies of this country and other government decisions .is it because we vote for the congress ?? maybe . but do we have many choices ? vck, what choices do u have in voting today in india ? EITHER CONGRESS OR BJP ? same goes with us . we have to choose who we think is the lesser evil for us . hindus may feel that BJP is the lesser evil compared to congress .but even many hindus vote for congress and their allies . dawood ibrahim or abu salem ,are successful underworld figure because there are people in police and law machinery who guide them out of trouble .and all these people are not muslims .crime and corruption in india is the most secular phenomenon . crime and corruption in india can never be committed without the blessings of government officials involved .was the ‘telgi scam’ possibble with only abdul karim telgi at the helm ? can dawood run his mafia empire in mumbai all on his own ??and what are a bunch of SIMI teenagers compared to our armed forces and police machinery ?is the SIMI more sharp minded than RAW or CBI ? I DON’T THINK SO . maybe we should start looking at terrorist attacks and communal riots from a more honest perspective . ‘hindu terrorist ‘ ‘muslim terrorist’ ‘right wing terror ‘ ‘left wing terror ‘ are old ‘run of the mill’ stories now . the untold stories (behind the scenes events ) have to emerge now . arushi case , batla house encounter ,bomb blasts across the country ,communal riots ,rahul raj encounter ,sadhvi pragya ,etc, let all these incidents be probed by a bench of the most honest justice commissons in the country . let us not spare any culprit involved even if he a relative of the ALMIGHTY.yes all this needs to be done because common hindus and common muslims who have nothing to do with violence in this country are feeling the heat.they feel cheated and insulted . religion was meant to seek the truth within our souls ,but today it has become a ritual ‘to hate thy neighbour’.

@ Bharat,
A BIG question: Why are you getting worked up with what ATS is doing?
Isn’t it just carrying out investigation like hundred other investigations carried out earlier against ‘other’ terrorists?
Isn’t your anger and frustration revealing somthing?

@VCK:

You really have a knack for making provocative statements and then disappearing when asked to back up your statement, like your famous “way of life” comments.

And, now:

Gandhi betrayed India? And, Hindus? Really? The one man, who until the last, said no to partition, was the one who betrayed India?

Could you please list out what you consider to be Gandhi’s crimes?

Togadia denies links with Malegaon blast; CBI distances itself

Reacting angrily to the media reports, Togadia said in Ahmedabad they were “false and malafide” and threatened to take legal action for dragging his name into the case.

In New Delhi, the CBI rebutted reports about arrested Lt Colonel Shrikant P Purohit, prime accused in the September 29 blast, having told the agency that Togadia had helped in the formation and funding of Abhinav Bharat.

“It is clarified that no CBI report, as referred in news item, has been prepared or sent to any office. Therefore, the details attributed to be part of the CBI report is not true,” a CBI spokesperson said in a statement.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/000200811241950.htm

vck , the thing u call ‘pseudo secularism’ of ‘islamphobia’ was not encouraged by muslims on their own free will . it was a tacit arrangement between a few greedy self styled muslim leaders propped up by indian national congress and policy makers in political parties who were mostly brahmins .again this pseudo secularism thing was a secular combination of the corrupt forces at work . the common muslim did not benifits in any way from either shah bano or muslim personal law or article 373 . infact,common muslims became targets of hate by right wing hindus for an act ,on which they had no voice .everything was decided between the power brokers ,who were backed by money and government support.vck,just take a close look at the policy makers of the early days of the indian national congress and the communists. u will find it was dominated by mostly brahmins . in uttar pradesh the brahmins always reaped the fruits of power when they stood for congress support,and the congress always got the majority .today , the brahmins are openly in support of mayawati,tommorow they will prop up maybe mulayam singh.as far as muslims are concerned ,only the few greedy leaders of muslims got benifits in terms of a few cabinet berths.thats all.on the bangladeshi migrants issue also it was not supported in any way by common indian muslims .the indian muslims had no say in it .the 1971 war with pakistan,was the reason for the entry of bangladeshi migrants in india,and not common indian muslims .indira gandhi encouraged bangladeshi immigration to show the UN that india cared for the poor bangladeshis who were being butchered by the pakistan army . the common indian muslims were helpless spectators to the events unfolding ,as they themselves were being mentally targetted by right wing hindu groups right from partition days .and vck , why do u expect a handicapped muslim community post partition to be a pillar of strenght for hindus . our presence in government and public matters is very microscopic . our attitude has become like ”nobody cares for us and we in turn care for nobody”.the partition tragedy has turned our lives into caricatures and we have become subjects of ridicule for events on which we have no direct control.m.f. hussain if u read about him is not highly regarded in muslim society and common muslims do not identify with him in any manner . infact ,m.f.hussain is what because a few filthy rich hindus started buying his paintings for amounts in lakhs.so u must address this question to those hindus who made hussain what he is today by buying his expensive paintings .and vck , u forget to note that it was the denmark government running around the world seeking apologies after an initial period of arrogance.leaving u on a high positive note i must say i feel very proud of my country when a hindu neighbour in the holy hindu city of benaras ,walks up to his mulim neighbour , after the sankat mochan mandir blast,puts an arm around his shoulder and tells him ” don’t worry about anything here . this act was committed by our politicans after they got uneasy that hindus muslims were living in harmony post babri demolition ”.that is the face of the real india.JAIHIND.JAIBHARATMATA.SATYAMEVA JAYATE.

@VC Krishnan:

What is Brahmin? Do you have any idea or simply use the term as ritual?

You wrote Sri Aurobindo was a Brahmin? How he was a Brahmin, by birth or by Guna-Karma (quality and action)?

Sri Aurobindo’s real name is Aurobindo Ghosh. He born to a so-called Kayastha family, not a so-called Brahmin family.

He is a true Brahmin, a realiser of Supreme Brahman. He is a Brahmin by his Guna and Karma.

No person born as Brahmin or sudra or anything else. It is the Guna and karma determines one’s level and character. This is what Sanatan Dharma and sastras prescribed and teaches. Nothing else.

As Dr Ambedkar said, “Castism is untouchability. Unless castism goes untouchability will not go.” My saying, “Castism is worst form of racism and insult to human dignity.”

reena singh , this is the problem u people try to create in a honest and probing discussion on matters that concern our countrymen.reena learn to bring hearts and people together , hate will ruin ur life .with vck , i discuss things in a manner where i can learn a lot of good things from him .he is not a hypocrite or a ‘rabble rousers’ , and i find his comments make a lot of sense .here u r trying to divide society by suggesting the benares blast was committed by the ‘batla house ‘ boys .ok,lets agree with u for a moment .but then the same agency that informed u of atif’s confessional statement in custody ,also informed u about the culprits of malegaon blast . one one hand u hang a culprit before he is convicted ,one the other hand u give a clean chit . reena ,u r cheating urself by dividing justice . i suggested before to vck…….let there be a bench of the most honest judges , let us probe all post babri demolition bomb blasts and communal riots in this country ,let us come together as a nation and get these ‘rogues’ face justice. by calling atif a terrorist and saying malegaon is ‘fake’,what are we all trying to prove ?

vck ,can u suggest me a very good and honest book written in english,which celebrate the true teachings of the ‘holy vedas’ in its pure form .the reason why i want to read it and study it is because a few reputed ‘islamic scholars’ have a very high regard for it .how many of us here know that mr.bulent encivit a muslim ,and former president of turkey translated the ‘gita’ into turkish and persian language.a kin of aurangzeb named ‘dara shikoh’ translated a lot of hinduism texts into persian. but these things unfortunately never make headlines.mustapha bulent ecevit was president ,poet,wreiter,and journalist.

shantanu ,i will be very glad if u can devote blog to the works of mustapha bulent ecevit,his deep knowledge of sanskrit language,his interest in tagore and fluent accent of bengali language. he learnt sanskrit and bengali because he wanted to do a deep study of the ‘gita’ ,which in his latter years he ended up translating in turkish language for his countrymen.he was a deeply learned man and even his military invasions as prime minister were never viewed as ‘islamic jihad’ by anyone in the world . when he ordered his troops in cyprus he was asked the reason ,”the gita is my guiding force in this mission. i know if i m on the true path i will never falter”. he was an amazing personality respected worldwide for his vast reservoir of knowledge and his love for the ‘holy gita’. i wish shantanu’s blog could pay a glowing tribute to this great man.

The Maharashtra ATS will (and must be) compelled into providing some evidence in the public domain- after having dragged the noble name of the Indian Army into the episode it would be pretty rich if it is allowed to get away without owning up any responsibility for acting in a precipitate manner.

Is there any penal code that can be used for “bringing the honour of the Armed Forces and the nation to disrepute”?

Despite whatever the MSM may have to say- the record of the Indian forces world over is a shining example of fortitude and honour. Based on what one has read- even in the MSM- this issue goes beyond the apparent ineptitude in putting a cogent case together.

Has anyone ever come across- in any country- such mudslinging on a serving Intelligence Officer?

To me, this looks like a clear message to the Intelligence Community in India- “do not dig too deep for you know not where you might find yourself”- not a very encouraging sign in times when the forces are being used for mitigating domestic terrorist activity…..for those of you keen to know how other countries facing the challenge of terrorism are reorienting their intelligence apparatus please see the MI-6 (or SIS as its properly known in the UK) website….this episode serves a lesson which I hope will be learnt and not easily forgotten- of how not to expose the national intelligence apparatus and how not to damage the reputation of the armed forces for addressing issues that are largely associated with internal political motivations….

– Dara Shikoh was captured by Aurangzeb Alamgir, brought to Delhi, placed on a filthy elephant and paraded through the streets of the capital in chains. He was put on trial and received the Sharia death sentence as he was declared as an apostate from Islam – as prescribed by the Qu’ran.

– On the night of August 30 1659, Dara was executed for apostasy and violating Quranic commandments on Shirk (the sin of idolatry or associating false gods with Allah).

Then, Aurangzeb personally beheaded the corpse of his brother Dara Shikoh with this own hands and had his severed head taken to their father Shah Jahan.

– That’s why Aurangzeb Alamgir is hailed as a pious Muslim and as a living Muslim saint (Pir) by the Ulema. His strict adherence to Islam and Sharia during his reign is still hailed today by the Ummah.

– That is why the description of Aurangzeb Alamgir’s glorious deeds* sends Islamic clerics and their Indian congregations into raptures, during the Jumma Kutbah (Friday sermons).

* His glorious deeds were the destruction of hundreds of magnificent Hindu Kufr temples, massacres of hundreds of thousands of Hindus/ Sikhs and forced conversions of millions of Hindus/Sikhs (the forefathers of today’s Muslims in the Indian subcontinent)

Read “The Truth About Aurangzeb”: http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/feb/16francois.htm

Famous examples of his Quran-inspired Jihad include the Keshava Dev (Krishna Janmabhoomi) temple at Mathura (upon which a Idgah mosque was built) and the Tuljapur Bhavani temple in Maharashtra etc.

The destruction of these temples were preceded by slaughtering a cow in each Garba Gruha (Sanctum Sanctorum) to the chants of Allahu-Akbar; a meticulous defilement of the Murti (sacred image) by pouring cow’s blood on the Murti, hacking off the statues into pieces and most definitely, by beheading all the devotees and pujaris praying in the temple.

After all, PBUH gave the same treatment to the pre-Islamic Arab temples and the adherents of the peaceful, pre-Islamic Arab religion.

Read more examples here:

“Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them – The Islamic Evidence (Volume II)”: http://voi.org/books/htemples2/index.htm

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Dear Tarique,
I would suggest that you read Shri. Aurobindos comments on the Vedas. They are available at the Ashram in pondicherry. In case you need the address I shall send it to you.
Regards,
vck

I was surprised when I found out names of new born boys in N. America as Osama. I think they like to worship devils!

vck ,i need the adress and i want the ‘english version’

@tarique I think I had posted links regarding aurangzeb on this blog and you can visit those and be happy to see many aurangzeb ‘fans’ over the net!

really feel sad to see people praising aurangzeb over many of the blogs dominated by pseudo-secs and muslims 🙁

Hi Indian,

My point was: Who’s the bigger threat – Osama or PBUH? Who’s Mini-Me and Who’s Dr. Evil?

P.S: Hope everyone is safe in Mumbai. My heart goes out to Mumbaikars who, like other Indians, are learning to live under the dark cloud of Islamic Jihad.

Dear Tarique bhaijaan,

I have lived in some countries of the Middle-East for some time and have traveled through several cities/villages in Turkey. The non-Islamic Turks fear Islam itself. They don’t want history repeating itself. They have realized that the pre-Islamic heritage of Turkey is their true heritage. They detest Islam.

The present-day Turks owe a lot to “The Father of Modern Turkey” Mr. Kemal Ataturk who reversed history and brought Turkey away from the 7th century and closer to Europe.

My Turkish colleagues adored Ataturk and told me so much about him. In a nutshell, Ataturk abolished the Islamic Caliphate (office of the successors to Muhammad, the supreme politico-religious office of Islam). He banned the Arabic script (and replaced it with the Latin script). He also banned the wearing of the Fez (Islamic caps) everywehere and banned the wearing of the Hijab in the Parliament and Universities. Ataturk shut down all Madrassas and Islamic institutions. He banned Islamic Sufi Missionary groups. He converted many prominent Mosques into Museums.

My Turkish driver told me an interesting story, which may be symbolic. He said that Ataturk requested all the current Muftis and Imams in Turkey to assemble before him and told them to go perform the Haj in Saudi Arabia (on an all-expenses paid trip). When the ship carrying all the Muftis and Imams sailed away from the port, then Ataturk ordered his cannons to fire on the ship and sank the ship (along with the occupants).

The Turks venerated him so much for such radical reforms that he was given the name ‘Atatürk’, meaning “Father of the Turks”.

Although today Turkey seldom figures in Muslim or Islamic discourse, it was for five centuries the center of the Muslim world, until that fatal day, March 3rd, 1924, when Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk abolished the Caliphate -office of the successors to prophet Muhammad, the supreme politico-religious office of Islam, and symbol of the Turkey sultan’s claim to world leadership of all Muslims—was abolished.

Today 98% of Turkey’s population is officially Muslim but the proportion of practicing Muslims is as low as 20%. However unlike in Europe where church attendance gradually fell in Turkey it is the result of a systematic attempt to constrain and weaken Islam by successive Kemalist secular governments and the military.

The hostility towards Islam began in early 1920s. A military commander, Mustafa Kemal Pasha led the Turkish War of Independence to form the Republic of Turkey as the successor state of the defunct Ottoman Empire. For this Mustafa Kemal became very popular and adored by all Turks. Thereafter he became the first President of the Republic of Turkey. The Turks venerated him so much he was given the name ‘Atatürk’, meaning Father of the Turks, (honorific name formally presented to him by the Turkish Grand Assembly in 1934.)

But Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk was no ordinary leader. He was an astute statesman and strewed strategist. He didn’t express to the public how he would develop Turkey until he got the power to execute his vision (i.e. not until he was President of Turkey.)

Then Atatürk carefully constructed and deployed a master plan, today known as the Kemalist ideology or Kemalism. Believing in this strategy Ataturk and his associates started to publicly question the value of religion and held the view religion was not compatible with modern science and secularism was imperative for modernity.

Thus Ataturk regime began step by step to implement the Kemalist ideology with a radical reformation of the Turkish society with the aim of modernizing Turkey from the remnants of its Ottoman past. In line with their ideological convictions the Ataturk government abolished Islamic religious institutions; replace the Shariah law with adapted European legal codes; replaced the Islamic calendar with the Gregorian calendar; replace the Arabic script which was used to write the Turkish language with the Latin script and closed all religious schools.

In addition Ataturk took over the country’s 70,000 mosques and restricted the building of new mosques. Muftis and imams (prayer leaders) were appointed and regulated by the government, and religious instructions were taken over by the Ministry of National Education. Mosques were to preach according to the Ataturk’s dictates and were used to spread the Kemalist ideology.

Atatürk confiscated Sufi Muslim lodges, prayer halls, meeting places and outlawed their rituals and meetings.

According to Ataturk, modernity was valued and represented as not wearing any religious Islamic dress or being non-Islamic. So he ordered what cloths Turkey’s citizens should wear. The traditional Islamic garb of local religious leaders was outlawed. The fez (Turkish Muslim cap) was banned for men and the veil and hijab (headscarves) were discouraged and restricted for women.

Atatürk and his colleagues wanted to Turkify Islam. They ordered Muslims to use the Turkish word “Tanri” instead of Allah for God and use the Turkish language in Salaath (the 5 times prayers) and Azaan (the call for prayers).

After some time the Atatürk regime moved towards more extreme measures. Ataturk prohibited religious Islamic education. The existing mosques were turned into museums or used for the regime’s secular purposes.

The Turkish and Kurdish Muslims be they Sunni, Shia or Sufi were powerless against Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s regime and his military. So they led violent rebellions against the Turkish state. But he was too strong for them and Ataturk suppressed the rebellions. (e.g. Seyh Sait rebellion in southeastern Turkey which claimed nearly 30,000 lives before being suppressed had its roots in religious grievances.)

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk died in 1938. After that some of his laws were revoked by his successors. Since then there have been regular calls for a return to Islamic rule. But the anti-Islamic governments and military true to the Kemalist ideology have managed to halt their plans.

While the current President Abdullah Gul and PM Recep Teyyep Erdogan (Rashib Tayyab Ergogan) are hell-bent upon Islamizing Turkey and gradually imposing Islamic Shariah laws step-by-step, they are luckily facing fierce resistance from the Turkish Military which has been de-Islamicised by Ataturk.

If only the rest of the Islamic world would follow Ataturk’s example. The world would be a better place to live in.

Shantanu, can you please write an article on Kemal Ataturk?

First some excerpts from: NCW speaks up for Sadhvi Pragya by Sandhya Jain

…The National Commission for Women has also taken its constitutional mandate seriously, and following a joint representation by over 60 persons to Chairperson Dr. Girija Vyas on 21 November 2008, issued notices to Maharashtra Chief Secretary Johny Joseph [D.O. No. 8/CO502314/MK/NK/NCW/2008/5371] and Director General of Police A.N. Roy [D.O. No. 8/CO502314/MK/NK/NCW/2008/5370] seeking factual information regarding the alleged illegal detention and torture of Sadhvi Pragya.

…Dr. Vyas wrote a personal letter to the new Chief Minister Ashok Chavan on 8 December 2008, pointing out that neither the Chief Secretary nor the Director General of Police had replied to the Commission’s queries, a situation that was unchanged till 16 December 2008, when some petitioners met her for a follow-up. As the petitioners had taken up the issue of gross abuse of Sadhvi Pragya’s human rights, dignity, civil liberties, and reputation by the Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad, after her sworn affidavit was submitted in the Nashik court on 17 November, it would be relevant to revisit the charges made therein.

…On 12 October, the officers lost patience and became aggressive. Initially, Bhimbhai Pasricha was asked to beat her on her palms, forehead, soles of feet, etc with sticks and belts, and beaten severely upon his refusal. When he succumbed to the pressure and beat her, he could not bring himself to seriously inflict pain upon her, so he was thrust aside and the Sadhvi beaten by policeman Khanwilkar, receiving bruises, swelling and contusions.

This torture continued for several days; often she would be woken up at night or early morning, repeatedly questioned, abused, beaten; even her Guru was abused and her chastity questioned. Thus traumatised physically and mentally, she told the court that she even wanted to commit suicide.

…So stressful was the custodial violence and the resultant mental stress, that Sadhvi Pragya developed acute abdominal and kidney pains, and became nauseous, giddy, and prone to bouts of unconsciousness. This necessitated removal from the hotel and transfer to the Shusrusha Hospital, where she was kept in the ICU. This is a very major development in the case, and it is truly surprising that the media has not tried to interrogate the hospital management in this matter.

…Throughout this period of illicit custody, torture, transfer to a hotel, and then to two consecutive hospitals, NO female police constable was ever by her side. It is pertinent that after Sadhvi Pragya submitted her sworn affidavit in court on 17 November 2008, the ATS never officially or unofficially denied her charge that female police officers were never present during the custody of the Sadhvi.

…Till 24 October, she had been denied access to a lawyer or any member of her family. During the course of her illegal detention, two polygraph tests and a narco analysis was conducted on her without her consent.

*** End of Excerpts ***

Three additional points:

The NCW, a reminder notwithstanding, has yet to respond with a complaint number to my formal complaint dt Nov 19 to it for an inquiry into the alleged torture of Sadhvi Pragya. [Nor, for that matter, has the NHRC!]

The recent MPs’ report on the cash-for-votes scam notes that “the overwhelming evidence is that Narco-analysis is by no means a reliable science” (http://www.dailypioneer.com/143993/The-anti-climax.html).

None of our well-known “secular” and “human rights” activists has spoken out for an inquiry!

@VCK, in comment # 49, you say that Narayana Guru of Kerala was a Namboodiri, a very high class Brahmin. There might have been a Namboodiri called Narayanan whom people also called a Guru (Narayanan is a very common name). Normally, when a Malayali talks of Narayana Guru, he means the man who was born into a low-caste Ezhava family. The same man, when faced with protests for consecrating a Shiva temple (a task performed only by dvijas) said that the deity was an Ezhava Shiva. Just because Tarique happens to be a North Indian Muslim who doesn’t know anything about Kerala, you shouldn’t feed him stuff like this. I hope this was a genuine mistake.

And I feel that you are mixing up your Kerala history. Sir CP Ramaswami Aiyar, the Dewan of Travancore may have supported the temple entry issue – we are talking here of only of the Vaikom temple. The proclamation was signed by the Travancore Maharaja AFTER a long-drawn Satyagraha which did encounter a very violent opposition. And, incidentally, the issue was not temple entry – it was for permission for low castes and untouchables to walk on the approach roads to the temple. And this was not a gracious gift. It was a right fought for and wrested from the hands of the Maharaja. Guruvayur, however, was in Malabar and the Samuthirippadu (Zamorin, as they called him) was the man in charge. Two different temple administrations. The Satyagraha started in 1931, and even after a referendum which showed a majority of the high caste Hindus in favour of allowing the polluting castes to enter the temple, Harijans were allowed into the temple only in 1946. The point is, no Sir CP, and no gracious bowing to the demands of the people. This is not to negate the contributions of the people from the upper castes in the reform movements in Kerala. But you need to get your facts a bit straighter.

Dear Shantanu,
Please understand that “WE ARE ALONE”. Nobody including the supposed NGO’s will not come to our support. Do you think that they will get TV coverage, A Dinner with a foreign Embassy person, a mention in the despatches for a drink party!
Let us WAKE UP! We are all alone and until we wake up from the slumber of COLONIALISM AND WHITEMAN THINKING we will not have support.
We are fighting a lonely battle but the ground support is growing; We shall win.
Reghards,
vck

@Shantanu

I assume this is the right article of your blog to post this comment for Archive.

“It may be pertinent to recall that on October 19, 2012, Chief Justice of India Altamas Kabir personally headed the bench that granted bail to journalist Syed Mohammad Ahmed Kazmi who was arrested on March 6 in the Israeli diplomat car attack case. In that case, as in the case of Kanimozhi and other accused in the 2G scam, the apex court upheld bail as a right. It remains a mystery why bail continues to elude Sadhvi Pragya and other accused in the Malegaon 2008 case even though the prosecution has completely failed to make a case that it can even present to the court.”

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/02/five-years-later-still-no-case.html

The latest twist in this tale: Home ministry gives nod to NIA to prosecute Pragya Singh Thakur, Amarjeet Singh,TNN | Aug 13, 2014, BHOPAL: Six years after Rajnath Singh publicly claimed Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, an accused in RSS pracharak Sunil Joshi murder case, was innocent and harassed, the ministry of home affairs headed by him has given the go-ahead to National Investigation Agency (NIA) to prosecute her.
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On Friday, NIA informed a special court in Bhopal that it has got the MHA’s nod to file a charge-sheet in the Sunil Joshi murder case and requested the court to grant time to prepare the charge-sheet, which was granted. Court has fixed the next date of hearing on August 19.

“Preparing a charge-sheet needs time. After scrutiny, MHA cleared our investigation report which was submitted in January this year. We will submit the charge-sheet against all accused, including Pragya Thakur,” counsel for NIA, Subhash Bhattacharya, told TOI.