A fresh look at Reservations and Quotas – Part II
A few weeks ago, I wrote a detailed post examining the various issues with the current system of reservations and quotas. In that analysis, I identified the following serious problems:
- The present system does not address the fundamental issue of lack of good quality primary education
- That there continue to be unfilled seats suggest it may not be working as it should
- It appears to be mis-targeted and imbalanced
- It is in danger of becoming self-perpetuating
- It may fail to create a longer term positive impact and finally,
- It may be based on faulty, missing, un-validated and inconsistent inputs.
In this post, I will try and look at some ideas and proposals that might help overcome at least some of the issues identified above.
What is the solution?
Let me say at the outset that I am not sure if there is/are any perfect solution(s) to this issue. In fact, I am not even sure whether any/all the ideas I am proposing (below) are practical and/or can be implemented. And yet, it is not possible to avoid the topic and I believe it is essential to have a serious debate on this. Please treat the thoughts below as catalysts to that discussion.
Here are a few ideas worth considering:
- Privatise and heavily encourage provision of elementary education by the private sector. Done well, this could also boost entrepreneurship in rural and semi-urban areas and possibly generate some employment too. This addresses issues #1 and #2.
- Heavily subsidise (through scholarships, grants and other means) education at primary and secondary level based on economic criteria. This addresses issues #1 and #2.
- Offer needy and bright students continuing/long-term scholarships to help them progress to higher education. This addresses issues #1 and #2.
- Offer extra incentives to set up educational institutions which will cater only to SCs and STs or in areas dominated by SCs and STs. This addresses issue #3.
- Put in a filter(s) to reduce the dominance of the current quotas by those from the “creamy layer”. This addresses issue #3.
- Extend current quotas by a maximum of another 5 years and gradually phase them out (say by reducing 10% every 5 years) until they reach 20% (Assuming 50% reservations of seats/places at the moment, it will take about two decades to get to 20%). Then fill the seats and places that make up the 20% based on income and socio-economic backwardness indicators. This addresses issue #4.
- Limit reservation for OBCs to 20% while re-examining the inputs based on current, validate and empirically verifiable data; Once better data is available, re-assess. This addresses issue #6.
- Make a serious effort to gather data and better quality inputs; None of these measures will be very effective unless they are based on sound evidence (Evidence needed not only to justify the measure but to ensure that is well-directed and can make a difference). This addresses issue #6.
I believe a combination of these measures can create long-term positive impact and, over time, eliminate need for caste-based reservations.
The quota system can then morph into an affirmative action programme that is better able to address the needs of a developing society in the years to come.
Image courtesy: Wikimedia
Very Important:
I am putting forward these ideas to initiate a discussion. Although most of these views reflect my thinking, this is not etched in stone. The purpose of this piece is to start a dialogue and come up with a broad consensus on what might actually work.
Better ideas are very likely to emerge from this discussion. For that to happen, we must all be open-minded and ready to hear/think about opposing points of views.
The discussion will be enhanced by the breadth of participation and a spectrum of diverse views.. So please ask everyone/anyone who you think is concerned about this issue to write in.
If someone could get YFE (Youth For Equality) and others to respond, that would be even better.
Additional Ideas:
1. Polite Indian’s Deprivation Certificate (also suggested in slightly different form by Dr Vinaya Singh)
2. Purushottam Agrawal’s MIRAA Index
3. Arvind Subramanian’s Graduated Vouchers Scheme
Related Posts:
A fresh look at Reservations and Quotas
This, not reservations is the answer
Additional Reading (Highly recommended)
Are Brahmins the Dalits of today? – by Francois Gautier
The middle class deserves what it is getting – by Sushant Sareen which has the conclusion:
Frankly, the Indian middle class deserves what it is getting. The basic lesson which they need to learn is that if they don’t shed their supercilious attitude towards politics and don’t vote, and don’t express their outrage with everything that is wrong in this country, they will get by-passed.
Well said.
Comment, views, thoughts, suggestions and counter-points welcome, as always.
Dear Shantanu
You have raised an interesting. I would suggest looking at each policy issue from the framework of freedom. Does (a particular policy action) enhance our freedom (and hence our accountability)?
Not many years ago (1998-99) I was struggling in my mind with the kinds of artificial, man-made processes of the sort you have suggested, which involve ‘tapering off’ reservations. But that assumed that reservation is legitimate. I am now convinced, on careful thought, that reservations are illegitimate. The very concept is not compatible with the principles of freedom (and its obverse, accountability).
Reservations are anti-freedom and they diminish all of us. The concept is underpinned on “justice of yesterday” and “social justice”. But these are totally false concepts as I demonstrate at length in my book.
Justice is purely individual. The concept of affirmative action must therefore simply go, if India wishes to be a a free country. The task of a government is to govern; not to undertake social reform. Social reform is for social reformers.
I am providing below a short extract from the current version of chapter 4 of my book, Breaking Free of Nehru (at http://www.sanjeev.sabhlokcity.com/breakingfree.html).This extract is best read in relation to the arguments presented in that chapter and the rest of the book. However, here it goes:
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Our Constitution has institutionalised social inequality through its Part XVI, which recognizes a range of classes of citizens, namely the scheduled castes and tribes; instead of a single class of citizen.
By recognising these alleged distinctions in the Constitution, we have effectively frozen these ‘classes’ for ever. But pouring concrete on the natural evolutionary process of cultural change is not the way of freedom. Our culture should remain free to evolve and change. In particular, it is best that the evolution of a society from tribal (and thus collectivist) modes to a modern (individualist) society takes place sooner rather than later. That would enable each (formerly tribal) individual to achieve his or her highest potential. And therefore, while the use of terms like tribes and castes is fine for sociologists or anthropologists, it is not the language of a social contract amongst equal citizens.
But these Articles of the Constitution went beyond the mere categorisation of people. These are affirmative action clauses, based on the flawed concept of ‘the justice of yesterday’. Eg. Article 335 enables the “relaxation in qualifying marks in any examination or lowering the standards of evaluation”. These Articles perpetrate a grave injustice today, in our times, by punishing people who have not, as individuals, participated in any crime. The most distressing thing about this injustice is that it finds a place in our Constitution itself.
Affirmative action in the form of reservation of seats in medical colleges or government services is based on the argument that the present generation should reliquish its equality of opportunity in order to compensate for the harm allegedly caused by our forefathers. The fact that the present generation was obviously not even born then shows how untenable this argument is.
Such inequality of opportunity, particularly one that is buttressed by government, amounts to coercive discrimination. The entire society therefore loses its freedom, even those who are being discriminated in favour of. It is unacceptable to institutionalise inequality of opportunity and to reduce our freedom by creating reservations that over-ride merit. Setting right past inequalities of opportunity can never be done by institutionalising new inequality of opportunity. Two wrongs never make a right.
Members of the current generation who may be actually bringing about higher standards of freedom and equality for all, including members of the scheduled castes or tribes, or have drifted free of thediscriminatory moorings of their religioun, are now held in law to be less than equal in India. One unintended outcome of this is that people who are treated poorly in Hinduism will not opt out of Hinduism, given that they will then lose these unequal benefits available to them only as Hindus. If anything, reservations will therefore strongly perpetuate the caste system. If the caste system would have disappeared on its own in say, about 50-100 years, in capitalist India, this Nehruvian socialist intervention will sustain it potentially for ever. The more practical problem is that affirmative action does not get rid of the underlying issue of inequality of opportunity it is trying to address, and is the wrong way to do it.
I am not denying that deplorable practices such as caste disadvantage or other forms of social discrimination were rampant in India in the past, or that they continue today (the caste system being one of my initial reasons for dissenting with Hinduism). However, similar discrimination or stereotyping has occurred in every part of the world in the past, and it needs a different strategy to fix it. We know that even as George Washington read out the American Declaration of Independence in 1776, he personally owned hundreds of slaves. Thomas Jefferson, the man to whom we owe the inspiring sentiments of the American Declaration of Independence, owned over 180 slaves as late as in 1824. Similarly, providing equality to women in simple matters such as adult franchise has taken a very long time coming in the USA. So, there has been huge discrimination even in the so-called free societies in the past.
The point I am making is that the solution to social discrimination is not to muddy the crystal clear waters of freedom and to thus diminish our freedom, but for social reformers to initiate community-based voluntary action to educate people, including socially boycotting those who demonstrate bigoted behaviour. If we are concerned that discriminatory practices are not changing fast enough, then we need to take steps to form reformative associations that educate people against these practices. There are many other forms of individual protest that can make a difference. We could use ‘non-caste’ titles, reform the religion, or even abandon Hinduism altogether (to the extent that it refuses toreform). Ensuring what we think is the ideal equality of opportunity is often a matter of social reform and building the appropriate awareness among individual citizens. It is a task for social reformers, not of governments.
Governments can do a lot to offset unfair advantage – but it is best to do so through non-discretionary outcome standards – such as by ensuring that everyone is able to achieve a minimum level of income, and that all children receive education upto year 12. The education will then directly help to reduce social disadvantage. For instance, I would reasonably expect that by now, as a result of my education and experience, I am no longer as bigoted as my ancestors were.
But even education is not enough. For can anyone force me to not be bigoted should I choose to be so, merely by educating me? No. Reform that seeks to change my of this sort must touch my heart. I must internalise the message of equality amongst all people. And that is not a task for government.
The task of removing bigotry cannot be given to a government. For, the opinions of its members – whether of the political class or bureaucracy – merely reflect existing social opinion. They are not reformers. In any event, they are not qualified, as a group, to touch our hearts and make us change.
What the government can do, and should do effectively (which means it needs to build the capacity to enforce such a law) – is to enact an Equal Opportunity Act “to enforce everyone’s right to equality of opportunity; to eliminate, as far as possible, discrimination against people by prohibiting discrimination on the basis of various attributes”. We can control behaviour, even if we can’t change people’s feelings. Such a piece of legislation will clarify, extend, and enforce Articles 15 and 16 of the Constitution. Having prohibited blatant discrimination, and provided avenues for the redress of such discrimination, a government should then focus on enforcing equality of opportunity (as indicated, this will also involve a total revamp of the school education system to allow each child the opportunity to study up to year 12.
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I have more material on this issue in chapter 4 and chapter 7 (eg. ensuring high quality education and the complete elimination of poverty for all – virtually immediately). The key, in my view, is to always look at what enhances individual freedom (and that means, individual accountability). We legitimise illegitimate processes that are found in our country by trying to ‘smooth’ them. Let us look at the fundamentals, in each case. Always start – what should happen in a free society? What will a great India look like?
Happy to discuss.
Regards
Sanjeev Sabhlok
Quoting from Sanjeev – “Affirmative action in the form of reservation of seats in medical colleges or government services is based on the argument that the present generation should reliquish its equality of opportunity in order to compensate for the harm allegedly caused by our forefathers. The fact that the present generation was obviously not even born then shows how untenable this argument is.”
Cannot agree more.
Dear Shri. Shantanu,
The points you have made are very relevant and truthful as they are practical.
The question of caste arises as we are still bedevilled by the thought of mine, yours and ours.
Unless we go back to the roots of our way of life any amount of reservations will lead to more clamouring of further concesions and the added tragedy will be a political rascality!
Unless we, the supposed to be educated, I do not consider myself “Educated” as I know English or that I was educated in a “Macalauy” education.
I consider myself “Educated” to the extent that I am able to appreciate the contribution of every sector of my society which has made me today.
I consider myself “Educated” as I treat my driver, my office ClassIV employee and even my “Barber” as a person who contributes to my living my way of life, as I live today!
I have learnt that reservations has brought in more bitterness than unity amongst us. Today we have Castes/Subcastes/Subsubcastes…………
I find that we end up in more confusion than in solving the problem when we look at this current way dealing with this evil.
Today we have the “Ekal Vidayalayas” run by the “hated VHP” which provide for education in the remotest possible villages. By the way they do not attempt ot convert whoever is there to “This way or that way of life”.
Unless we change our mindset this Caste problem cannot be wished away.
Unless we get away from this “Christian” thinking caste cannot be wished away and the solution will be a horizon and not even a remote possibility.
Unless we “educate” our youth of the hoary culture of what we are this cannot be wished away.
The youth of this country are looking for avenues to have a better way of life and a better India. The only solution is that we should offer them the truth of what the “Truth” is.
They should be “educated” to the fact that there is no sanction for the caste system under the Vedas and Upanishads. They should be “Educated” to the fact that this caste syatem is a formula to divide and rule. They should be educated to understand that the way of life prescribed by our Vedas and Upanishads is that even at that time Dignity of labor was recogonised, and the way of life was designed to fit in a division of labor and not “Division of People”.
They should be “educated” to undersatnd that Lord Krishna in the Bhagwad Gita has spelt out the terms of this way of life. (My explanation may be incomplete but the sum and substanace of it is)-
“He” enters the gurukulam and learns all the initial subjects, just like our “HSC”. “He then given initiation to the subjects in which ‘he” is found to be good- “Graduation”. He then specialises in his favourite subject- “Post Garduation” and finally he attains the ultimate goal of being a possible teacher-“Doctorate”.
The fourth stage is only the “Brahaman” stage when one is called a “Brahmin”.
I have deliberately used “He” as Lord Krishna does not know caste!!
It is an uphill task, but if we “Educate” the current “Educated” your goals can be achieved.
Regards,
vck
Here are my thoughts.
1. I am not in favor of any subsidies. The indian establishment is corrupt and the money will go down the drain. It is not like scholarships don’t exist today. It is just that they are meagre and more importantly very poorly advertised. I would rather see local businesses getting involved in this effort. They could get tax relief for this etc.
2. There is so much talk of university education. However, I am not convinced that everyone is looking for one (I agree everyone deserves an opportunity!). I expect there will be enormous demand for manual skilled labour (which may be obtained through vocational training etc) because of the burgeoning middle class. There needs to be more focus in this area.
3. I agree with you on liberalize education part. Removal of red tape (not just here, There is too much of it everywhere) would go a long way in the growth of educational institutions and the competition will enable better quality at lower costs.
4. We need to be able to spot talent better and faster. One thing I admire about the US education model, is the way it nurtures talent and gives the brightest minds the option to take up the most challenging positions => be it defence, medicine, engineering, sciences, law. In India, the awareness levels are very low outside our major cities and a lot of brilliant minds are left un-nurtured and uncared for.
Just my 2 cents.
Sanjeev, Vck, Prakash: Thank you all for your comments.
This is a topical issue and I am glad that it has generated some debate…We need to duscuss this even more widely.
Pl. give me some time to mull over your various thoughts this weekend and I will respond subsequently.
Shanthanu,
I think ideas like “Deprivation Certificate” and “MIRAA Index” are flawed (with all due respect to Polite Indian, Agarwal, and others).
Reservation, if any at all, must be based solely on caste. This is due to the fact that the caste is the only anomaly that requires this scheme in the first place!
Life deals different hands to people. We can never design a system that compensates for this. This isnt unique to India either.
Schemes like scholarships are completely different issues. We are only talking about the constitutionally troublesome outright quotas.
The castes who are eligible must have a documented history of being kept out of the mainstream (educational, economic, ownership of productive assets) due to the caste system.
I will write a post on these general compensatory schemes shortly on my blog.
This is an article that I just read in the latest Economist. As usual, the Economist “cuts to the chase” and “minces no words” in its analysis:
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9909319
This is a very interesting topic and I hope to contribute later this week or next.
cheers
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Lets-have-50-quota-for-OBCs-in-cricket-too/295925/
“…Bharat Punarnirman Dal (BPD) has demanded 50 per cent reservation for the scheduled castes, tribes and other backward classes in the Indian cricket team.
“When quota is being introduced in education, which is most important for any country’s development, then why cricket has been spared. At least 50 per cent quota should be announced for cricket, which has become the most important game in the country now,” BPD’s state president Omendra Bharat told The Indian Express.
Protesting the implementation of 27 per cent quota for OBCs in IITs, IIMs and other central educational institutions, members of the BPD held a protest …Police stopped the demonstrators …
A scuffle ensued soon …The protesters later accused the policemen of misbehaving with women members and manhandling others.
“We had taken out a peaceful protest, but the policemen’s misbehaviour has compelled us to hold a demonstration against them,” added Omendra.
A meeting of BPD members has been called on Saturday, and possibilities are that a protest against the police will be organised on Sunday.
BPD’s state general secretary Dr Puneet Nath said: “When one category has been given a special privilege, it should be denied of voting rights.”
The elephant in the room that I have hardly seen discussed is what if there are “real” differences in group distributions and the impact that findings in population genetics will have on this debate? It is nice to hope that all of us are equal in ability, as individuals and groups but is this based on the facts?
Although present day Indians trace their ancestors through waves of migrations across millenia and there’s been plenty of inter-marriage as groups moved across regions and even caste boundaries changed, the fact remains that there are thousands (as many as 30 to 50 thousand, according to Cavalli-Sforza) of endogamous groups (jatis or microraces) in India. That is, these groups, in the time frame of (say) 1000 years, have almost exclusively married within their clan. This fact, together with the effects of natural selection (e.g., famine, assured food supply to a certain person by virtue of his/her talents) may have made these groups diverge.
We have pretty good evidence (a recent paper by Cochran and Harpending) that the highly intelligent Ashkenazi Jews may have, in fact, increased their intelligence over the past 1000 years due to such considerations (because they were banned from most work in european cities and discriminated against, they got into money lending a profession that made a lot of use of higher cognitive abilities.. and a Jew who was clever by random genetic variation was more likely to survive and produce children in these years when life was pretty nasty and short).
The surprising conclusion is that traits such as general cognitive ability aka intelligence can have accelerated selection (as opposed to the idea that these things take tens of thousands of years as in the case of skin color.. the white skin of europeans is a mutation that arose 7000 years ago)
Add to this that our current technological, knowledge based economy puts a premium on general intelligence (verbal and mathematical ability), then these facts, taken together lead us to certain conclusions that people may not want to admit. Namely, it is highly unlikely (actually mathematically impossible) that there wont be significant variation on traits like mean intelligence across the thousands of endogamous groups. Thus the key form of discrimination (occuring over a thousand or more years) is probably marriage within clan.
Imagine the distribution of mean IQ (not individual IQ) across these thousands of groups (no one has bothered, as far as I know , to make some estimate.. but its not hard to do based on data that various govt agencies already have). The difference in the mean difference between the top 10% and the bottom 10% (of groups) is very very likely to be at least a couple of standard deviations or more. But the details of this distribution will have clear implications for policy making (such as identifying environmental causes for depressed intelligence like nutritional deficiencies that may be affecting certain groups but not others). Its a mystery as to why our govt agencies who collate various statistics havent bothered to create something like this (one doesnt actually need to measure IQ, one could use a combination of various proxy measures). It should not be more than a few months worth of data collection and analysis (if various agencies are forthcoming). One likely conclusion would be that reservations at elite institutions is pointless and a waste of efforts.. its much more efficient to have reservations at non-elite institutions and earlier (primary education) via school vouchers etc as some NGOs are advocating. Another would be the isolation of environmental factors and relevant interventions that could actually make a difference to certain groups.
Dear Sir,
I think after the debate that took place, immediately after the SC’s verdict on reservations to OBC’s, one thing was apparent; NO POLITICAL PARTY WANTED TO GET RID OF CASTE, THAY WANTED TO AGGRAVATE THE SITUATION!!
The resevations are not to fill in gaps of disrimination but to score brownie points. No politician was sincere in his statements and they wanted to perpetuate the caste system as each of them fell over each other to fight out the issue of “THE CREAMY LAYER”.
Nobody is interested in eliminating poverty and discrimination, they want to perpetuate it. Especially the Southern politicians.
A recent article in the 14th. April 2008, issue of the TOI Chennai issue an article on this very apropriately stted that the OBC’s were more discriminatory than the Brahmins!!!
This goes to show the true colors of the white dhotied politicians.
The reservations are required to strengthen “BHARAT” by educating the really downtrodden and poor which will help them to understand the true colors of their saviours.
Regards,
vck
Pl do read: http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/2011/08/13/kerala-10-quota-to-poor-in-big-trouble/
My personal opinion on this, partly based on the experience of ‘positive discrimination’ in the UK is that reservation based on caste is illogical. The aim is to educate to a basic minimum level for all, as you have said, and to facilitate the ‘best brains’ to excel to help in the progress and development of the country.
I think reservation, including for women in parliament should be phased out.
Scholarships should be used more widely to promote excellence.Positive discimination could somehow be factored in, but no reservation. When does a rich dalit CM/MLA and his family get taken out of the reservation loop at the present?Probably never. Reservation would degenerate into nepotism or worse.
The nation is being sacrificed for the sake of caste or the family.
Sudha: The reservation policy has already “degenerated” in India…This is a benefit that today is mostly cornered by the creamy layer – and there is a constant demand from various groups to extend this “benefit” to them (thus the Gujjar agitation from a few years back). Sad but few seem to care – fewer still have the courage to speak the truth about it..Instead we have an ever expanding quota regime – now including women’s reservation in Parliament.
A short snippet from a recent OpEd by Pratap Bhanu Mehta:
The challenge of combating discrimination is complicated. But there is no doubt that despite reservations (or arguably, because of the form they have taken), the texture of social relations between marginalised communities and others is deeply debilitating for marginalised groups, in ways we cannot even imagine. In certain areas, like practices of segregation, the law might help. Assistance to institutions to deal with this form of diversity is absolutely essential. Some programmes have paid dividends. But law, administrative solutions, and reducing justice to a numbers game will only go so far; in fact it can sometimes crowd out and distort the fundamental moral issues. The appalling truth is that there are very few places that the required ethical labour is being done.
Pratap Bhanu Mehta’s recent article in the IE is nothing more than a demonstration of his grasp of English knowledge. Much of the article is meaningless and based on acceptance as absolute truths, of the lies and falsehoods peddled by the Social Justice dispensers of India. Consider this statement “the texture of social relations between marginalised communities and others is deeply debilitating for marginalised groups, in ways we cannot even imagine”. This is absolute trash. If ‘we’ cannot imagine, why think about it? The important issue is, who is marginalised? Take the case of TN, where 69% of all Govt jobs, seats in colleges, 100% of scholarships is reserved for an overwhelming majority of population shockingly and absurdly categorised as “backward”. The result, more than 99% of State jobs are with the reserved, year after year 100% of Medical seats are taken by the ‘reserved’. And these people are called ‘marginalised’ by the terrorised media. Karnataka falls in the same league.
I wonder how many of you read this *news*?:
“Samajwadi chief Mulayam Singh Yadav and brother Ramgopal Yadav were vocal in opposing the move, arguing it led to social heartburn and vitiated social harmonyâ€
Do you the matter which Sh Yadav & his brother were opposed to?
It was reservation.
Specifically reservation in promotions.
Even more specifically, reservation in promotions for SC and STs. Only.
“They argued that all top positions in “work departments” in Uttar Pradesh were occupied by SCs, with OBCs and general candidates unable to move beyond the rank of superintending engineer.”
However, the Yadav duo faced a sharp riposte from Paswan who said Mulayam showed no concern for heartburn among officials belonging to general category when he championed implementation of Mandal report for reservation for OBCs in government.”
Guess what did the government do?
It said, no problem..We will bring in reservation in promotions for OBCs too (from SC/ST Quota Bill: Government may amend Constitution if needed, says Narayanasamy).
And since this is not possible under the present Constitution, we will bring a Constitutional Amendment..
And so the farce continues. Dividing India – One Bit at a Time.
And please don’t think for a moment that this is the last you have heard of this..It is not..There is more to come. I promise you that.
Some excerpts from With Affirmative Action, India’s Rich Gain School Slots Meant for Poor:
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In Tamil Nadu, for instance, 69 percent of university admissions are now set aside for what the state has determined to be “backward castes.†Many of those favored with these set-asides have controlled Tamil Nadu’s government and much of its resources for generations, but they claim special status by pointing to a caste survey done in 1931. (Ms. Gayathri, 17, is a Brahmin whose parents are civil servants with modest incomes.)
Five prominent university officials in Tamil Nadu said in interviews that those given set-asides at their institutions were generally the children of doctors, lawyers and high-level bureaucrats. The result is that rich students routinely get preference over more accomplished poor ones who do not happen to belong to the favored castes. None of the officials would allow their names to be used for fear of angering the government ministers who benefit politically and personally from the program.
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Over the last 30 years, however, India’s economy has been transformed, much of its populace has moved from villages to sprawling cities, and once distinct castes have been scrambled. That has led to the erosion of historic differences in education and increased income mobility within castes in India, recent studies have found.
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Nonetheless, quotas have transformed the taint of “backwardness†into a coveted designation.
The Gujjars of Rajasthan, for instance, held violent riots two years ago to protest the government’s refusal to declare them as “most backward.†Politicians win elections in India by promising to bestow this one-time curse, which has led to a dramatic expansion in those considered backward decades after the designation had true economic meaning.
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The Supreme Court has repeatedly tried to curtail the scope of caste quotas, but the Parliament has passed amendments in response to protect and even expand them. The court has ruled that quotas should not exceed 50 percent of university admissions, but Tamil Nadu has ignored this restriction and a case challenging the state’s larger quota has been pending since 1994.
From Dare to question, thank you Mr Tathagata Satpathy:
..The following is (Sh Tathagata Satpathy) his speech
…we find that in this Hindu community in India, the upper castes, the Brahmins, the kshatriyas and others have been considered as the creamy layer and thus deprived of reservation, which I wholeheartedly support because the perception is that they are ahead of the others.
But, Sir, when we see the effects of reservation for the past sixty years, whether for OBCs or SCs and STs, we find that amongst that section of the society, those who have become the creamy layer, the upwardly mobile and those who have been benefited, are unwilling to let go of the benefits that they have received. Therefore, it can be safely assumed that in this country, today there is a backward race. Everyone wants to become backward. As Shri Gangwar has said earlier, from 2000 institutionalized or registered OBC castes, now we have 6,500.
This number alone shows that we have got into a sick mode, a mode where people have become mentally sick, and everybody wants to be backward. People are tricking this system to get themselves registered. Those who can manipulate and become backward and willing to be registered as backward because they want the benefits. It is a ‘grab grab’ situation. We, politicians, here and who have been elected to this August or September or October House are unwilling to speak the truth. …
Sir, we are unwilling to find the truth; we are unwilling to say what the truth is; and we are unwilling to accept the reality of this country. It is a race. Everybody wants to become the champion of the backward.
…The founding fathers of the Constitution in this country said that after ten years, you get rid of this reservation. Today, we are in a backward race, and we want to become more and more backward so that we get the benefits of this nation. Sir, when do we change this mindset? Will we remain as we are or will we change ourselves? That is the question.
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You have to recognize merit; you have to recognize merit only when you bring in the OBC or ST or SC from the lowest of the low, from the poorest of the poor. If they are fed well, clothed well, educated well, then they become competitive. We do not do that; we cheat them; we try to take their votes; we try to benefit from their backwardness; and we give them solace that: “Listen, you are backward; we will do something for you.â€â€¦ (Interruptions)
But it is not them that we are benefiting.
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Sir, this is a repressive step; this is a very reactionary mindset, and I hope and believe that this Government and those who are present in this House today, will really consider this step and will think of the nation, think of India’s future; and not become caste ridden, religion ridden, petty or small, but grow beyond all that. They have to rise above personal conditions across party lines.
Placing this link here for the record: Why UPA’s reservation for Jats is a frightening joke by Ajaz Ashraf, Mar 7, 2014
Do you know what is the clearest sign that change is afoot?
When people across the political divide begin to take a common stance on a contentious issue..
In Feb, Congress(I) leader Janardan Dwivedi asked for an end to caste-based quotas – a move that led to a swift denial by Sonia Gandhi herself.
On Saturday, it was the BJP’s turn. Its National Vice President CP Thakur came out publicly against reservation in jobs and educational institutions..
But more interesting than both of these statements was this “update” on the fb page of Swami Ramdev..
It needs no explanation..
It is also something that should be cheered..
I wish Nandan Nilekani could have been as vocal and clear in his stand..जय हिंद, जय à¤à¤¾à¤°à¤¤! – शांतनà¥
Also read: Why are we against caste-based reservations?
Excerpts from Need for comprehensive review of reservation policy by: Sandhya Jain, 22 February 2016:
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The onus is on the Supreme Court which in 1992 upheld the then Prime Minister V.P. Singh’s divisive political move to implement the Mandal Commission’s recommendation of 27 per cent reservations for Other Backward Classes. Both V.P. Singh and the Supreme Court had erred because the Mandal Commission had identified Classes on Caste lines and other flawed criteria which led several social scientists associated with the Commission to disown its conclusions.
Moreover, in public perception, while 22.5 per cent reservations for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes could be justified on grounds of historical backwardness and disabilities, no such merit could be perceived in partitioning the 77.5 per cent General category to give advantage to locally dominant castes that would corner educational and employment benefits at the cost of other meritorious candidates.
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Once the Supreme Court upheld quotas for Yadavs and Gujjars, the Patel-Jat saga of violence was only a matter of time…
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Worse, under a Supreme Court directive some years ago, institutions that could not find eligible students in the SC/ST/OBC category are forbidden from making the seats available to General category students. This double injustice is manifesting in community-wise unrest in different parts of the country. The Supreme Court must address this anomaly urgently before other deprived communities turn to violence. It should also abolish reservations in promotions.
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From De-reservation is the need of the nation by Makarand Paranjpe, 14th Nov ’22:
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The problem is that reservation is justified as a means of social upliftment whereas it is primarily an economic measure. It is not that the social advancement needs of those who enjoy its benefits are not met, but that these latter are a subset of economic empowerment. Not the other way round. The arguments against perpetual reservations are many and, indeed, this may not be the best place or time to rehearse them. But the fact is that they are socially divisive rather than integrative and, ironically, inversely mirror the very system they wish to replace.
Being entitled by birth to never-ending privileges is the opposite of moving from a caste-based to a casteless society. It is, to invoke Dr B R Ambedkar, the very antithesis of “the annihilation of caste”. Instead, reservations set up a supposedly corrective social order, which ends up privileging disadvantage, historical injustice, and endless reparations—instead of merit or competence—as the basis of opportunities of advancement. It is my belief that the spirit of the Indian Constitution, where each citizen is guaranteed equal rights and opportunities regardless of religion, ethnicity, or caste, is contrary to reservations. The sooner this pernicious system ends, the better.