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		<title>Of Chitis, Yajnam &amp; Athirathram – Guest Post by KV Sarma J</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear All: It is my pleasure to publish this guest post by KV Sarma J on &#8220;Athirathram&#8221; - one of the most ancient and sacred ritual associates with Vedic Dharma.  I should confess that if you had mentioned the word &#8220;Athirathram&#8221; to me before April, I would have drawn a blank on it. Now, I know better &#8211; in large part due to the efforts of bloggers like KV and others. Below is a condensed version of the full series that appeared on KV Sarma J&#8217;s blog&#8230;Please read, share and ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All: It is my pleasure to publish this guest post by KV Sarma J on &#8220;<strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Athirathram&#8221;</span></strong> <strong>- one of the most ancient and sacred ritual associates with Vedic Dharma</strong>.  I should confess that if you had mentioned the word &#8220;Athirathram&#8221; to me before April, I would have drawn a blank on it. Now, I know better &#8211; in large part due to the efforts of bloggers like KV and others. Below is a condensed version of the full series that appeared on KV Sarma J&#8217;s blog&#8230;Please read, share and enjoy&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">*** <strong>Of Chitis, Yajnam and Athirathram</strong> by <strong>KV Sarma J</strong> ***</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">*** CAUTION: Long Post ***</p>
<blockquote><p>The <a href="http://athirathram2011.com/">Panjal Athirathra</a> Yajnam..takes 12 days to complete and is a very complex process involving Rig, Yajur and Sama Veda recitation and procedural details. Though Athirathram had been performed in 1990 and in 2006 as well, the importance of this Athirathram is that it is again being conducted in Panjal after a gap of 35 years. Panjal in Thrissur District in Kerala is considered as Yajna bhumi as it has a history of several Yajnas in the past.</p>
<p>&#8230;Panjal Athirathram 2011, should be treated as the Dharma Karyam of the year. In fact, one would have expected Governments of both Kerala and India to show support and make arrangements to ensure success of this project. However, Government of Kerala is going for polls while Government of India is busy supporting other causes. Vedic Rituals like Athirathram evoke immense sense of history among Hindus, the battered ones of this wretched and ungrateful country. As our tradition is slowly eroding in the waves of modernization, events like Athirathram give some hope that future generations may know that ancient Hindus were not barbaric lot as pictured in some History books, but were masters of various sciences.</p></blockquote>
<p>For those who are interested in the <a href="https://vivekitam.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/athirathram-a-perspective-1/">structural aspects of Yagasala and Yajna-sthanam, please read KV&#8217;s first post on Athirathram here</a>.  <strong>The history of Athirathram and its mention in historical records is fascinating in itself&#8230;As KV Sarma mentions</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Pravara Sena I, who is placed around at 275 AD to 335 AD by the authors Ramesh Chandra Majumdar and Anant Sadashiv Altekar in this book, is said to have <a href="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=OswUZtL1_CUC&amp;pg=PA101#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">conducted all Yajnams </a>successfully including the most difficult Vajapeya Yajnam, after which he was given the title &#8220;Samrat&#8221;, which can be loosely translated to Emperor in English.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 355px"><a href="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=OswUZtL1_CUC&amp;pg=PA101&amp;img=1&amp;pgis=1&amp;dq=atiratra&amp;sig=ACfU3U0vgW_Nb9uR8kcxs5Veumoj50u_fQ&amp;edge=0"><img class=" " title="Pravatrasena I performed Athirathra Yajnam as per inscriptions" src="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=OswUZtL1_CUC&amp;pg=PA101&amp;img=1&amp;pgis=1&amp;dq=atiratra&amp;sig=ACfU3U0vgW_Nb9uR8kcxs5Veumoj50u_fQ&amp;edge=0" alt="" width="345" height="74" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Pravasena I (275 - 335 AD) performed Athirathra Yajnam</p></div>
<p>While dates of Pravarasena I, Vakatakas and Gupta dynasty is a topic of huge controversy and discussion, one cannot disprove the argument that Pravarasena conducted Athirathram and other Yajnams.</p>
<h4><strong>ASI Reviews</strong></h4>
<p><a href="http://asi.nic.in/nmma_reviews/Indian%20Archaeology%201957-58%20A%20Review.pdf">ASI in its 1957-58 review</a> (page 56) revealed at least two types of altars &#8211; Kurmachiti and Syenachiti at Kausmbi near Allahabad. ASI would like to believe that Purushamedha happened at the site, despite no presence of Human Skull but only a Purusha made of lime. That is actually an interesting observation as <a href="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=OswUZtL1_CUC&amp;pg=PA101#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">ASI Review of the year 1997-98</a> (page 137) revealed another Syenachiti structure found at Mansar near Nagpur. While Mansar site finding is quite clearly syenachiti structure according to description of the sites, even though no human skull was found like at Kausumbi site, ASI seems to have arrived at the conclusion that Purushamedha was performed at both sites. It is astonishing that ASI didnt consult a vedic pundit to ratify these conclusions.</p>
<p>It gets even more interesting as one reads <a href="http://asi.nic.in/nmma_reviews/Indian Archaeology 1988-89 A Review.pdf">ASI Review of the year 1988-89</a> (page 76). ASI found a huge structure of several altar constructions mostly in the form of a rectangular structure at Sanghol near Ludhiana in Punjab. From what has been described in the document, it could be the Peethan, which is considered as fully grown falcon. <a href="http://athirathram2011.com/images/garuda4.JPG">This picture</a> would give an understanding (click to enlarge)</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 311px"><a href="http://athirathram2011.com/images/garuda4.JPG"><img class="   " title="Syenachiti of a fully grown Syena" src="http://athirathram2011.com/images/garuda4.JPG" alt="" width="301" height="189" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">A square (Chathurasra) variety of Syenachiti (Click to enlarge)</p></div>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>One may question the importance of dating these sites properly. T<strong>he importance of such careful study lies in the fact that all these sites are miles apart. There was also a syenachiti structure found in <a href="http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;cd=18&amp;ved=0CEoQFjAHOAo&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ias.ac.in%2Fcurrsci%2Fnov252003%2F1478.pdf&amp;rct=j&amp;q=Syenachiti&amp;ei=BIysTd_VB4LCvQOa1PT_CQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNGFPs8q0PgiEO9jbw6aXuWR9lgqGg&amp;sig2=BI9AwOF2CCIJpuKwVAy2iQ&amp;cad=rja">Purola, Uttaranchal</a> by ASI. This means Syenachiti strucutres were found in Northwest India, Central India, West India, Northern India. </strong>Given that Vakataka inscriptions indicate that Pravara Sena III also performed all Somayagams and he ruled from Malwa to Tungabhadra, there is a clear possibility that Somayagam practice was there not just in North/Central India but across India.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mlbd.com/BookDecription.aspx?id=11417">Some coins were found in Uttarakhand</a> with Syenachiti imprinted on them.<strong> This means that Syenachiti might have been a very popular chiti structure in Soma and Havir yagams. However, the most important point with respect to Syenachiti structure is that <a href="http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/harappa-mohenjodaro.html">Indus Valley civilizations have some fire altars</a></strong>. It is not very clear whether these were household fire altars are specialized fire altars where these yagams could have been conducted. The difference between these special yagams and nithya yagams like Agnohotra etc., lie in the type of material and length of the homa also. Pursuing investigation with this important piece of information could reveal a different story. But for such an open investigation, first we have to come out of the &#8220;vedic nomads&#8221; and separation of the periods when four Vedas were written. Such a paradigm shift is important in mapping India&#8217;s history as putting Indus Valley Civilization in sync with historical findings pointing to later years will mean direct connection that Indus Valley People later were known as Hindus and so invasion of Indus Valley people could have never happened.</p>
<h4><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Syena-Chiti-Athirathram.jpg"></a></h4>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="size-medium wp-image-11540  aligncenter" title="Syena Chiti Athirathram" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Syena-Chiti-Athirathram-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="210" height="158" /></p>
<h4><em style="font-weight: normal;">Image courtesy: <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/vividvivek/AVisitToPanjalAthirathramAndGuruvayurappan#5594741886090314418" target="_blank">KV Sarma J </a></em></h4>
<h4><strong>Athirathram in Epics</strong></h4>
<p>While Athirathram and Syenachiti findings around 2 BC to 2 AD are one side of the story, Athirathram and all other somayagams find mention in two of the most important epics of Hinduism &#8211; Ramayana and Mahabharata.</p>
<p><strong>In Ramayana</strong>, when Dasaratha conducted Aswamedha Yajnam, he did not stop with Aswamedha Yajnam. He is said to have conducted other Yajnams too. To quote this verse from Bala Kanda,</p>
<blockquote><p>ukthyam dvitiiyam sa.mkhyaatam <strong>atiraatram</strong> tathottaram |<br />
kaaritaaH tatra bahavo vihitaaH shaastra darshanaat ||</p>
<p>उक्थ्यं द्वितीयम् संख्यातं <strong>अतिरात्रं</strong> तथोत्तरम |<br />
कारिताः तत्र बहवो विहिताः शास्त्र दर्शनात् ||</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaning</p>
<blockquote><p>The ritual on the second day is called <em> ukthyam</em>, and the next one performed on third day is called <strong><em> athiraathra</em></strong>. These apart many of the preordained rituals are performed there in that ritual as envisaged in scriptures</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;the fascinating part is about the mention of chiti that was constructed for these yajnams. The same Sarga (14th) in Bala Kanda has some details:</p>
<blockquote><p>iSTakaaH ca yathaa nyaayam kaaritaaH ca pramaaNataH |<br />
<strong>cito.agniH</strong> braahmaNaiH tatra kushalaiH shiplakarmaNi ||</p>
<p>sacityo raaja si.mhasya sa.ncitaH kushalaiH dvijaiH |<br />
<strong>garuDo rukmapakSo</strong> vai triguNo aSTaa dashaatmakaH ||</p>
<p>इष्टकाः च यथा न्यायं कारिताः च प्रमाणतः |<br />
<strong>चितोअग्निः</strong> ब्राह्मणैः तत्र कुशलैः शिप्लकर्मणि ||</p>
<p>सचित्यो राज सिंहस्य संचितः कुशलैः द्विजैः |<br />
<strong>गरुडो रुक्मपक्सो</strong> वै त्रिगुणो अस्ता दशात्मकः ||</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaning</p>
<blockquote><p>The bricks for Altar of Fire are well designed and made according to rules and standard measurements. The Brahmans who are experts in the architecture of laying Fire Altar, by calculating the ritual field with a one-ply rope and decide where and how the that shall be, the Altar of Fire is layered well with bricks in that ritual. That Altar of Fire of that King, the Lion, is layered by expert Brahmans in the <strong>shape of an eagle</strong> with golden wings, with its size being three folds bigger than the altars of other rituals, thus it has eighteen separators, and fire is laid on it.</p></blockquote>
<p>A mistake that has been done by the translators is in translating &#8220;garuda&#8221; to &#8220;eagle&#8221;. Garuda is not considered as an Eagle. Garuda is considered as a Falcon. Some think of Garuda as a Kite. However, Garuda has been referred to in other puranas as Syena i.e., Falcon.  A very important question that could be asked is &#8220;if syenachiti constructed was 18 layered as mentioned in Bala Kanda, did people of Ramayana times know detailed mathematics involved in constructing Syenachiti?&#8221;. This question requires investigation not just because a Syenachiti is mentioned in Ramayana, but Syenachiti also finds a mention in Mahabharata as well.</p>
<p><strong>In Mahabharata</strong>, the word Atiratra as a reference to yajnam along with other yajnams, happens in Vana parva. Following verse clarifies:</p>
<blockquote><p>कृत्तिका माघयोश्चैव तीर्थं आसाद्य भारत ||<br />
<strong>अग्निष्टोमातिरात्राभ्यां</strong> फलं प्राप्नोति पुण्यकृत ||</p>
<p>kṛttikā maghayoś caiva tīrtham āsādya bhārata<br />
<strong>agniṣṭomātirātrābhyāṃ</strong> phalaṃ prāpnoti puṇyakṛt</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaning</p>
<blockquote><p>The one who takes the tirtha &#8211; piligrimage (of Prabhasa as referred to in preceding shloka) in the month of Karthika Or Krittika would acquire the same result as one who conducts <strong>Agnishtoma and Atiratra Yajnas</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;The most important point, with Mahabharata text is, however with respect to Garuda shaped fire altar. That which we now call Syenachiti is not referred to as Syenachiti in available text but as Garuda shaped Chiti.</p>
<blockquote><p>इष्टकाः काञ्चनीश्चात्र चयनार्थं कृताभवन् |<br />
शुशुभे चयनं तत्र दक्षस्व प्रतपतेः ||</p>
<p>चतुश्चित्यः स तस्यासीदष्टादशकरात्मकः |<br />
स रुक्मपक्षो निचितस्त्रिगुणो <strong>गरुदाकृतिः</strong> ||</p>
<p>iṣṭakāḥ kāñcanīś cātra cayanārthaṃ kṛtābhavan<br />
śuśubhe cayanaṃ tatra dakṣasyeva prajāpateḥ</p>
<p>catuś cityaḥ sa tasyāsīd aṣṭādaśa karātmakaḥ<br />
sa rukmapakṣo nicitas triguṇo <strong>garuḍākṛtiḥ</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Meaning</p>
<blockquote><p>Bricks made of gold were used to build Chayana or Chiti. The Chayana made for the purpose resembled the chiti that was made by Daksha Prajapati. (meaning of only the first shloka above)</p></blockquote>
<p>For translating the second shloka mentioned above, first compare it with the one describing chiti from Ramayana.</p>
<blockquote><p>सचित्यो राज सिंहस्य संचितः कुशलैः द्विजैः |<br />
गरुडो रुक्मपक्सो वै <strong>त्रिगुणो अष्टा दशात्मकः</strong> || [Ramayana description]</p>
<p>चतुश्चित्यः स तस्यासी<strong>दष्टादश</strong>करात्मकः |<br />
स रुक्मपक्षो निचित<strong>स्त्रिगुणो</strong> गरुदाकृतिः || [Mahabharata description]</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Both descriptions are different, yet they both curiously use two words &#8211; अष्टादश, त्रिगुणो</strong></p>
<p>The translation for अष्टादश is quite straighforward &#8211; 18. The translation for त्रिगुणो is different according to valmikiramayan.net and Kisari Mohan Ganguli.  <a href="http://valmikiramayan.net/bala/sarga14/bala_14_frame.htm">valmikiramayana.net</a> calls it &#8220;three times&#8221; where as <a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m14/m14088.htm">Kisari Mohan Ganguli</a> calls it &#8220;having three angles&#8221;. Defining त्रिगुणो as &#8220;having three angles&#8221; does not fit the context of Syenachiti structure &#8211; be it panchapatrika, shadpatrika or petthana because all these structures have at least four angles : at beak, two at wings and at tail. So, the meaning of the shloka</p>
<blockquote><p>चतुश्चित्यः स तस्यासीदष्टादशकरात्मकः |<br />
स रुक्मपक्षो निचितस्त्रिगुणो <strong>गरुदाकृतिः</strong> ||</p></blockquote>
<p>should be</p>
<blockquote><p>The chayana was 18 layered and was three times bigger than usual chiti.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thus, both Ramayana and Mahabharata clearly mention shlokas describing the use of Syenachiti of 18 layers. Since it is clear from Vedic ritual that the chiti structure is not built as a single monolithic structure but is built out of several bricks of different shapes arranged in an orderly fashion, one can come to several conclusions. These conclusions will be part of concluding post in this series.</p>
<h4><strong>During British Raj and Post Independence</strong></h4>
<p>Since Athirathra yajnam, which is one of the seven somayagams, occupies such an important place in Hindu history starting much earlier than Ramayana times (by Ramayana time, the complete procedure seems to be quite mature), it would be interesting to see if there is any record of Athirathram being performed during British Raj and after Independence. This investigation is important to understand, support or counter, whichever the case may be, the theory that &#8220;Dr. Fritz Staal&#8217;s generous funding of 1975 athirathram protected it from extinction&#8221;. It is quite well documented that yajnas were performed during British Raj. For instance, <a href="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=PBY_AAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=QU8MAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=4705,5090643&amp;dq=yajna&amp;hl=en">this news piece from 1944 Windsor Star Daily</a> records a &#8220;maha yajna&#8221; conducted on the banks of Jamuna River. Unfortunately not many details are present in this digitized news piece. The photograph (though not very clear) shown in the copy shows a yagasala which is pretty much like the one required for Somayagams.</p>
<p>Also, there are also websites which record history of yajnas done by vedic pundits since 1930s. While there are several records of Agnishtoma and Aptoryama conducted in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu, there is very little information on Athirathram being conducted between 1920s and 1950s. It is, however, a well recorded fact that 1956 saw an Athirathram near Panjal. Surekha Pillai who handled PR for Panjal Athirathram 2011 on behalf of Varthathe trust has taken pictures of <a href="http://twitpic.com/4k8sr8">1956</a> and <a href="http://twitpic.com/4k8u2u">1918</a> Athirathram sites. She says &#8220;it is amazing to see the site after so many years with a huge Banyan tree growing at the middle of the chiti&#8221;. Quite amazing indeed, as the picture itself shows.</p>
<p>Despite lack of direct evidence, there is one documented record from <a href="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=cp5FAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA610&amp;sig=ACfU3U0ZSGPNwKq9xslv-i75xK1tJQiMVw&amp;q=atiratra#search_anchor">American Philosophical Society 1963 year book</a> that Tamil Nadu was conducting all somayagams regularly.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 585px"><a href="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=cp5FAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA610&amp;img=1&amp;pgis=1&amp;dq=atiratra&amp;sig=ACfU3U1d5XZZrMYdas87LWhm3h56dxS9Og&amp;edge=0"><img title="American Philosophical Society Year Book 1963" src="http://books.google.co.in/books?id=cp5FAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA610&amp;img=1&amp;pgis=1&amp;dq=atiratra&amp;sig=ACfU3U1d5XZZrMYdas87LWhm3h56dxS9Og&amp;edge=0" alt="" width="575" height="93" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">TN was conducting all varieties of samayagams at a rate of 2-5 yearly.</p></div>
<p>To quote from the information available on Google Books:</p>
<blockquote><p>While the Aiyars of Madras State continue to perform somayaga-sacrifices at the rate of 2 to 5 yearly, whilst all other six varities have been performed during the last decades, the Nambudiris used to perform only two i.e., agnistoma and (agnicayana-)atiratra, and this occurred last in 1956. That year may have marked the end of a tradition of millennia&#8230;..</p></blockquote>
<p>This is an very important information, which basically may prove with some more evidence conclusively, that Kerala&#8217;s tradition of Athirathram was in danger but not Athirathra Yajnam as a whole. The notion that Athirathra Yajnam required foreign support to be preserved might as well be a misconception. However, the question still remains as to why &#8220;Kerala tradition was in danger at all?&#8221;. The plausible answer is</p>
<blockquote><p>Lack of communication among Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Kerala where vedic pundits and financial distress of the time could have been the reasons for such a desperate situation. Without much doubt, one can say the local administration didnt find these vedic procedures worthy enough to be encouraged.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that non governmental institutions were silent during this time. Some indepth reading indicates that several institutions were formed to ensure Vedic tradition continues. Several veda vidya peethams across South had collaborative programmes with those in Ujjain and Varanasi &#8211; a sort of knowledge sharing.</p>
<p><strong>The history of Athirathram traces to as far as Ramayana. Depending upon which country one is from and the accepted school of thought, it could mean Athirathram goes back to 1400 BC or even further to 7000 BC </strong>or beyond Ice age (by Hindu Yuga structure).</p>
<p>&#8230;It has been explained on several occasions that ancients Hindus knew a lot about various sciences. There are several references clearly describing economics, politics, probability, geometry, trigonometry, mathematics of numbers, chemical sciences and several other fields. Yajnas are probably the best places to explore how vedas describe laws, rules and assumptions made by the ancient Hindus while exploring these sciences. For instance, many feel that Bhagavata Purana has <a href="http://www.movinghandtypes.com/2008/05/1-where-would-you-be-at-27-degrees-and.html">metaphorical explanation of concepts like Time Dilation</a>. Some feel that Vedas themselves were divided into Shakas by Veda Vyasa using principles of Graph Theory. Mathematicians also worked on <a href="http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;cd=3&amp;ved=0CCkQFjAC&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fuser.phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de%2F~petersen%2Fpaper%2Fpetersen_jolli_proof.pdf&amp;rct=j&amp;q=A%20Mathematical%20analysis%20of%20sanskrit&amp;ei=ycm6TcfnIITsrQfNsK3yBQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNFtI9I4ZtH-7rThBM8dEeT918fn1g&amp;sig2=rnpzry9AAp88qFvuYEJOAA&amp;cad=rja">mathematical analysis of Sanskrit</a>. Yajna is no exception. Thus, Athirathram is no exception. Specifically, two areas are worth talking about.</p>
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<li>What is the cumulative effect of a Yajna?</li>
<li>What is Mathematics involved in chiti construction?</li>
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<h4><span style="font-weight: normal;">&#8230;</span>What is Mathematics involved in chiti construction?</h4>
<p>The most fascinating aspect of Yajna, as described in part 1 of this series is perhaps Chitis (in both mahavedi and agnihotra sala) and its construction. Chiti comes from the sanskrit root Chit. Unfortunately, foreigners relate chiti to &#8220;pile&#8221;, but apte relates chiti to &#8220;chit&#8221;. A Chiti is made up of a specific structure. As mentioned in part 1 of this series, several types of chitis are used. Lot of research has already been done on Mathematics involved in chiti construction. All the structures known to Hindus have been explained in a great detail in Srouta Sutras detailed in Kalpa Sutras.</p>
<p>In the papers published so far, researchers quote several sutras as sources for chiti construction process. It is thus logical that chiti construction is distributed across sutras. Another curious question is</p>
<blockquote><p>Could it be that there was a formal conference during which these sutras were drafted or direction of documentation of these sutras happened?</p></blockquote>
<p>Foreign historians place each author of Kalpa Sutra books at various points in history. But the similarities present in these sutras is a very important aspect which cannot be ignored. Whatever be the case with dating of Kalpa Sutras, one cannot contest the fact that the chitis are described in these sutras in excruciating detail and often, mathematical precision reaches upto 10 or more decimal points. To quote John F Price in <a href="http://www.ithaca.edu/osman/crs/sp10/265/cal/lec/w7/SulbaSutras.pdf">this paper</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>For me, there are three outstanding features of the Sulba Sotras: the wholeness and consistency of their geometrical results and constructions, the elegance and beauty of the citis, and the indication that the Sutras have a much deeper purpose</p></blockquote>
<p>John F Price also explains that all Kalpa Sutras have a common format.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Sulba Sutras form part of the Kalpa Sltras which in turn are a part of the Vedangas. There are four main Sulba SUtras, the Baudhayana. the Apastamba, the Manava, and the Katvavana, and a number of smaller ones. One of the meanings of Sulba is &#8220;string, cord or rope.&#8221; The general formats of the main Sulba Sltras are the same; each starts with sections on geometrical and arithmetical constructions and ends rvith details of how to build citis which, for the moment, u&#8217;e interpret as ceremonial platforms or altars. The measurements for the geometrical constructions are performed by drawing arcs with different radii and centers using a cord or Sulba.</p></blockquote>
<p>This quote from a Mathematics researcher actually strengthens our reasons to think in the direction of question posed above. There is a definite possibility that writers of sutras were contemporaries or at best 2-3 generations apart (generation being 2-3 decades). It is also possible that there was a formal mechanism to document these observations. It is common knowledge of every Hindu that all sutras are observations from Vedas. So another area of research would be to identify the sources of Sutras in Vedas so that any sutras which were lost in time could be rewritten.</p>
<p>&#8230;<strong>Syena Chiti</strong></p>
<p>Syena Chiti is described by John F Price as shown in this picture.</p>
<div id="attachment_457" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 190px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-457" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/?attachment_id=457"><img class="size-medium wp-image-457 " title="Syena Chiti" src="http://vivekitam.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/syena-chiti.jpg?w=300" alt="Syena Chiti" width="180" height="70" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Syena Chiti, Garuda shaped Chiti Schematic as described by John F Price.</p></div>
<p>There is a difference in schematic as described by John F Price and <a href="http://www.dam.brown.edu/people/mumford/Math191/lectures/Lecture3.pdf">S N Sen and AK Bag</a> in their commentaries. S N Sen and A K Bag also provide numbering on each brick used for chiti. This is an important aspect as in Athirathram 2011 also similar numbering was seen.</p>
<p>..Syena Chiti is described in Boudhayana Sulba Sutra in Second Section. First section describes construction of square, circle etc. Second section describes construction of Garhapatya chiti and subsequent sections describe construction of other complex chitis.</p>
<h5><strong>Ratha Chakra Chiti</strong></h5>
<div id="attachment_458" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-458" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/?attachment_id=458"><img class="size-medium wp-image-458" title="Ratha Chakra Chiti" src="http://vivekitam.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/ratha-chakra-chiti.jpg?w=300" alt="Ratha Chakra Chiti" width="300" height="148" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Ratha Chakra Chiti schematic as described by John F Price</p></div>
<p>John F Price gives the following schematic of Ratha Chakra Chiti in his paper.</p>
<p>Ratha Chakra chiti description is fairly similar according to others like S N Sen and A K Bag. This chiti has an interesting mathematical detail according to John F Price.</p>
<blockquote><p>The initial calculations for determining the different parts of the &#8216;*&#8217;heel are in terms of square bricks each of area 1/30 square purusas. Since the final area is required to be 7.5 square purusas, the number of bricks is 7.5 x 30 : 225. The nave of the wheel consists of 16 of these bricks. the spokes 64 and the rim 145, making 225 in all. The spaces between the spokes are equal in area to the spokes and so, if these spaces are included,the overall area is 225 + 64 : 289 bricks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice that overall area is curiously comes from a Pythagorean set {8,15,17}.</p>
<h5><strong>&#8230;</strong></h5>
<h5><a style="font-size: 13px; font-weight: normal;" href="http://www.peturhalldorsson.com/papers/papers/VistasAst.pdf">Subhash Kak</a><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"> explains that there are as many as 95 chitis which are built in sequence. The obvious questions are</span></span></h5>
<blockquote><p>Why did the authors of Sulba Sutras propose this sequence?</p>
<p>What is the importance of this sequence?</p></blockquote>
<p>There are a few questions that would be great points of research. Also, Sutras also describe a very detailed structure for odd and even layers. They are more like Figure and Ground. On this point, another question that comes up is</p>
<blockquote><p>Whether <a href="https://vivekitam.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/geb-properties-of-natural-numbers-and-chamakam/">number sequences described in Rudram</a> relate to Chiti construction and layers involved?</p></blockquote>
<h4><strong>Conclusion</strong></h4>
<p>In Truthiyadhyaya (3rd chapter) of Bhagavadgita, Sri Krishna explains to Arjuna on why Yajnas have to be done.</p>
<blockquote><p>अन्नाद्भवन्ति भूतानि पर्जन्याद् अन्नसंभवः |<br />
यज्ञाद्भवति पर्जन्यो यज्ञः कर्म समुद्भवः ||</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaning</p>
<blockquote><p>All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajna [sacrifice], and yajna is born of prescribed duties.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sri Krishna explains this in third adhyaya which fundamentally gives an explanation of Karma Yoga. Panjal Athirathram thus becomes the Dharma Karyam of the year. Performing of Yajnas is a Hindu&#8217;s duty precisely because it results in rain which provides food. Thus, Yajna is a technological process at least by the time of Krishna.</p>
<p>The million dollar question on 15th of April at Panjal was whether or not it would rain. On 15th April 2011, at 9:30, just as Athirathram was about to conclude, Panjal experience heavy downpour for about 30 minutes. The same happened in 1975 according to media archives. More than what happened, people&#8217;s reaction is something to be taken into account. <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/surekhapillai/status/58921508885643265">At around 9:30, Surekha Pillai tweeted live from Panjal</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>there&#8217;s thunderstorm and people are cheering and clapping.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is indication of the faith that people have in Yajna procedures. So, to the question of whether Vedic Ritual is a scientific experiment, well it seems to be so because it did rain during properly performed Yajnas.</p>
<p>Apart from being our duty, Yajnas also become part of Hindu culture i.e., India&#8217;s culture. Sutras which document everything related to Yajnas are clearly products of extensive research done on Vedas.</p>
<p><strong>Several questions still remain</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Are the detailed notes in Sutras annotated texts of Vedas and Upanishads?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Did civilization at the time of Rama know sutras? If so, were Sutra writers contemporaries or ancestors of the civilization of Rama&#8217;s time?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Altars seen in Indus Valley indicate that they are Grahapatya chitis, which are for domestic use. Does this mean Sutra writers were before or during IVC or does it mean IVC were vedic and Sutra writers wrote annotated texts to Vedas?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Given that IVC cities were very sophisticated in urban planning, what are the odds that IVC were using all the complex structures for chitis described in sutras?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Why is there such a great detail on construction sequence of Chitis? Is it only to preserve tradition with hard and fast rules or does it have a greater significance?</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Each author of the four major Vedangas &#8211; Apasthamba, Boudhayana, Katyayana and Manava &#8211; wrote Sutras in four parts : Grihya, Sulba, Srouta and Dharma. Each set of four Sutras are definitely companion works and all the 16 should be put in perspective to get a bigger picture on how a common Hindu household would have been during the time of these works, as all these four describe all duties of a common Hindu. The similarities and cross referencing, if any must also be used while dating these writers because heavy citation/similarities across all 16 works would indicate that the writers were contemporaries and further, these works could have been the result of a formal convention on Vedic Studies of ancient times.</p>
<p>It is our Dharma to do our own research and put all these works in perspective with our Smritis and Puranas because these documents would provide a perspective on the life and times of our ancestors. It does not mean that foreign research should be discouraged. It only means that we should write our own history. If left to foreigners who do not understand terms like Dharma, Karma and other such important aspects of a common Hindu&#8217;s life, we would be left with inexplicable theories like Aryan Invasion.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>धर्मो रक्षित रक्षतः |</strong></p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;">***</h4>
<p>To the history and research buffs amongst you, I would urge you read through the <a href="http://vivekitam.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/athirathram-a-perspective-3/" target="_blank">whole series on KV&#8217;s blog</a>. You will notbe disappointed&#8230;and while you are at it, <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/vividvivek/AVisitToPanjalAthirathramAndGuruvayurappan#" target="_blank">have a look at some pictures too</a>&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Related</strong> Post: <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/03/04/lavan-vajra/" target="_blank">Lavan Vajra &amp; The Art of Rain-making</a></p>
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		<title>Jeffrey Armstrong on Vedas, Vimanas and Devas</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Parthasarathy-ji for alerting me to this recent interview of Jeffrey Armstrong. I found it fascinating for the breadth of subjects it covered and the insights it offered. Some excerpts below (emphasis added). As some of you may know,
Jeffrey Armstrong is an award-winning author of numerous books on Vedic knowledge..He is a philosopher, practitioner and teacher of the Vedas for the past 40 years. He has degrees in Psychology, History &#38; Comparative Religions, and Literature and had a successful career as an executive in Silicon Valley before turning to ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Parthasarathy-ji for alerting me to this recent <strong>interview of Jeffrey Armstrong</strong>. I found it fascinating for the breadth of subjects it covered and the insights it offered. <strong>Some excerpts below</strong> (emphasis added). As some of you may know,</p>
<blockquote><p>Jeffrey Armstrong is an award-winning author of numerous books on Vedic knowledge..He is a philosopher, practitioner and teacher of the Vedas for the past 40 years. He has degrees in Psychology, History &amp; Comparative Religions, and Literature and had a successful career as an executive in Silicon Valley before turning to teaching full time. Jeffrey Armstrong (Kavindra Rishi) is the founder of VASA – Vedic Academy of Sciences &amp; Arts in Vancouver Canada. ..(and) a global advocate for the Sanatana Dharma Culture.</p>
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<p><strong>Daily Bell: How did you get interested in Indian culture and religion?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeffrey Armstrong:</strong> Religion is the wrong word to use for India&#8217;s teachings. Religion is a word that is more accurately applied to the Middle Eastern Abrahamic cultures. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are religions. The origin of the word religion, from the Latin, is re-legare (a legalistic system of rules given by God) or &#8216;bound by rules.&#8217; Re = tied up or connected by, and ligion = legare = ligaments = to tie, bind or bandage. The usual idea is that the practitioner of a religion is bound up in rules or laws. This especially applies to the three Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, whereas the spiritual practices of India are called a Dharma Culture. <strong>The main difference is religions generally have one book of rules and stories whereas a Dharma culture has a library of spiritual and material knowledge aimed at understanding who we really are and how to properly use everything around us</strong>&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jeffrey-Armstrong.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-10241  aligncenter" title="Jeffrey Armstrong" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jeffrey-Armstrong.jpg" alt="Jeffrey Armstrong" width="150" height="150" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Daily Bell: What do you believe in and why? What application does it have to the West?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeffrey Armstrong: My lifelong effort has been to try to find things that are universally true rather than relatively true</strong>&#8230;</p>
<p>What we now call the West is the outgrowth of a tribal or city/state approach to living on the planet. This means if you take care of your tribe, you are seen as good. So, to all those tribes who were fighting against each other for thousands of years in a series of wars, that essentially meant that as long as the spoils of the wars were brought back and shared amongst the tribe, they were good. Alexander the Great was a prime example of this. He went out to rape, pillage and conquer, and was a monster to the rest of the world, but was considered great by his people, hence the name&#8230;India, on the other hand, is the only culture of its size in the world that has never gone out and tried to spread its beliefs by war. In fact, it has consistently given shelter to anyone from any culture. So, to compare histories, the west is a competitive, war-based civilization and India has been a nurturing, cooperation-based civilization on an epic scale&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Daily Bell: Are there lost Indian cities under the sea?</strong></p>
<p>Jeffrey Armstrong: There is at least one that was discovered in 2001 in the Bay of Cambay, which is off the west coast of India. In a routine, environmental scan of the bottom of the sea, a city was discovered which turns out to have the largest megalithic stones of any city in ancient times; artifacts were dated to about 10,000 years ago. ..The city sits in about 150 feet of water, which indicates it was built before the last melting of the polar ice caps, which most geologists date conservatively at about 12,000 years ago. It appears to have had a building format similar to the cities of Harappa and Mohendro Daro (3000-5000 BCE), which were previously thought to be the oldest cities of India ..But this underwater city off the coast of India suggests, conservatively, 15,000 years of sophisticated human history in India.</p>
<p><strong>Daily Bell: Did the ancient Indians know how to fly and to build flying machines? Are there replicas of these machines on the tops of ancient temples?</strong></p>
<p>Jeffrey Armstrong: On the latter question, I am not sure I have heard that there are replicas of the airplanes or Vimanas as they were referred to in the epic histories of India. But there are two Indian epics, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, the two epic poems that supposedly took place 5,000 years ago and over 1.2 million years ago in India, and the Ramayana actually begins with a scene in which a very sophisticated stolen airplane is being flown all over the Earth. <strong>Such ancient stories, thousands and thousands of years old, have no logical reason for talking about airplanes in any modern sense. Yet they do.</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;<strong>Daily Bell: Did ancient Indians consort with aliens and travel through time or to other dimensions?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeffrey Armstrong:</strong> The cosmology of India describes our universe as having fourteen parallel realities on multiple levels, all existing and intersecting within the material realm in which we are currently living.</p>
<p>One of those levels is called the Deva realm. The Deva realm is supposedly the home of the beings who actually conduct the laws of nature to which we are subject. <strong>This view of Divine helpers is much misunderstood as the so-called many gods or also as demi-gods, but in India they were never viewed as God, gods, demi-gods or in competition with God.</strong> They were, instead, viewed as souls (or more accurately atmas) like us, but living on another plane of material reality and performing specific jobs as administrators of the laws of nature. So, gods is the wrong word for many reasons, the main one being it implies &#8216;God,&#8217; which is not an Indian word in the first place. These beings are called Devas, meaning beings who &#8216;work in the light&#8217; assisting the Supreme Being by enforcing the laws of nature that allow the universe to function as it does.</p>
<p>&#8230;So as for the alien question, it was always the view in India that there are other dimensions of intelligent life in our universe who communicate with humans and that the Devas specifically are the intelligences operating behind the laws of Nature. &#8230;The Vedas describe infinitely multiple universes filled with many Earth-like and other diverse planets and many kinds of intelligent beings living in these other dimensions, some in contact with this realm.</p>
<p>The closest modern analogs are found in some of the theories of quantum physics, one being string theory, which suggests there are something like eleven parallel realities that are running simultaneously with ours. This idea in physics, of parallel realities crisscrossing, is undeniably reminiscent of the ancient teachings from India&#8230;</p>
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<p><strong>Somewhat Related</strong>: <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/09/06/vimanas-and-time-travel/" target="_blank">Of Vimanas and Time Travel</a> and <a href="http://varnam.org/blog/2005/10/where_is_krishnas_dwaraka/" target="_blank">Where is Krishana&#8217;s Dwaraka</a>? by Varnam</p>
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		<title>Next time you play snakes and ladders&#8230;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;don&#8217;t forget to tell the young ones about its origins! This post has been pending for a very long time in my drafts folder. It was prompted by a statement I read by chance many months ago about the origins of this favourite children&#8217;s game. That statement prompted some digging which ended up as this post. To start with this brief extract, courtesy Wikipedia about the origins of this game (emphasis added throughout):
Snakes and Ladders originated in India as a game based on morality called Vaikuntapaali (stairs to Vaikuntha) or ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8230;don&#8217;t forget to tell the young ones about its origins! </strong>This post has been pending for a very long time in my drafts folder. It was prompted by a statement I read by chance many months ago about the origins of this favourite children&#8217;s game. That statement prompted some digging which ended up as this post. To start with this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_and_ladders#cite_ref-Mathematical_Gazette_1-1" target="_blank">brief extract, courtesy Wikipedia</a> about the origins of this game (emphasis added throughout):</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Snakes and Ladders originated in India as a game based on morality called Vaikuntapaali </strong>(stairs to Vaikuntha)<strong> or Paramapada Sopanam </strong>(the ladder to salvation).  This game made its way to England, and was eventually introduced in the United States of America by game pioneer Milton Bradley in 1943.</p>
<p>&#8230;The game was played widely in ancient India by the name of Moksha Patamu, the earliest known Jain version Gyanbazi dating back to 16th century. <strong>The game was called &#8220;Leela&#8221; &#8211; and reflected the Hinduism consciousness around everyday life. Impressed by the ideals behind the game, a newer version was introduced in Victorian England in 1892,</strong> possibly by John Jacques of Jacques of London.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>Moksha Patamu was perhaps invented by Hindu spiritual teachers to teach children about the effects of good deeds as opposed to bad deeds.</strong></span> The ladders represented virtues such as generosity, faith, humility, etc., and the snakes represented vices such as lust, anger, murder, theft, etc. The moral of the game was that a person can attain salvation (Moksha) through performing good deeds whereas by doing evil one takes rebirth in lower forms of life (Patamu). The number of ladders was less than the number of snakes as a reminder that treading the path of good is very difficult compared to committing sins. Presumably the number &#8220;100&#8243; represented Moksha (Salvation). In Andhra Pradesh, snakes and ladders is played in the name of Vaikuntapali..</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Snakes-and-Ladders.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-10022    aligncenter" title="Snakes and Ladders" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Snakes-and-Ladders-267x300.jpg" alt="Snakes and Ladders" width="267" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><em>Image courtesy: <a href="http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/33491-large.jpg" target="_blank">V&amp;A</a><br />
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<p>This book by Harish Johari titled <a href="http://www.sanatansociety.com/hinduism_books/hb_leela_karma.htm" target="_blank">&#8220;<strong>The Yoga of Snakes and Arrows</strong>&#8220;</a> tell us more about the moral and spiritual aspects of the &#8220;game&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Four things are necessary for one or more to play Leela: the Leela book and game board, a die (of karma) and a significant object that belongs to the player, such as a ring, to serve as the player&#8217;s symbol during the game. <strong>Each of the seventy-two squares on the board of Leela represents a virtue or vice, an aspect of human consciousness or a plane of being. The players&#8217; progress is dictated by the fall of a die corresponding to the forces of karma</strong>. The seven planes through which the player must pass before he reaches the eighth plane &#8211; the plane beyond all planes &#8211; are the seven chakras. <strong>Leela is not merely an entertainment but a serious method of understanding the phenomenal world of Maya  (Illusion), and the spiritual nature of our individual self that leads us to the journey towards liberation</strong>.</p>
<p>The saints who invented this game used the game-board to recognize the present state of their own being. By playing the game time and again they consciously observed which snake brought them down and which arrows took them up. Observing their own inner self, they could tell whether they had understood what it is to be not involved. <strong>The uniqueness of Leela &#8211; the game of self-knowledge &#8211; is that it is a study of scriptures and discovery of the self at the same time.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.gamesmuseum.uwaterloo.ca/VirtualExhibits/Whitehill/snakes/index.html" target="_blank">This website informs</a> us that:</p>
<blockquote><p>The origins of this game appear to be found in 2nd  century BC documents from India. Some historians point out that the game  may be a variation of the ancient game of <em><strong>dasapada</strong></em> played on a 10&#215;10 grid</p></blockquote>
<p>In <a href="http://www.hindu-blog.com/2006/11/snake-and-ladders-had-its-origin-in.html" target="_blank">his brief blog post about the &#8220;game&#8221;, <strong>Abhilash</strong> mentions</a> some of the original squares and what they stood for:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The ladders represented virtues  and snakes vices</strong>. In the original game square 12 was faith, 51 was  Reliability, 57 was Generosity, 76 was Knowledge, and 78 was Asceticism.  These were the squares were the ladder was found.</p>
<p>Square 41 was  for Disobedience, 44 for Arrogance, 49 for Vulgarity, 52 for Theft, 58  for Lying, 62 for Drunkenness, 69 for Debt, 84 for Anger, 92 for Greed,  95 for Pride, 73 for Murder and 99 for Lust. These were the squares were  the snake was found.</p>
<p>The Square 100 represented Nirvana or Moksha.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thats it for now&#8230;Have a relaxing weekend&#8230;and <strong>please share the story with the young ones in your family.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://jstor.org/stable/3619261" target="_blank"></a></p>
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		<title>&#8220;We started this, really, for our kids&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 05:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stumbled on this yesterday in the NY Times (emphasis added):
“We started this, really, for our kids,” said Dr. Shukla, a urologist and a second-generation Indian-American. “When our kids go to school and say they are Hindu, nobody says, ‘Oh, yeah, Hindus gave the world yoga.’ They say, ‘What caste are you?’ Or ‘Do you pray to a monkey god?’ Because that’s all Americans know about Hinduism.”
The &#8220;Dr Shukla&#8221; mentioned in the article is Dr Aseem Shukla and what he is talking about is the &#8220;take Yoga Back movement..Below, some excerpts ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled on this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/nyregion/28yoga.html?_r=1&amp;pagewanted=all" target="_blank">yesterday in the NY Times</a> (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>“<strong>We started this, really, for our kids</strong>,” said Dr. Shukla, a urologist and a second-generation Indian-American. “<strong>When our kids go to school and say they are Hindu, nobody says, ‘Oh, yeah, Hindus gave the world yoga.’ They say, ‘What caste are you?’ Or ‘Do you pray to a monkey god?’ Because that’s all Americans know about Hinduism.”</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;Dr Shukla&#8221; mentioned in the article is <strong>Dr Aseem Shukla</strong> and what he is talking about is the &#8220;take Yoga Back movement..Below, some excerpts from <strong>his recent article</strong> on &#8220;<strong><a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/nearly_twenty_million_people_in.html" target="_blank">The theft of Yoga</a></strong>&#8221; (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>Nearly 20 million people in the United States gather together routinely, fold their hands and utter the Hindu greeting of Namaste &#8212; the Divine in me bows to the same Divine in you. Then they close their eyes and focus their minds with chants of &#8220;Om,&#8221; the Hindu representation of the first and eternal vibration of creation. Arrayed in linear patterns, they stretch, bend, contort and control their respirations as a mentor calls out names of Hindu divinity linked to various postures: Natarajaasana (Lord Shiva) or Hanumanasana (Lord Hanuman) among many others. They chant their assigned &#8220;mantra of the month,&#8221; taken as they are from lines directly from the Vedas, Hinduism&#8217;s holiest scripture. Welcome to the practice of yoga in today&#8217;s western world.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>..The Yoga Journal found that the industry generates more than $6 billion each year and continues on an incredible trajectory of popularity. <strong>It would seem that yoga&#8217;s mother tradition, Hinduism, would be shining in the brilliant glow of dedicated disciples seeking more from the very font of their passion.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Yet the reality is very different</strong>. Hinduism in common parlance is identified more with holy cows than Gomukhasana, the notoriously arduous twisting posture; with millions of warring gods rather than the unity of divinity of Hindu tradition&#8211;that God may manifest and be worshiped in infinite ways; as a tradition of colorful and harrowing wandering ascetics more than the spiritual inspiration of Patanjali, the second century BCE commentator and composer of the Yoga Sutras, that form the philosophical basis of Yoga practice today.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dr-Aseem-Shukla.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-9987  aligncenter" title="Dr Aseem Shukla" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Dr-Aseem-Shukla.jpg" alt="Dr Aseem Shukla" width="159" height="196" /></a></p>
<p><em>Dr Aseem Shukla&#8217;s photograph, courtesy: University of Minnesota</em></p>
<p><strong>Why is yoga severed in America&#8217;s collective consciousness from Hinduism? </strong>Yoga, meditation, ayurvedic natural healing, self-realization&#8211;they are today&#8217;s syntax for New Age, Eastern, mystical, even Buddhist, but nary an appreciation of their Hindu origins. It is not surprising, then, that Hindu schoolchildren complain that Hinduism is conflated only with caste, cows, exoticism and polytheism&#8211;the salutary contributions and philosophical underpinnings lost and ignored.</p>
<p><strong>&#8230;The Los Angeles Times last week chronicled this steady disembodying of yoga from Hinduism.</strong> &#8220;Christ is my guru. Yoga is a spiritual discipline much like prayer, meditation and fasting [and] no one religion can claim ownership,&#8221; says a vocal proponent of &#8220;Christian themed&#8221; yoga practices. Some Jews practice Torah yoga, Kabbalah yoga and aleph bet yoga, and even some Muslims are joining the act. They are appropriating the collective wisdom of millenia of yogis without a whisper of acknowledgment of yoga&#8217;s spiritual roots.</p>
<p>Not surprisingly, the most popular yoga journals and magazines are also in the act. <strong>Once yoga was no longer intertwined with its Hindu roots, it became up for grabs and easy to sell.</strong> These journals abundantly refer to yoga as &#8220;ancient Indian,&#8221; &#8220;Eastern&#8221; or &#8220;Sanskritic,&#8221; but seem to assiduously avoid the term &#8220;Hindu&#8221; out of fear, we can only assume, that ascribing honestly the origins of their passion would spell disaster for what has become a lucrative commercial enterprise. The American Yoga Association, on its Web site, completes this delinking of yoga from Hinduism thusly:</p>
<p>&#8220;The common belief that Yoga derives from Hinduism is a misconception. Yoga actually predates Hinduism by many centuries&#8230;The techniques of Yoga have been adopted by Hinduism as well as by other world religions.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Hinduism, the religion that has no known origins or beginnings is now younger than yoga? What a ludicrous contention when the Yoga Sutras weren&#8217;t even composed until the 2nd Century BCE. These deniers seem to posit that Hinduism appropriated yoga so other religions may as well too!</p></blockquote>
<p>As some of you may remember, <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/03/31/what-next-after-christian-yoga/" target="_blank">I have written on this before</a>&#8230;(also read, <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/03/12/the-dreaded-h-word/" target="_blank">The dreaded &#8220;H-word&#8221;</a>)</p>
<p>For the more curious amongst you, here is what <a href="http://www.hafsite.org/media/pr/yoga-hindu-origins" target="_blank">Yoga is really about</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>“There is no physical yoga and spiritual yoga.  If it is exclusively physical, it won’t be yoga.  Yoga is dealing with the entirety; it is a union.”</strong> – Prashant Iyengar, son of B.K.S Iyengar</p>
<p>Yoga, from the word “yuj” (Sanskrit, “to yoke” or “to unite”), refers to spiritual practices that are essential to the understanding and practice of Hinduism.  Yoga and yogic practices date back more than 5,000 years — the Indus Valley seals depict figures in yoga poses.</p>
<p>&#8230;With the popularity of Yoga skyrocketing throughout the world, particularly in the West, there arise two main points in need of clarification.  First, that which is practiced as “Hatha Yoga” &#8211; a form of Raja Yoga &#8211; in much of the Western world is but merely a focus on a single limb of Yoga: asana (posture). ..this “asana heavy” form of Yoga – sometimes complimented with pranayama (breathing) – is only a form of exercise to control, tone and stretch muscles.  Ignored are both the moral basis of the practice and the ultimate spiritual goal.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Bonus</strong> Links: Sandeep&#8217;s excellent post on <a href="http://www.sandeepweb.com/2010/06/03/the-hindu-roots-of-yoga/" target="_blank">&#8220;The Hindu Roots of Yoga</a>&#8220;<a href="http://www.sandeepweb.com/2010/06/03/the-hindu-roots-of-yoga/" target="_blank"> </a>and Rajeev Malhotra on &#8220;<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/hindu-view-of-christian-yoga_b_778501.html" target="_blank">A Hindu View of Christian Yoga&#8221; </a></p>
<p><em>P.S. Please note that I am travelling for the next few days so there may be some delay in moderating and responding to comments. Thank you for your patience and support, as always. </em></p>
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		<title>Reading the MahABhArat: DharmaRAj and Yaksha Prashna</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many amongst you would remember the story of DharmaRaj and the &#8220;Yaksha Prashna&#8221; (Questions of the &#8220;Yaksha*&#8221;). I stumbled on these questions a few weeks ago on a Dr Srinivasan&#8217;s website . Dr Srinivasan has used the &#8220;Yaksha Prashna&#8221; as an anchor to write a primer aimed at inculcating moral and ethical values amongst the young and the children. I had almost forgotten this story until I re-read it a few weeks ago. It is a story worth telling. Some excerpts from &#8220;Yaksha Prashna&#8221; by Dr A Srinivasan
This episode is ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Many amongst you would remember the <strong>story of DharmaRaj and the &#8220;Yaksha Prashna&#8221;</strong> (Questions of the &#8220;Yaksha*&#8221;). I stumbled on these questions a few weeks ago on a Dr Srinivasan&#8217;s website . Dr Srinivasan has used the &#8220;Yaksha Prashna&#8221; as an anchor to write a primer aimed at inculcating moral and ethical values amongst the young and the children. I had almost forgotten this story until I re-read it a few weeks ago. It is a story worth telling. Some excerpts from <strong>&#8220;<a href="http://www.avsrinivasan.com/hindu/yaksha.html" target="_blank">Yaksha Prashna</a>&#8221; by Dr A Srinivasan</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This episode is found in the Aranya Parva of the epic, the Mahabharata. The sons of Paandu (the Paandavaas) along with their wife Draupadi are nearing the end of their twelve-year exile in forests. They are due to begin the thirteenth and final year, which they are required to spend undiscovered.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">In ancient days, it was the practice of certain brahmins to do homaas and havanaas as a part of their daily rituals and worship. One of the most essential tools needed in this practice is, of course, the device that can generate fire. This consists of two wooden pieces, a rod and a bow, the latter producing a churning action of the rod supported on a firm base of stone or wood. The churning action results in friction and heat at the support and any fibrous material at the base of the support catches fire, ready for use in a ritual.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><em>Continued  below&#8230;</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Yudhisthir-Yaksha.jpg"><img class="aligncenter" title="Yudhisthir Yaksha" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Yudhisthir-Yaksha-219x300.jpg" alt="Yudhisthir Yaksha" width="219" height="300" /></a><br />
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<p><em>Image Courtesy: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaksha_Prashna" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a> (</em><em>A stone carving of Yudhisthir at Vishnu Temple, Deogar)</em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaksha_Prashna" target="_blank"><em> </em></a>
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<p style="text-align: left;">One day one such brahmin, an agnihotri, came rushing to the Pandavas and begged for help. He had, it seems, hung the fire- drilling sticks in a tree. A passing stag happened to stop and rub his body on the trunk of this tree and, in the process, the sticks got entangled in the articulated horns of the animal. The stag fled, struggling in vain to rid himself of this unwanted burden; and the more he shook his head, the more firmly did the fire-sticks get wedged in his antlers. The poor brahmin now wanted the Pandavas to pursue the fleeing animal and recover the sticks.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The Pandavas believed that it was the duty of kshatriyas (3) to provide any and all help and protection to those who practiced their dharma. Therefore they proceeded forthwith fully armed in pursuit of the stag. While they soon caught sight of the stag, their attempts to stop the animal failed and more running and more huffing and puffing ended in the tiring of the party.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Not only had the quest failed, they ended up hungry, thirsty, tired, angry and frustrated. The brothers sat down finally to rest under the cool shade of a large tree&#8230;(Being thirsty and tired) Yudhishthira instructed Nakula to climb a tree nearby to locate any sources of water in the vicinity so that they could quench their thirst. Nakula did so and informed Yudhishthira that there was indeed a cluster of trees not too far off and that he could hear the cries of water cranes.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Yudhishthira suggested that Nakula go to the pond and fetch some water in a quiver. Nakula, after walking a short distance, located a beautiful spot, a crystal clear lake, surrounded by trees, flowers and birds. Nakula was overjoyed. His first instinct was to enjoy a cool drink himself, as long as he was already there. So he descended to the water&#8217;s edge and prepared to scoop up some refreshing water. As he was about to do so, he heard a strong and clear voice of warning:</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: left;"><p><em>&#8220;Maa taata saahasam karsheermama poorva parigrahah prashnaanuktva tu madreya pibasva ca harasva ca&#8221;</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Do not dare to touch that water, my dear child. You must first answer my questions. . .&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">Nakula thought that he must be hearing things due to sheer fatigue and so he ignored the warning, drank the water and immediately fell dead.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">When Nakula did not return within a reasonable time, Yudhishthira suggested that Sahadeva go and take a look at what was delaying him. Sahadeva arrived on the scene and was shocked to see Nakula lying as though asleep&#8230;(as he proceeded to get some water) He heard the same warning, ignored it and, upon attempting to drink, also fell dead.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Now it was Arjuna&#8217;s turn to determine what had happened. He proceeded with his Gandiva bow in his hand, suspecting some trouble. Upon arriving at the lake he was stunned to see his brothers lying as though dead&#8230;(Arjun) heard the same warning&#8230;but (instead of ignoring it), he challenged the being to show itself and shot several arrows in the direction from which the voice came. He only received further and more stern warning.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Arjuna challenged the voice by saying, &#8220;Stop me if you can,&#8221; proceeded to drink the water and fell down dead. Some short time later, Bhima arrived and had the same fate.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Now Yudhishthira was clearly worried. Wondering about the possibilities of harm befalling his dear and powerful brothers, he decided to go in search of them. When he arrived at the lake, he could not believe the dreadful sight before him. All four brothers dead on the ground! Yudhishthira sat beside them and lamented. All his hopes were shattered now. How would he ever be able to recover his lost kingdom without the help of his able, powerful brothers? He grieved for a while and then began to look around to determine the reason for these deaths. He said to himself,</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: left;"><p><em>&#8220;Naishaam shastra praharosti paadam nehasti kasyacit bhutam mahadidam manye bhrataro yena me hatah&#8221;</em></p>
<p>There are no signs of violence on their bodies, no footprints anywhere.  The killer must be a supernatural being.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">He wondered if Duryodhana had had the pool poisoned. He ruled it out because the faces of the dead brothers looked calm and serene. Convincing himself that it must have been some supernatural being, he approached the water&#8217;s edge to fetch some water to begin the last rites for his brothers.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Then he heard a sudden voice:</p>
<blockquote style="text-align: left;"><p><em>&#8220;Tavaanujah mayaa preta vasham nita. .Na chet prashnaan prcchato vyakaroshi tvam pancamo bhavita. . .&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>I am the cause of your brothers&#8217; death, You shall be the fifth victim if you do not answer my questions. . .<br />
</em></p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;">Yudhishthira asked, &#8220;Who are you? Are you a rudra, vasu, or marut (5)? You must be strong to be able to put to death these powerful brothers of mine. Your feat is remarkable because neither gods, antigods, gandharvaas nor rakshasaas (6) could stand up to my brothers. But why? What do you want? Noble one! Why are you here? Who are you?&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The voice replied: &#8220;I am a Yaksha (7), Yudhishthira. May you prosper.&#8221;</p>
<p>As he heard these words, Yudhishthira saw before his eyes a form developing; a massive tall body with grotesque eyes, burning like the fire of the sun, and a voice like thunder: <em>&#8220;I warned your brothers. But they would not listen to me. So now they are dead. This pool belongs to me and unless you answer my questions you shall not even touch this water.&#8221; </em>Yudhishthira replied:</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">&#8220;Na caham karnaye yaksha tava poorva parigraham, Yathaa prajnam tu te prashnaan prati vakshyami prccha maam</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I have no desire to take what is yours, Ask me and I will answer as best as I can</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Thus begins Dharmaraja&#8217;s attempt to answer the Yaksha&#8217;s questions.</strong> I have never read anything so beautiful, so subtle, so deep with layers of significance as these questions and answers. Through Yudhishthira, Bhagawan Vyaasa has distilled the entire philosophy of the Hindus into an enquiry comprising some one hundred questions. The questions cover a lot of ground and a wide range, jumping from one topic to another. ..These questions and their answers are as important, as relevant and as significant today as they were when Yudhishthira stood with palms folded, by the side of his dead brothers, and attempted to do his best in meeting the Yaksha&#8217;s challenge.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">These answers have guided the lives of Hindus for a thousand and more years. Let us study them. Let each of us become a Yudhishthira and face the questions exercising the best in us. <strong>Let these questions and the answers to these questions be the torchlight that lead us from darkness, give us peace and comfort at times of stress. Let these questions and answers be talked about, meditated and debated until each of us has had our fill, has satisfied our thirst for this ancient, eternal philosophy of the Hindus&#8230;</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Below <strong>a small sample of the questions</strong> posed by the Yaksha&#8230;</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">What is weightier than earth?     Mother<br />
What is taller than the sky?     Father<br />
What is faster than the wind?     Mind<br />
What is more numerous than grass?     Thoughts
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<p style="text-align: left;">&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">What treasure is the best?     Skill<br />
What wealth is the best?     Education<br />
What is the greatest gain?     Health<br />
And the greatest happiness?     Contentment</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: left;"><a href="http://www.periplusbooks.com/india_texts/yaksha/yp10.html" target="_blank">Read all of them here. </a></p>
<p><strong>Related</strong> Posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/09/12/gita-misrepresentations/" target="_blank">Of Niti, Nyaya, Bhagavad-Gita and Misrepresentations</a></p>
<p><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/01/04/bhagavad-gita/" target="_blank">Reading the Bhagavad Gita…</a></p>
<p><em>* &#8220;Yaksha&#8221; can loosely be translated as a benign spirit, demi-god or &#8220;Deva-swarup&#8221; who frequently appears in Hinduism&#8217;s sacred stories as a protector of natural treasures and wealth</em>.</p>
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