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		<title>Comment on Terrorist Attack in Mumbai - Part II by tarique</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this channel 4 documentary by dan reed is banned in india by the indian government and the mumbai crime branch . the mumbai crime branch is planning a strict legal action on this documentary .the sole intention of dan reed's documentary is 'divide and rule' policy between indian hindus and muslims . what does dan reed know about the attacks ?does he know that DTC sightholders were staying in taj ,oberoi and nariman house ? does he know that no post portem or autopsy was done on the dead bodies of the rabbi and his wife in nariman house ? does he know that nanny sandra who looked after baby moshe was an indian citizen and a prime witness in the nariman house ......that within a matter of 72 hours she was allowed to travel to israel and granted an israeli citizenship ? dan reed's story is null and void and irrelevent until the aspects of DTC 's role in the attacks is highlighted .DTC was also one of the prime suspects in the 9/11 attacks till they were given a clean chit by US congressman tim roemer . this guy tim roemer will soon arrive in india as next US ambassador to india .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this channel 4 documentary by dan reed is banned in india by the indian government and the mumbai crime branch . the mumbai crime branch is planning a strict legal action on this documentary .the sole intention of dan reed&#8217;s documentary is &#8216;divide and rule&#8217; policy between indian hindus and muslims . what does dan reed know about the attacks ?does he know that DTC sightholders were staying in taj ,oberoi and nariman house ? does he know that no post portem or autopsy was done on the dead bodies of the rabbi and his wife in nariman house ? does he know that nanny sandra who looked after baby moshe was an indian citizen and a prime witness in the nariman house &#8230;&#8230;that within a matter of 72 hours she was allowed to travel to israel and granted an israeli citizenship ? dan reed&#8217;s story is null and void and irrelevent until the aspects of DTC &#8217;s role in the attacks is highlighted .DTC was also one of the prime suspects in the 9/11 attacks till they were given a clean chit by US congressman tim roemer . this guy tim roemer will soon arrive in india as next US ambassador to india .</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Eclipse of the Hindu Nation&#8221; - Excerpt from &#8216;Introduction&#8217; by Khandu Patel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khandu Patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harapriya

I think we are in danger of dissipating our energy in endless debate without any resolution. We need to bring more order than exists. 

The way I see it is that the orthadox Hindus want to rely solely on the Vedas as the source, whereas most of the nation goes by the Bhagavid Gita. The Bhagavid Gita should be the single authority for all Hindus and the Vedas relegated to the postion of the old testabment. The old testament is very important as I no doubt believe the Vedas to be too. So instead of the Brahmins fighting this, why cannot they join the rest of the Hindus in this unifying process?

Thank you for agreeing that the position of priests should be open to people who are brahmins by temperament and training and not soley by caste. Even the VHP does not practice this. 

I agree that that there has been a Hindu cultural and religious ethos identified with the land mass of India. Equally, the betrayel of Bharat by Hindu leaders is an unescapble fact of today. I have every right to be agrieved by the brahmins as a caste who in the last election voted to return the Congress Pary to power. Lets not quible about words, they may have ceased to be brahmins or are now mere Hindus because their conduct is unbecoming of them. Neither do I want to spare the rest of the Hindus who did likewise. There is no doubt that the BJP has serious faults as indeed their associated organisations but everyone voting with their feets has been the greatest of Hindu failings. 

It was right to complain about the designs and and wrongs of the British and their Christians when they were ruling but in this election, India reinstated them no less in the person of Sonia Gandhi and her followers. It is a fatal mistake to ignore the reasons why Hindus did this and not to escape from it as if it is some sort of British conspiracy. The British did indeed make an assault on Hindu practices and customs such as sutee and they were bound to do so as rulers and how else were they to do it than by making comparison of their own. 

What Ram Mohan Roy did was to incorporate Christian rationalism into Hinduism because Hinduism to this day is unable to bring rationale discourse into how it should be governed. I am not persuaded that that made him crypto Christian. I think the problem started when Ramakrishna and others went beyond stating the glaringly obvious that religions have some commonality to the conclusion that they are different ways to reach the same God. 

The problem for most Hindus is prayer's are not offered to a God but to any one of the many deities, call them murthy idols if you will. The diversity of practices might seemingly unite the prayer with the absolute, but as is evident, the nation needs to sing from a single hymn sheet. That is impossible if there is no end to debate and a settlement of doctrines. We need to as Hindu community do somethings together regularly and systematically without the intrusion of others on our space. That is by the adoption of the Bhagavid Gita as the common prayer book of all Hindus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harapriya</p>
<p>I think we are in danger of dissipating our energy in endless debate without any resolution. We need to bring more order than exists. </p>
<p>The way I see it is that the orthadox Hindus want to rely solely on the Vedas as the source, whereas most of the nation goes by the Bhagavid Gita. The Bhagavid Gita should be the single authority for all Hindus and the Vedas relegated to the postion of the old testabment. The old testament is very important as I no doubt believe the Vedas to be too. So instead of the Brahmins fighting this, why cannot they join the rest of the Hindus in this unifying process?</p>
<p>Thank you for agreeing that the position of priests should be open to people who are brahmins by temperament and training and not soley by caste. Even the VHP does not practice this. </p>
<p>I agree that that there has been a Hindu cultural and religious ethos identified with the land mass of India. Equally, the betrayel of Bharat by Hindu leaders is an unescapble fact of today. I have every right to be agrieved by the brahmins as a caste who in the last election voted to return the Congress Pary to power. Lets not quible about words, they may have ceased to be brahmins or are now mere Hindus because their conduct is unbecoming of them. Neither do I want to spare the rest of the Hindus who did likewise. There is no doubt that the BJP has serious faults as indeed their associated organisations but everyone voting with their feets has been the greatest of Hindu failings. </p>
<p>It was right to complain about the designs and and wrongs of the British and their Christians when they were ruling but in this election, India reinstated them no less in the person of Sonia Gandhi and her followers. It is a fatal mistake to ignore the reasons why Hindus did this and not to escape from it as if it is some sort of British conspiracy. The British did indeed make an assault on Hindu practices and customs such as sutee and they were bound to do so as rulers and how else were they to do it than by making comparison of their own. </p>
<p>What Ram Mohan Roy did was to incorporate Christian rationalism into Hinduism because Hinduism to this day is unable to bring rationale discourse into how it should be governed. I am not persuaded that that made him crypto Christian. I think the problem started when Ramakrishna and others went beyond stating the glaringly obvious that religions have some commonality to the conclusion that they are different ways to reach the same God. </p>
<p>The problem for most Hindus is prayer&#8217;s are not offered to a God but to any one of the many deities, call them murthy idols if you will. The diversity of practices might seemingly unite the prayer with the absolute, but as is evident, the nation needs to sing from a single hymn sheet. That is impossible if there is no end to debate and a settlement of doctrines. We need to as Hindu community do somethings together regularly and systematically without the intrusion of others on our space. That is by the adoption of the Bhagavid Gita as the common prayer book of all Hindus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the &#8220;heart&#8221; always wins&#8230; by GJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Your excellent post&lt;/b&gt; has been back-linked in
hinduonline.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Your excellent post</b> has been back-linked in<br />
hinduonline.blogspot.com/</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Eclipse of the Hindu Nation&#8221; - Excerpt from &#8216;Introduction&#8217; by K. Harapriya</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Harapriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the reason why Hindus find unity so elusive is that we are in fact, what Dr. Frank Morales calls, Neo-Hindus.  We as a class know of the scriptures only by name and not content and we also have accepted the history of ourselves as told by the British and other Europeans.  It is almost as though we are searching for the truth about ourselves in this environment--one that   combines a  lack of knowledge  with the arrogance of certitude that we actually know what we are searching for.

Part of the Neo-Hindu identity is the desire to mold Hinduism into categories that are acceptable to the West.  This has actually been a long process, dating back to the Arya Samaj of Swami Dayananda, who thought that Hinduism should be the strictly the Vedic religion of fire sacrifices and not the murthy worshipping bhakthi movement of later years. Here too, you find an individual who has internalized the concept that murthy (idol) worship is wrong.  The funniest thing is that no Hindu actually worships the idol as the limited stone sculpture that it is--it is a symbol of something greater --yet most Neo Hindus will call their murthis idols, demeaning their own tradition.

The twin charges that there was never a Hindu nation and that Hindu kings of the past were never fighting for the Hindu nation, usually levelled by Neo Hindus is again a product of ignorance.  A more careful reading both the Ramayana and Mahabharata will reveal that though there were many princely states, these all understood the common dharma that united them, as well as a common beliefs. That is why both Rama and Ravana offer prayers to the same Lord Shiva and why both these epics were celebrated all over India in all the regional languages and cultures.  It is also the reason why Adi Shankara was able to go from his home state in Kerala all the way to Kashmir and set up his Mathas.

The charge that Hindu Kings were not fighting for the Hindu dharma and it was merely the desire to protect their kingdom is again a Neo Hindu reading of history.  We are constantly told by them that all the Mughal rulers were also Indian and should be thought of as such and not as outsiders.  Actually, the Mughals, and other Islamic invaders and rulers considered themselves as outsiders, and of a superior culture than the Hindus.  They never thought of the locals as their own people. Hence, the desire to constantly subjugate them by destroying their places of worship etc. So  present day Hindus considering these rulers as outsiders is the correct reading of history.  Shivaji also knew this--hence fighting the outsiders to protect ones nation (state)a is in fact fighting for dharma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason why Hindus find unity so elusive is that we are in fact, what Dr. Frank Morales calls, Neo-Hindus.  We as a class know of the scriptures only by name and not content and we also have accepted the history of ourselves as told by the British and other Europeans.  It is almost as though we are searching for the truth about ourselves in this environment&#8211;one that   combines a  lack of knowledge  with the arrogance of certitude that we actually know what we are searching for.</p>
<p>Part of the Neo-Hindu identity is the desire to mold Hinduism into categories that are acceptable to the West.  This has actually been a long process, dating back to the Arya Samaj of Swami Dayananda, who thought that Hinduism should be the strictly the Vedic religion of fire sacrifices and not the murthy worshipping bhakthi movement of later years. Here too, you find an individual who has internalized the concept that murthy (idol) worship is wrong.  The funniest thing is that no Hindu actually worships the idol as the limited stone sculpture that it is&#8211;it is a symbol of something greater &#8211;yet most Neo Hindus will call their murthis idols, demeaning their own tradition.</p>
<p>The twin charges that there was never a Hindu nation and that Hindu kings of the past were never fighting for the Hindu nation, usually levelled by Neo Hindus is again a product of ignorance.  A more careful reading both the Ramayana and Mahabharata will reveal that though there were many princely states, these all understood the common dharma that united them, as well as a common beliefs. That is why both Rama and Ravana offer prayers to the same Lord Shiva and why both these epics were celebrated all over India in all the regional languages and cultures.  It is also the reason why Adi Shankara was able to go from his home state in Kerala all the way to Kashmir and set up his Mathas.</p>
<p>The charge that Hindu Kings were not fighting for the Hindu dharma and it was merely the desire to protect their kingdom is again a Neo Hindu reading of history.  We are constantly told by them that all the Mughal rulers were also Indian and should be thought of as such and not as outsiders.  Actually, the Mughals, and other Islamic invaders and rulers considered themselves as outsiders, and of a superior culture than the Hindus.  They never thought of the locals as their own people. Hence, the desire to constantly subjugate them by destroying their places of worship etc. So  present day Hindus considering these rulers as outsiders is the correct reading of history.  Shivaji also knew this&#8211;hence fighting the outsiders to protect ones nation (state)a is in fact fighting for dharma.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Eclipse of the Hindu Nation&#8221; - Excerpt from &#8216;Introduction&#8217; by K. Harapriya</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Harapriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Khandu Patel.  "But the Vedas ...became the strictly guarded secrets of the Brahmins" Well, not anymore. The entire Veda is available on the Web in transliteration and translation and pretty much accessible to anyone.  Furthermore, at least in Tamil Nadu, anyone can study to become a Temple priest and has access to all the ancient texts .

"Brahmins...acting to undermine the Hindus of India" Before levelling such a charge you better have some proof. In fact, much  of the impetus to preserve the traditional Hinduism seems to be from the Brahmin community, whether it is the desire to preserve the ancient texts on palm leaves which are now being put online, or the number of people from the Brahmin commmunity who serve as gurus, tranmitting the teachings of the scriptures so that it is available to the masses.  Even the Rama Sethu was stalled because a "Brahmin" in the form of Subramaniam Swamy decided to file a court case.   

Look into every pro-Hindu movement or organization and I bet you'll find a person of the brahmin community.  

There is an important message here--the rest of Hindu community cannot just exclude the Brahmins as some villainous creature, and then expect them to actually do something for Hinduism.  

Brahmins invariably face bad PR no matter what they do:  if they serve to preserve the Hindu dharma and samaj they are accused of wanting to hold onto the inequalities of the past; and if they don't do anything, they are accused of betraying the Hindu society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Khandu Patel.  &#8220;But the Vedas &#8230;became the strictly guarded secrets of the Brahmins&#8221; Well, not anymore. The entire Veda is available on the Web in transliteration and translation and pretty much accessible to anyone.  Furthermore, at least in Tamil Nadu, anyone can study to become a Temple priest and has access to all the ancient texts .</p>
<p>&#8220;Brahmins&#8230;acting to undermine the Hindus of India&#8221; Before levelling such a charge you better have some proof. In fact, much  of the impetus to preserve the traditional Hinduism seems to be from the Brahmin community, whether it is the desire to preserve the ancient texts on palm leaves which are now being put online, or the number of people from the Brahmin commmunity who serve as gurus, tranmitting the teachings of the scriptures so that it is available to the masses.  Even the Rama Sethu was stalled because a &#8220;Brahmin&#8221; in the form of Subramaniam Swamy decided to file a court case.   </p>
<p>Look into every pro-Hindu movement or organization and I bet you&#8217;ll find a person of the brahmin community.  </p>
<p>There is an important message here&#8211;the rest of Hindu community cannot just exclude the Brahmins as some villainous creature, and then expect them to actually do something for Hinduism.  </p>
<p>Brahmins invariably face bad PR no matter what they do:  if they serve to preserve the Hindu dharma and samaj they are accused of wanting to hold onto the inequalities of the past; and if they don&#8217;t do anything, they are accused of betraying the Hindu society.</p>
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