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		<description><![CDATA[This post has been some time in coming &#8211; and I am penning my thoughts on something controversial after a long time. It was prompted by the recent decision of government of MP to increase the punishment for cow slaughter. As many of you would know, the issue of cow-slaughter is not a new one.  In fact, the demand for a ban on slaughter of cows is more than a century old – and was first raised in modern times by Swami Dayanand Saraswati and the Arya Samaj. It has ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has been some time in coming &#8211; and I am penning my thoughts on <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/07/21/ram-janmabhoomi-2/">something controversial after a long time</a>. It was prompted by the recent decision of government of MP to increase the punishment for cow slaughter. As many of you would know, <strong>the issue of cow-slaughter is not a new one</strong>.  In fact, the demand for a ban on slaughter of cows is more than a century old – and was first raised in modern times by Swami Dayanand Saraswati and the Arya Samaj. It has been suggested that the British inadvertently strengthened the &#8220;Cow Protection Movement&#8221; by decreeing that the cow is not a sacred animal and can be slaughtered. I have my doubts about this &#8220;theory&#8221; but here is the reference:</p>
<blockquote><p>In 1888, a high court in Allahabad ruled that cows are not “sacred” animals as defined in section 295 of the Indian Penal Code and Muslims could not be held accountable for slaughtering them. (1).</p></blockquote>
<p>There are accounts from colonial times of Muslims slaughtering cows during Bakr-Id festival although there is no religious decree to support cow slaughter (<em>In fact, the Supreme Court in Mohammad Hanif Qureshi Vs. State of Bihar in 1958 had held that the Muslims had no religious right to kill cows on Bakr-Id)</em>.  Although some argue that the cow was merely used as a symbol for mobilizing Hindu opinion by Arya Samaj and other leaders of the movement, the fact that it spread rapidly over large parts of India in a day and age where communication and travel was very difficult is indicative of the underlying strength of emotions towards this animal.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>In the 1870s, cow protection movements spread rapidly in the Punjab, the North-West provinces, Awadh and Rohilkhand</strong>. Arya Samaj had a tremendous role in skillfully converting this sentiment into a national movement. <strong>The first Gaurakshini sabha (cow protection society) was established in the Punjab in 1882</strong>.(2) The movement spread rapidly all over North India and to Bengal,Bombay, Madras and other central provinces.</p></blockquote>
<p>It has been mentioned that</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Signatures, up to 350,000 in some places, were collected to demand a ban on cow sacrifice</strong>.(3)</p></blockquote>
<p>The strong sentiment around cow-slaughter – and Mahatma Gandhi&#8217;s strong views on the matter &#8211; led to its inclusion in Constitution under Article 48 (Part IV; Directive Principles of State Policy) which states that: (the) <em>State shall preserve and improve the breeds and prohibit the slaughter of cows, calves and other cows and drought cattle. </em></p>
<p><em> </em>It has also been mentioned that when this issue was being debated in Parliament, many wanted a total ban on cow slaughter but this was opposed by Nehru and thus a compromise was reached by including it in terms of Directive Principles. I <a href="http://dahd.nic.in/ch1/chap1.htm#item21" target="_blank">do not have sufficient references</a> (also see #164) to back this up but hope to find links to debate/discussion in Constituent Assembly on this matter. However, it appears that during the debate in the Constituent Assembly at least some Muslim Members (Mr. Z.H. Lari and Syed Mohammad Saidulla?) were willing for cow slaughter prohibition to be kept as a Fundamental Right.  Regardless of the deliberations in Constituent Assembly &#8211; and since then &#8211; <strong>the cow continues to be an object of great reverence and is widely considered sacred – cutting across castes and regions in India</strong>.  <strong>Laws banning slaughter of cow and its progeny have been promulgated in almost all states in India</strong> except Paschim Banga, Kerala, Nagaland and Meghalaya (the latter two have a predominant Christian population). The ban on cow slaughter was in news last year too when the government of Karnataka passed a law that prohibiting the slaughter of buffaloes along with cow and its progeny (a law protecting the cow was already in force in Karnataka since earlier).  And as noted above, this has been in news once again prompted by a move by the government in MP to seek punishment of up to 7 years for slaughter of cow (<em>note <a href="http://www.spreadlaw.in/blogsmore.php?id=115 " target="_blank">the punishment is not for consumption of beef but for slaughter of cow</a></em>).</p>
<p><strong>The  cow and bullock have a venerated place in the ancient traditions of Bharat</strong>. The cow  is referred to by various names in the Vedas including <em>Aditi, KamaDhenu and Aghnya (that which cannot be killed). </em>Other than its milk and by-products, a cow has numerous &#8220;economic&#8221; uses. Cow dung is known to act as an anti-septic and reportedly acts as an air purifier when burnt. It also acts as a coolant when mixed with mud and applied to walls of dwellings. There is also some evidence to suggest that the chemical composition of cow-urine may have medicinal properties (and may play <a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cow-urine-drug-developed-by-rss-body-gets-us/635054/">a part in cancer therapy</a>).</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">One of the many names of Bhagwaan ShriKrishna&#8217;s is &#8220;Gopal&#8221; (Protector of Cows).  Muhammad Ghori was apparently pardoned by Prithviraj Chauhan when he asked to be treated like a &#8220;cow&#8221; (unfortunately I don&#8217;t have full &amp; reliable references). There are records to suggest that Akbar issued <em>firmans </em>prohibiting cow-slaughter to respect the sentiments of the large Hindu population during his reign. This &#8220;ban&#8221; continued during the reign Jehangir and ShahJahan. The cow may also have been one of the triggers for the uprising against the British in 1857.</p>
<p><strong>Before we proceed any further, it would be instructive to read the <a href="http://indiankanoon.org/doc/93885/" target="_blank">judgement of the Supreme Court in the landmark case on this matter</a>, </strong>Mohd. Hanif Quareshi &amp; Others vs The State Of Bihar(&amp; Others), April, 1958 (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>So approaching and analysing the problem, <strong>we have reached the conclusion (i) that a total ban on the slaughter of cows of all ages and calves of cows and calves of she-buffaloes, male and female, is quite reasonable and valid and is in consonance with the directive principles</strong> laid down in Art. 48, (ii) that <strong>a total ban on the slaughter of she-buffaloes or breeding bulls or working bullocks (cattle as well as buffaloes) as long as they are as milch or draught cattle is also reasonable and valid</strong> and (iii) that a total ban on the slaughter of she- buffaloes, bulls and bullocks (cattle or buffalo) after they cease to be capable of yielding milk or of breeding or working as draught animals cannot be supported as reasonable in the interest of the general public.</p></blockquote>
<p>Note that while the Directive Principles are unenforceable by themselves but constitutionality of laws is usually examined in the light of directive principles.  Even stronger than the 1958 ruling, is this <a href="http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1776341/" target="_blank">conclusion from a (relatively) recent judgement by the Supreme Court (from 2005</a>) in the case of State Of Gujarat vs Mirzapur Moti Kureshi Kassab (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>In the case before us, <strong>we have material in abundance justifying the need to alter the flow of judicial opinion</strong>.…Independent India, having got rid of the shackles of foreign rule, was not even 11 years old then. Since then, the Indian economy has made much headway and gained a foothold internationally. Constitutional jurisprudence has indeed changed from what it was in 1958, as pointed out earlier. Our socio-economic scenario has progressed from being gloomy to a shining one, full of hopes and expectations and determinations for present and future. Our economy is steadily moving towards prosperity in a planned way through five year plans, nine of which have been accomplished and tenth is under way. We deal with the findings in Quareshi-I seriatim.</p>
<p>Finding 1 :…So far as the State of Gujarat is concerned, we have already noticed, while dealing with the documentary evidence available on record, that fodder shortage is not a problem so far as this state is concerned and <strong>cow progeny</strong>, the slaughtering whereof has already shown a downward trend during the recent years, <strong>can very well be fed and maintained without causing any wasteful drain on the feed</strong> requisite for active milch, breeding and draught cattle.…<strong>the documentary evidence available on record shows that beef contributes only 1.3% of the total meat consumption pattern of the Indian society</strong>. Butchers are not prohibited from slaughtering animals other than the cattle belonging to cow progeny. Consequently, only a part of their activity has been prohibited. They can continue with their activity of slaughtering other animals. <strong>Even if it results in slight inconvenience, it is liable to be ignored if the prohibition is found to be in the interest of economy and social needs of the country</strong></p>
<p>Finding 3 : <strong>47 years since, it is futile to think that meat originating from cow progeny can be the only staple food or protein diet for the poor population of the country</strong>. &#8216;…The real problem, facing India, is not the availability of food, staple food and protein rich diet; the real problem is its unequal distribution. The real challenge comes from the slow growth of purchasing power of the people and lack of adequate employment opportunities. ….It will, therefore, <strong>not be correct to say that poor will suffer in availing staple food and nutritional diet only because slaughter of cow progeny was prohibited</strong>.</p>
<p>Finding 4 :…<strong>For multiple reasons</strong> which we have stated in very many details while dealing with Question-6 in Part II of the judgment, <strong>we have found that bulls and bullocks do not become useless merely by crossing a particular age</strong>. The Statement of Objects and Reasons, apart from other evidence available, clearly conveys that cow and her progeny constitute the backbone of Indian agriculture and economy. …This Statement of Objects and Reasons tilts the balance in favour of the constitutional validity of the impugned enactment. …</p>
<p><strong>In the light of the material available in abundance before us, there is no escape from the conclusion that the protection conferred by impugned enactment on cow progeny is needed in the interest of Nation&#8217;s economy. Merely because it may cause &#8216;inconvenience&#8217; or some &#8216;dislocation&#8217; to the butchers, restriction imposed by the impugned enactment does not cease to be in the interest of the general public</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>The former must yield to the latter</strong>.…The Bombay Animal Preservation (Gujarat Amendment) Act, 1994 (Gujarat Act No. 4 of 1994) is held to be intra vires the Constitution.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Let us now look at the “rational” or “liberal” argument against a ban on cow slaughter</strong>:</p>
<p><strong>1] That Hindus ate beef in the past – as mentioned in the Vedas</strong>. The first point against this argument is the fact that there are contradictory statements within the Vedas regarding “beef eating”. Very likely, these are the result of incorrect and improper translation (e.g. <a href="http://agniveer.com/68/no-beef-in-vedas/" target="_blank">see this post on Agniveer.com</a>) and therefore cannot be relied on as being authoritative. But even if one was to assume so &#8211; for the sake of argument &#8211; this is a bad argument because not all past practices are carried over to current times (neither should they be; e.g. past practice of not dining or marrying outside the &#8220;jati&#8221;). The second (important) point to note (and ask) re. the Vedic references is: <em>are these references really laudatory &#8211; and praiseworthy &#8211; or are &#8220;beef-eaters&#8221; looked down upon?</em> Furthermore, most (all?) references are to the meat of the bull – not cow; and even of there were references to cow, they refer to a sterile cow; <a href="http://agniveer.com/3942/no-beef-in-vedas-part2/" target="_blank">also see part II of the post on Agniveer</a>)</p>
<p><strong>2] The second &#8220;liberal&#8221; argument against a ban on cow slaughter is that the state shall not dictate what I can and cannot eat</strong>; that the only reason the state can impose its views on such matters is if you harm others in this process, or if doing so will harm the environment. A good illustration of this argument is in <a href="http://sabhlokcity.com/2010/08/baba-ramdevs-irrational-demand-to-prohibit-cow-slaughter/?wpmp_tp=0" target="_blank">this post by Sanjeev Sabhlok</a> (also FTI colleague):</p>
<blockquote><p>If eating beef is not lethal and it doesn&#8217;t kill others, then there is no cause to interfere in the freedoms of others to eat beef.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now substitute “eating beef” with “taking drugs” or “having multiple wives” – and you will begin to see why this argument looks somewhat shaky. <strong>Freedom cannot be absolute – and is usually circumscribed by prevailing social norms and expectations. If such expectations overwhelmingly treat the cow as an object of reverence &#8211; or if there is general social revulsion towards slaughter of a particular animal &#8211; perhaps there is case to be made for a law banning slaughter of cows</strong><strong>?</strong></p>
<p>It is obvious that cow-slaughter arouses strong emotions in people. Bear in mind that people elect a government (in a democracy) to make/propose laws and take decisions that represent the collective will of the society (in addition to maintaining their safety and security). In a democracy, laws will usually be a manifestation of how the society wishes to govern itself (including in the form of a Constitution) &#8211; and are usually based on traditions and norms. <strong>If the society and the community wishes that the slaughter of cow ought to be prohibited in a land where it has been worshiped and held sacred for millennia, is that not a good reason for having such a law? </strong>Unless public opinion change to such a degree where such a ban becomes irrelevant?</p>
<p>I am tempted to point out that another argument (which is sometimes) used in this discussion &#8211; along the lines of <em>&#8220;let society decide on its own to not eat beef, if it so wishes, but governments should have no role to play in this</em>&#8221; &#8211; would mean government should have no role in banning untouchability or demands for dowry, right?</p>
<p>Please note that a nuanced argument can be made supporting a ban on cow-slaughter while maintaining neutrality with regards beef consumption (this would mean &#8211; for instance &#8211; that restaurants are free to import beef and serve it to their customers).  Anyway, enough food for thoughts for now, I guess. I will stop at this point &#8211; with the caveat that <strong>my thoughts on this matter are still evolving</strong>. Therefore, happy to be challenged, contradicted and of course supported!  Comments and thoughts, welcome as always</p>
<p><strong>P.S.</strong> While I am broadly supportive of the government&#8217;s bill in MP, I worry seriously about the apparent &#8220;presumption&#8221; of guilt and putting the onus on the accused to prove his or her innocence (these are also the reasons &#8211; among others &#8211; on why I worry <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/05/26/communal-violence/">about the Communal Violence Bill</a> and <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/08/01/angry-with-iac/">an all-powerful &#8220;Jan Lokpal&#8221;</a>).</p>
<p><strong>References/ Supporting Documents </strong>(the three below, courtesy Wikipedia; have not been independently verified):</p>
<ol>
<li>&#8220;Religious Nationalism, Hindus and Muslims in India&#8221;, Peter van der Veer, pp. 83 and 86, 91 and 92 ISBN 0520082567</li>
<li>&#8220;The Making of an Indian Metropolis, Colonial governance and public culture in Bombay&#8221;, 1890/1920, Prashant Kidambi, p. 176, ISBN 9780754656128</li>
<li>&#8220;Vishnu&#8217;s crowded temple, India since the great rebellion&#8221;, pp. 67-69, Maria Misra, 2008, Yale University Press, ISBN 9780300137217</li>
</ol>
<p>Here is a <a href="http://dahd.nic.in/ch1/chap1.htm#item1  " target="_blank">richly linked and referenced web-page</a> on the history and background to this question and the matter of cow slaughter</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://konenakshatra.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/does-beef-eating-harm-the-hindu-cause/" target="_blank">an unusual case for eating beef – from a Hindu perspective</a> and a <a href="www.samarthbharat.com/holycow.htm" target="_blank">case for cow slaughter &#8211; from an economic perspective</a> (this also has an excerpt that suggests Swami Vivekananda reportedly favoured beef-consumption).</p>
<p><strong>Surprising Find of the Day</strong>: the following <a href="http://dahd.nic.in/ch1/chap1.htm#item21 " target="_blank">quote attributed to <strong>Mahatma Gandhi</strong></a> (December 1927):</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>As for me, not even to win Swaraj, will I renounce my principle of cow protection.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Related</strong> Posts: <a title="Permalink" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/07/30/if-muslims-revered-cattle/">If Muslims revered cattle – excerpt</a> and  <strong><a title="Permanent Link to Of �Sacred Bulls�, Divinity &amp;�Development" rel="bookmark" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/05/18/sacred-bulls-divinity-and-development/">Of &#8220;Sacred Bulls&#8221;, Divinity &amp; Development</a> </strong></p>
<p><strong></strong>Also see: <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/07/16/this-is-funny/">This is funny..</a> and the <a href="http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2008-04-27/india/27769284_1_cow-slaughter-act-islamic-seminary-darul-uloom-fatwa" target="_blank">Deoband fatwa on &#8220;beef-eating</a>&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>P.P.S.</strong> I was not aware that <a href="http://kb.rspca.org.au/Is-eating-cats-or-dogs-legal_489.html" target="_blank">certain types of meat consumption is banned in Australia</a> (so I guess Hindus are the not the only ones who are irrational!):</p>
<blockquote><p>RSPCA Australia believes the consumption of cat and dog meat should be expressly prohibited in statute. Cats and dogs hold a specific place in Australian society as companion animals. <strong>Eating cats and dogs is therefore offensive to mainstream Australian cultural values</strong>. <strong>RSPCA Australia believes that state governments should follow the lead of South Australia and create specific offences for eating cats and dogs..</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Additional (suggested) Readings: <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/09/17/vegetarianism-environment/">Eating less meat may help save the planet</a> and <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/03/25/red-meat-bad-for-you/">Eating red meat may be really bad for you..</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear All: This post was triggered by RealityCheck&#8217;s response to Praveen Swami&#8217;s remarks on the MahaKumbh. In discussions of Haj subsidy, many of you must have heard arguments along the lines of &#8220;..but the government subsidises Kumbh Mela too&#8220;. Although demonstrably false, this argument continues to be rehashed &#8211; sometimes even by well-known columnists. The latest to join this group is Praveen Swami. Below, excerpts from a brilliantly written counter-piece by RealityCheck on the specious logic of Praveen Swami:
Praveen Swami after a flying recap of the Salman Rushdie affair, lands ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All: This post was triggered by RealityCheck&#8217;s response to Praveen Swami&#8217;s remarks on the MahaKumbh. In discussions of Haj subsidy, many of you must have heard arguments along the lines of &#8220;<em>..but the government subsidises Kumbh Mela too</em>&#8220;. Although demonstrably false, this argument continues to be rehashed &#8211; sometimes even by well-known columnists. The latest to join this group is Praveen Swami. Below, <strong>excerpts</strong> from a brilliantly written <strong><a href="http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/on-praveen-swamis-repugnant-piece-on-maha-kumbh/" target="_blank">counter-piece by RealityCheck on the specious logic of Praveen Swami</a>:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Praveen Swami after a flying recap of the Salman Rushdie affair, lands upon this: &#8220;<em><strong>Few Indians understand the extent to which the state underwrites the practice of their faith</strong>. The case of the Maha Kumbh Mela, held every 12 years at Haridwar, Allahabad, Ujjain and Nashik, is a case in point. <strong>The 2001 Mela in Allahabad, activist John Dayal has noted in a stinging essay, involved state spending of over Rs.1.2 billion</strong> — 12,000 taps that supplied 50.4 million litres of drinking water; 450 kilometres of electric lines and 15,000 streetlights; 70,000 toilets; 7,100 sanitation workers, 11 post offices and 3,000 phone lines; 4,000 buses and trains. Source: The Hindu&#8221;</em></p>
<p>&#8230;Lets rewind to these numbers , Rs.1.2 billion for 12,000 taps, 50.4 million litres, 450 kilometres of lines and 15,000 streetlights; 70,000. Let me throw in toilets, fire services, ambulances.<em> </em></p>
<p><em> </em><strong>What he forgets to mention</strong>, very cleverly, is this: <strong>The Maha Kumbh is one of the largest human congregations on earth. Over 60 Million people participated in the event he is talking about in 2001. </strong>The crowds of the event could be seen from space. <strong>The state is merely providing  PUBLIC AMENITIES as its normal call of duty. The alternative would be to let millions including thousands of foreign tourists die in an outbreak of Cholera, riots, or leave behind a mountain of human waste.</strong></p>
<p>The most jarring part of his essay was this line, which prompted me to write this blog. <em>That isn’t counting the rent that ought to have been paid on the 15,000 hectares of land used for the festival</em> ..</p>
<p>Lets see this from a property rights angle. What he is saying is the Hindus who participate in the Kumbh Mela event, which predates all known formats of the Indian state, have no title over the venues. Which are sand banks, ghats, streets, and nearby spaces.  In such a school of thought, the participants have to pay a fee (a tax) to the state from the proceeds of which the state will “rent these ghats” and provide the aforementioned amenities.   From time immemorial, Hindus have treated these lands as their own, not in the sense of ownership rights but being able to continue ancient traditions such as the Maha Kumbh, Chitirai Festival, and countless others.  If you demand to see title papers (most Christian and Muslim properties DO have proper title papers) then Hindus will have no choice but to create them. <strong>Territory, and traditions CONSTITUTE the Indian State. They came with the box. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Obviously, this isnt the only weakness in this piece. The state has Hindu temples under its control, so his sudden puppy love for property rights is dead on arrival.</strong> Next, even from an economic viewpoint, the Maha Kumbh is a grand tourist spectacle with millions of people from all over the world arriving and staying for weeks.  The govt will stand to gain by spending on amenities and reaping benefits of orderly tourist activity compared to being burdened with the costs of chaos and disease if it were to listen to Praveen Swami.</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Maha-Kumbh.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-13435" title="Maha Kumbh" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Maha-Kumbh.jpg" alt="" width="267" height="241" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><span style="text-align: left;">Needless to add, </span><strong style="text-align: left;">the government does not subsidise travel to Kumbh</strong><span style="text-align: left;">. The amount it spends is on maintaining law and order and to ensure hygiene &amp; basic civic amenities to the tens of millions who congregate for the sacred festival.  A more appropriate comparison to this spending would be the amount the government spends on building and maintaining Haj Houses in various parts of the country &#8211; not the Haj subsidy itself. After reading the piece, I decided to dig a little bit more to find the amounts spent on Haj Subsidy. This is what I found.</span></p>
<p><strong>Last year (2010), <a href="http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-06-17/chennai/29669335_1_haj-pilgrims-flight-tickets-and-accommodation-airline" target="_blank">the government paid Haj subsidy of Rs 770 crore</a> (i.e. Rs 7.7 billion)</strong>, in flight tickets and accommodation provided to pilgrims. <a href="http://www.financialexpress.com/printer/news/360651/  " target="_blank">In 2007, the Haj subsidy paid by the Indian government was 5.95 billion rupees</a> (From &#8220;Haj subsidy has Air India fuming&#8221; by Shauvik Ghosh, 2008-09-13).</p>
<blockquote><p>Last year (&#8217;07-&#8217;08), while 1,10,000 pilgrims availed the subsidy paying only Rs 12,000 each, the amount paid by the government to the carrier was Rs 47,454 per passenger. According to sources, the total cost for Haj operations last year (for 1,10,000 pilgrims) was Rs 727 crore of which the subsidy requirement was Rs 595 crore. <strong>This year (&#8217;08-&#8217;09), in order for the pilgrimage of 1,23,211 pilgrims, the total cost estimated by the government is Rs 847 crore, of which the subsidy requirement will be approximately Rs 700 crore</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder what does Praveen Swami has to say about this and on this which <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/07/29/psuedo-secularism-at-its-best/" target="_blank"><strong>shows how proceeds from ~ 250,000 temples in Karnataka have been distributed</strong> over the past few years</a>.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><strong>P.S. In case you are wondering about my stance on &#8220;religious subsidies&#8221;, it is clear and unambiguous: The government should *not* subsidise any religious/sacred pilgrimage for any denomination</strong></span>. Please do not confuse a subsidy with the amount that the government does need to spend on maintaining order and ensuring civic amenities at such sites or on such occasions (thus having extra immigration counters for departing/arriving Haj pilgrims is a justified expense; as is providing drinking water and toilets for pilgrims at Kumbh)</p>
<p><strong>Related</strong> Posts: <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/11/27/of-subsidies-and-politics-of-secularism/" target="_blank">Of Subsidies and Politics of “Secularism”</a>,  <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2005/11/14/secularism-or-politics-of-appeasement/" target="_blank">Secularism or Politics of Appeasement?</a> and <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/02/17/subsidy-for-bali-trip/" target="_blank">I want a subsidy to visit Bali</a></p>
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		<title>&#8220;How ancient India upheld democracy, kept corruption at bay&#8221; &#8211; Excerpts</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/11/23/ancient-india-democracy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Dr Kalyanaraman-ji for alerting me to this article: &#8220;How ancient India upheld democracy, kept corruption at bay&#8220;, by Brij Khandelwal, published in DNA. Excerpts below (emphasis mine):
Aligarh Muslim University historian S Chandni Bi, who has specialised in epigraphy, the study of inscriptions, says around 1,000 years ago there was zero tolerance towards financial bungling. According to him, inscriptions in the southern state of Tamil Nadu clearly indicate how intolerant civil society was against corrupt practices and the violators of ethical framework.
Chandni told IANS in an interview: &#8220;A well-evolved ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Dr Kalyanaraman-ji for alerting me to this article: &#8220;<strong><a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report_how-ancient-india-upheld-democracy-kept-corruption-at-bay_1610437   " target="_blank">How ancient India upheld democracy, kept corruption at bay</a></strong>&#8220;, by Brij Khandelwal, published in DNA. Excerpts below (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>Aligarh Muslim University historian S Chandni Bi, who has specialised in epigraphy, the study of inscriptions, says <strong>around 1,000 years ago there was zero tolerance towards financial bungling</strong>. According to him, inscriptions in the southern state of Tamil Nadu clearly indicate how intolerant civil society was against corrupt practices and the violators of ethical framework.</p>
<p>Chandni told IANS in an interview: &#8220;<em>A well-evolved democratic system was functional, starting at the Saba level, between the eighth and the 16th century in South India, irrespective of the ruling dynasties: the Cheras, Cholas, Pallavas, Pandyas and Vijaynagar. </em><em>The members of a Saba were elected by the whole community of the village by a system peculiarly known as &#8216;Kuda Olai&#8217; system (Kudam-Pot and Olai-Palm leaf). The village was divided into wards called &#8216;Kudumbus&#8217;, and every ward had to write the eligible person&#8217;s names on the palm leaves. The bundle of palm leaves was emptied in a pot. The member was chosen by draw of lots</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>The most important point to note here was the issuance of strict guidelines by the rulers, inscriptions give fair indication of the clarity of thought and zero tolerance towards financial bungling.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/chandragupta_maurya_empire.gif"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3625" title="Chandragupta_Maurya_Empire" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/chandragupta_maurya_empire-300x252.gif" alt="" width="180" height="151" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">&#8230;<em style="text-align: -webkit-auto;">&#8220;The crimes committed by the members of the Saba are divided into three categories. The swindling of funds or public property and those who failed to submit their accounts have been considered as crime number two. Such members were not eligible to contest the Saba election for life long. Not only they but their relatives too could not contest elections, like children, in-laws, brothers and their children, grand -parents, grand- children, relations through wife etc, nearly for three generations. They were called as &#8216;Grama Dhurogis</em><span style="text-align: -webkit-auto;">&#8216;. </span></p>
<p><em><strong>&#8220;While murder of even Brahmins was considered pardonable, crimes like cheating or swindling public funds were unpardonable even by gods</strong>. Political crime was not pardonable but other crimes could be punished with penalties or performance of penance and charitable deeds, to become eligible for elections again.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>&#8230;<strong>To prevent political power getting concentrated in one family leading to dynastic tendencies, rules were framed</strong>. &#8220;<em>According to this rule, the present members of the Saba cannot contest the election for next 2 to 10 years. In the same way none of their relatives should have contested for the past five years if one wanted to contest for membership of Saba. There is also a sub-rule to provide equal opportunity for everybody stipulating induction of two new members without any previous experience as members of the Saba.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;They also actively practised the right to recall. &#8220;In those days if an elected member of the Saba committed a crime or violated law, he was immediately sacked. Such has been our rich and exemplary past. Let us bring it back instead of looking to the west for solutions</em>,&#8221; said Chandni who is teaching South Indian History in AMU.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Related</strong> Posts: <a rel="bookmark" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/01/17/corruption-mentioned-in-vedas/" target="_blank">“Corruption” – as mentioned in the Vedas</a>, <a rel="bookmark" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/11/12/greek-thoughts-indian-roots/" target="_blank">Greek Thoughts, Indian Roots?</a> and the utterly fascinating and extensively researched, &#8220;<strong><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/04/04/democracy-in-ancient-india/" target="_blank">Democracy in Ancient India…</a>&#8220;</strong></p>
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		<title>Dharma-Himsa Paramo Dharma..</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excerpts from an essay by Swami Chinmayananda on non-violence and righteous violence titled, DHARMA HIMSA TATHAIVA CA (emphasis added):

Personally, I am no advocate of violence. But violence, too, has its rightful place in life, life does not preclude death. The average Indian has been moulded into a particular national mentality of quixotic tolerance. His attitude is shaped into its distinct pattern by the ideologies and moralities preached in our national literature. And no single work in our classics has gained such a wide influence on our people as the Bhagawad ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpts from an essay by <strong>Swami Chinmayananda on non-violence and righteous violence</strong> titled, <a href="http://www.chinmaya.org.nz/Articles/Swami%20Chinmayananda/11.htm " target="_blank">DHARMA HIMSA TATHAIVA CA</a> (emphasis added):</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Swami-Chinmayananda.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-12335" title="Swami Chinmayananda" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Swami-Chinmayananda-213x300.jpg" alt="" width="128" height="180" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Personally, I am no advocate of violence. But violence, too, has its rightful place in life, life does not preclude death</strong>. The average Indian has been moulded into a particular national mentality of quixotic tolerance. His attitude is shaped into its distinct pattern by the ideologies and moralities preached in our national literature. And no single work in our classics has gained such a wide influence on our people as the Bhagawad Gita: and <strong>in, this century, no other single message had such a universal appeal to our countrymen as the single line, &#8220;<em>Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah</em>&#8220;</strong> &#8212; &#8220;Non &#8211; Violence is the greatest Dharma.&#8221;</p>
<p>This line in its over &#8211; emphasis, has sapped both initiative and energy in our millions, and, instead of making us all irresistible moral giants, we have been reduced to poltroons and cowards. And banking on this cowardly resignation of the majority, a handful of fanatics have been perpetrating crimes which even the most barbarous cave dwellers would have avenged. To clothe our weaknesses, we attribute to them glorious names and purposefully persuade ourselves to believe that they are brilliant ideologists !</p>
<p>Let us for a moment go to the original sacred verse and investigate the significances of the moral precept: <em>Ahimsa Paramo Dharmah</em>. <strong>This is the opening line of a stanza, and the very next line reads: <em>Dharma himsaa tathaiva cha</em>. &#8220;So too is all righteous violence.</strong>&#8221; Indeed, non &#8211; violence is the supreme policy to be adopted by man to foster enduring peace in the world; but there are certain dire moments in the life of individuals, as of nations, when we will have to meet force with force in order that justice be done.</p>
<p>To every individual his mother, wife and children are the nearest dependents and to guard their honour and life is the unavoidable first moral duty of each head of the family. This is an obligation whether the victim be a member of the majority or of the minority class within a country, province or city.</p>
<p><strong>By the over &#8211; emphasis laid on non-violence we have come to witness the pathetic situation of today</strong>, when thousands, in cowardly fear take to precipitate flight, leaving their innocent children to be butchered and their unarmed helpless women to be dishonoured or converted or killed. Under the cloak of glorified non &#8211; violence, an entire nation of cowards fly from their homes, when a small sect of fanatic barbarians boldly stalk in and out of their open undefended thresholds to kill, to rape, and to loot. When will we learn to fully interpret our Vedas, scriptures and Upanishads. If only we all learn that dharma &#8211; himsa is equally noble as ahimsa.</p></blockquote>
<p>Comments, thoughts welcome&#8230;and while on this, <strong>don&#8217;t forget to read the <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/09/05/kashmir-bjp-vasudhaiv/" target="_blank">real story behind Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam</a>. </strong></p>
<p><strong>Related </strong>Posts: The series on &#8220;<a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/02/13/dharma-part-3/" target="_blank">Understanding Dharma</a>&#8221; and <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2010/10/09/raj-dharma-dr-iyer/" target="_blank">Raj Dharma</a></p>
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		<title>Open Thread on Temple Wealth &amp; Treasures of Sree Padmanabha</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/07/11/treasures-sree-padmanabhaswamy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2011 06:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Friends: This is a short and hurried post to trigger a discussion on the treasures that have been discovered in the vaults of the Sree PadmanabhaSwamy temple in Thiruvananthapuram&#8230;It is mainly a compilation of comments and some thought-provoking(I hope) questions&#8230;Please do share your thoughts and contribute. 
Will the counsel for petitioner who insisted temple was “public property” please clarify their stance on Waqf land &#8211; large enough to make it the 3rd largest land-holder in India and Church estates &#8211; which constitute the largest ownership of non-agricultural land in India? 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Dear Friends: This is a short and hurried post to trigger a discussion on the treasures that have been discovered in the vaults of the Sree PadmanabhaSwamy temple in Thiruvananthapuram&#8230;It is mainly a compilation of comments and some thought-provoking(I hope) questions&#8230;Please do share your thoughts and contribute. </p>
<p><strong>Will the counsel for petitioner who insisted <a href="http://bit.ly/nBOHpv" target="_blank">temple was “public property</a>” please clarify their stance on <a href="http://bit.ly/edSZq2" target="_blank">Waqf land &#8211; large enough to make it the 3rd largest land-holder in India and Church estates</a></strong> &#8211; which constitute the largest ownership of non-agricultural land in India? </p>
<p>In response to ShashiTharoor&#8217;s tweet: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;let it be used for whatever the temple authorities (&amp;the Supreme Court) decide </p></blockquote>
<p>a<a href="http://bit.ly/q8nbGK" target="_blank"> question posed by Varnam</a>: <strong>Who is SC to decide on pvt wealth?</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;and as treasures tumble out of the vaults of the Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple, <strong>I wonder if &#8220;<a href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/discovery-temple-treasure-sparks-debate-preservation-080600099.html" target="_blank">Preservation&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Safeguarding</a>&#8221; will be used as excuses to bring the sacred place under government control?  </strong>While on this matter, pl read <strong>Sanjeev Nayyar&#8217;s excellent compilation on &#8220;<a href="http://bit.ly/kOIuZ2" target="_blank">Why should Temples Collections be controlled by Government?</a>&#8221; </strong></p>
<p><img class="size-medium wp-image-12178 aligncenter" title="Shri Padmanabha" src="http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Shri-Padmanabha-172x300.jpg" alt="" width="103" height="180" /></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Next, some (edited) responses <a href="http://www.facebook.com/SatyamevaJayate.FanPage" target="_blank">from the facebook page</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Prashanth: ..i would say temple trusts formed by the community is better&#8230;</p>
<p>Tejas Canchi: ..The treasure is of the deity, temple and people. </p>
<p>Saggi Rex: I wonder and suspect of the action by govt wrt WAQF property and TEMPLE property. </p>
<p>Prahalad Appaji: &#8230;it&#8217;s high time HADS heeded to <a href="http://alturl.com/ni97z" target="_blank">Radha Rajan&#8217;s advise</a> </p>
<p>Sandeep Shelke: I&#8217;m afraid that this all will land up in govt coffers.</p>
<p>Unni Pillai: I really wonder if the Indian Pseudo Secular government and Supreme court would show such enthusiasm to go after Church or Mosque assets. </p></blockquote>
<p>Thankfully the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/201?1/07/05/world/asia/05india?.html " target="_blank">Government of Kerala has so far maintained a stance that is sound on reason</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>P. T. Chacko, the spokesman for the chief minister of Kerala, Oommen Chandy.  <strong>Mr. Chacko said Kerala would not seek control of the temple or its treasure</strong>, a step that some activists have recommended. “<strong>The treasure is donated to the temple from disciples and believers; it’s the property of the temple,” he said. “It has nothing to do with the state.” </strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Finally a front-page banner headline from yesterday&#8217;s DNA: &#8221;<a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_sri-padmanabhaswamy-the-lord-of-the-rings-necklaces-and-taxes_1564164" target="_blank">Sri Padmanabhaswamy: The Lord of the rings, necklaces and taxes</a>&#8221; with a sub-title (in the print edition) that exposes the underlying sentiment of the piece. It reads &#8220;<em>The Lord Padmanabha temple got its wealth not just from royal donations but also from brutal taxes, such as the &#8216;breast tax&#8217; levied by the Travancore kings&#8221;. </em>The report concludes with these lines: <em>&#8220;While there&#8217;s no disupting the fact that the Travancore kings were zealous custodians of the deity&#8217;s wealth, it is undeniable that the loot is coloured not just be faith, but also by defeats, fears, deaths, conqeusts and atonements&#8221; </em></p>
<p><strong>I wonder if the author or DNA would ever write a report or dig into how much wealth was taken out of India by Islamic invaders and British colonialists</strong> and how that &#8220;<em>loot is coloured not just be faith, but also by defeats, fears, deaths, conquests..&#8221; </em>I am certainly not holding my breath..but here is a quote that might give you some indication:</p>
<blockquote><p>Many institutions have justifiably disappeared into the anonymity of history. <strong>But in a country like Britain that is so drenched in the culture of heritage, the public invisibility of the East India Company is suspicious. Perhaps a single Hindi word can now help to explain this selective memory, this very British reticence: <em>loot</em>. <a title="23" name="23"></a></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>And we have not even started on the Islamic invasions and the accompanying loot and plunder&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Related</strong> Posts: <a rel="bookmark" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/08/30/loot-east-india-company/">Loot – in search of East India Co. (excerpts)</a>, <a rel="bookmark" href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2006/02/04/economic-exploitation-drain-of-wealth/">Economic Exploitation and the Drain of Wealth during British “Raj”</a>. Additional Reference: <a href="http://voi.org/books/htemples2/" target="_blank">Hindu Temples: What happened to them?</a> by Sitaram Goel.</p>
<p>P.S. I need some one to helo me analyse and summarise the arguments made in Sanjeev Nayyar&#8217;s excellent compilation on Temple Wealth referred above. Any volunteers? If you can help, pl leave a comment below or email me. Thanks</p>
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