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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2012/06/22/girl-child-in-hinduism/comment-page-1/#comment-468928</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When God finds they have eaten the apple, the punishment to the woman was &#039;I will increase you pain during childbirth&#039;.

The very process that will give more meek sheep to herd, is a punishment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who wants to explain that to me? Where is the gender equality?
And Why did Adam and Eve have two SONS Caine and Abel?</description>
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<p>The very process that will give more meek sheep to herd, is a punishment!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
Who wants to explain that to me? Where is the gender equality?<br />
And Why did Adam and Eve have two SONS Caine and Abel?</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2012/06/22/girl-child-in-hinduism/comment-page-1/#comment-468926</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 01:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we fall for baits? And after falling explain in a defensive way till cows come home?

I want to see that for every such question asked by such eager learners (who have mastered enough Sanskrit punditry to understand complex sentences from Veda-s, why they can&#039;t understand the real meaning as well), a similar excerpt from their religious books is put forward.

As, why is Mary Virgin? Or why does Mohammad say to his own son to divorce his young wife so he could marry her? What does that amount to?

Answer a question only to a su-pAtra, one who really wants to learn. Otherwise, ask a counter question to a ku-pAtra.

Written words are already easy to misinterpret. The answer to the questions raised is not difficult, if one wants to understand that life is NOT politically correct at all. A look a Unnatural Selection will also help understand that the desire to have a son (with or without a daughter as well) is not just Indian thing.

The mention of 15 types of hells and 17 types of heavens have to be understood at a social psychology. If we don&#039;t do that then there is no point even discussing anything.

The dark ages in Europe saw a very interesting thing develop. A field book manual to detect, find, tackle, persecute a witch. Yes, it was no joke. The Church had a massive mission which killed over 2 million women in the most brutal way - naked live burning at stake; third degree torture of skin burning, nail-pulling etc.

This whole operation was sanctioned by the Pope. Now, who should I go and ask some clarification as to why so many women were killed, and sex ration screwed along with the fairer sex?

In the name of search for truth, don&#039;t all for baits from a ku-pAtra.
I can ask 10 intriguing questions about anyone&#039;s mother. How much should they respond academically and respectfully?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we fall for baits? And after falling explain in a defensive way till cows come home?</p>
<p>I want to see that for every such question asked by such eager learners (who have mastered enough Sanskrit punditry to understand complex sentences from Veda-s, why they can&#8217;t understand the real meaning as well), a similar excerpt from their religious books is put forward.</p>
<p>As, why is Mary Virgin? Or why does Mohammad say to his own son to divorce his young wife so he could marry her? What does that amount to?</p>
<p>Answer a question only to a su-pAtra, one who really wants to learn. Otherwise, ask a counter question to a ku-pAtra.</p>
<p>Written words are already easy to misinterpret. The answer to the questions raised is not difficult, if one wants to understand that life is NOT politically correct at all. A look a Unnatural Selection will also help understand that the desire to have a son (with or without a daughter as well) is not just Indian thing.</p>
<p>The mention of 15 types of hells and 17 types of heavens have to be understood at a social psychology. If we don&#8217;t do that then there is no point even discussing anything.</p>
<p>The dark ages in Europe saw a very interesting thing develop. A field book manual to detect, find, tackle, persecute a witch. Yes, it was no joke. The Church had a massive mission which killed over 2 million women in the most brutal way &#8211; naked live burning at stake; third degree torture of skin burning, nail-pulling etc.</p>
<p>This whole operation was sanctioned by the Pope. Now, who should I go and ask some clarification as to why so many women were killed, and sex ration screwed along with the fairer sex?</p>
<p>In the name of search for truth, don&#8217;t all for baits from a ku-pAtra.<br />
I can ask 10 intriguing questions about anyone&#8217;s mother. How much should they respond academically and respectfully?</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 20:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just need to look at the text as-is without trying to interpret using our present-day politics and political-correctness. As Vidhya pointed out above in #1, &lt;i&gt;pumsatvam&lt;/i&gt; is a &quot;state&quot; - specifically the state of ones consciousness. Following that verse see &lt;i&gt;manushyatvam&lt;/i&gt; - which is achieved after hundred crore births. Basically, a jeevatma who is in that extremely rare state of being a male brahmana (guna+karma), with the knowledge of vedanta, should not waste it away - and should focus on moksha, jeevan-mukti. At that state, because of the sattva guna, it is &lt;i&gt;comparatively&lt;/i&gt; easier to renounce all attachments, whereas in other states it is &lt;i&gt;comparatively&lt;/i&gt; difficult - but not impossible - because ultimately it is &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt; Brahman.

&lt;i&gt;#3. froginthewell said: ... At a time when women were not allowed to study upaniShads ...&lt;/i&gt;

We can be pretty sure that Mandana Mishra&#039;s wife, Ubhaya Bharathi, was a &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;woman&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just need to look at the text as-is without trying to interpret using our present-day politics and political-correctness. As Vidhya pointed out above in #1, <i>pumsatvam</i> is a &#8220;state&#8221; &#8211; specifically the state of ones consciousness. Following that verse see <i>manushyatvam</i> &#8211; which is achieved after hundred crore births. Basically, a jeevatma who is in that extremely rare state of being a male brahmana (guna+karma), with the knowledge of vedanta, should not waste it away &#8211; and should focus on moksha, jeevan-mukti. At that state, because of the sattva guna, it is <i>comparatively</i> easier to renounce all attachments, whereas in other states it is <i>comparatively</i> difficult &#8211; but not impossible &#8211; because ultimately it is <em>all</em><em> Brahman.</p>
<p><i>#3. froginthewell said: &#8230; At a time when women were not allowed to study upaniShads &#8230;</i></p>
<p>We can be pretty sure that Mandana Mishra&#8217;s wife, Ubhaya Bharathi, was a </em><em>woman</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bharat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bharat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;For several days and nights, the Rishi Jaratkaru was tormented by visions of old men hanging precariously upside down from a ledge extending across a dark bottomless pit. “Save us, save us,” they cried. “Who are you?” asked the sage. The old men replied, “We are Pitrs, your ancestors. Save us. Save yourself.” “How?” asked Jaratkaru. “Here is how,”  said the ancestors, “get a wife and beget upon her children. If you don’t we will forever be trapped in Pitr-loka (the land of ancestors), hanging upside down, and you will be trapped forever in the hell known as Put.”

This story recurs several times in the Puranas. Rishi Agastya had a similar vision. Following this vision, Jaratkaru and Agastya get married and produce children. A male offspring was called Putra and a female offspring was called Putri because by their birth they saved their parents from the hell known as Put reserved for men and women who refuse to produce children. Pitrs are typically portrayed in art in male form because in the language of symbols, the male form is used to represent the soul while the female form is used to represent the flesh.&quot;

Patnaik is not being politically correct. Read this story in Mahabharat.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01117.htm

SECTION CXVI
(Sambhava Parva continued)

&quot;Janamejaya said, &#039;O sinless one, thou hast narrated to me from the beginning all about the birth of Dhritarashtra&#039;s hundred sons owing to the boon granted by the Rishi. But thou hast not told me as yet any particulars about the birth of the daughter. Thou hast merely said that over and above the hundred sons, there was another son named Yuyutsu begotten upon a Vaisya woman, and a daughter. The great Rishi Vyasa of immeasurable energy said unto the daughter of the king of Gandhara that she would become the mother of a hundred sons. Illustrious one, how is that thou sayest Gandhari had a daughter over and above her hundred sons? If the ball of flesh was distributed by the great Rishi only into a hundred parts, and if Gandhari did not conceive on any other occasion, how was then Duhsala born. Tell me this, O Rishi! my curiosity hath been great.&quot;

&quot;Vaisampayana said, &#039;O descendant of the Pandavas, thy question is just, and I will tell thee how it happened. The illustrious and great Rishi himself, by sprinkling water over that ball of flesh, began to divide it into parts. And as it was being divided into parts, the nurse began to take them up and put them one by one into those pots filled with clarified butter. While this process was going on, the beautiful and chaste Gandhari of rigid vows, realising the affection that one feeleth for a daughter, began to think within herself, &#039;There is no doubt that I shall have a hundred sons, the Muni having said so. It can never be otherwise. But I should be very happy if a daughter were born of me over and above these hundred sons and junior to them all. My husband then may attain to those worlds that the possession of a daughter&#039;s sons conferreth. Then again, the affection the women feel for their sons-in-law is great. If, therefore, I obtain a daughter over and above my hundred sons, then, surrounded by sons and daughter&#039;s sons, I may feel supremely blest. If I have ever practised ascetic austerities, if I have ever given anything in charity, if I have ever performed the homa (through Brahamanas), if I have ever gratified my superiors by respectful attentions, then (as the fruit of those acts) let a daughter be born unto me.&#039; 

All this while that illustrious and best of Rishis, Krishna-Dwaipayana himself was dividing the ball of flesh; and counting a full hundred of the parts, he said unto the daughter of Suvala, &#039;Here are thy hundred sons. I did not speak aught unto thee that was false. Here, however, is one part in excess of the hundred, intended for giving thee a daughter&#039;s son. This part shall develop into an amiable and fortunate daughter, as thou hast desired&#039; Then that great ascetic brought another pot full of clarified butter, and put the part intended for a daughter into it.

&quot;Thus have I, O Bharata, narrated unto thee all about the birth of Duhsala. Tell me, O sinless one, what more I am now to narrate.&#039;</description>
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&#8220;For several days and nights, the Rishi Jaratkaru was tormented by visions of old men hanging precariously upside down from a ledge extending across a dark bottomless pit. “Save us, save us,” they cried. “Who are you?” asked the sage. The old men replied, “We are Pitrs, your ancestors. Save us. Save yourself.” “How?” asked Jaratkaru. “Here is how,”  said the ancestors, “get a wife and beget upon her children. If you don’t we will forever be trapped in Pitr-loka (the land of ancestors), hanging upside down, and you will be trapped forever in the hell known as Put.”</p>
<p>This story recurs several times in the Puranas. Rishi Agastya had a similar vision. Following this vision, Jaratkaru and Agastya get married and produce children. A male offspring was called Putra and a female offspring was called Putri because by their birth they saved their parents from the hell known as Put reserved for men and women who refuse to produce children. Pitrs are typically portrayed in art in male form because in the language of symbols, the male form is used to represent the soul while the female form is used to represent the flesh.&#8221;</p>
<p>Patnaik is not being politically correct. Read this story in Mahabharat.<br />
<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01117.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01117.htm</a></p>
<p>SECTION CXVI<br />
(Sambhava Parva continued)</p>
<p>&#8220;Janamejaya said, &#8216;O sinless one, thou hast narrated to me from the beginning all about the birth of Dhritarashtra&#8217;s hundred sons owing to the boon granted by the Rishi. But thou hast not told me as yet any particulars about the birth of the daughter. Thou hast merely said that over and above the hundred sons, there was another son named Yuyutsu begotten upon a Vaisya woman, and a daughter. The great Rishi Vyasa of immeasurable energy said unto the daughter of the king of Gandhara that she would become the mother of a hundred sons. Illustrious one, how is that thou sayest Gandhari had a daughter over and above her hundred sons? If the ball of flesh was distributed by the great Rishi only into a hundred parts, and if Gandhari did not conceive on any other occasion, how was then Duhsala born. Tell me this, O Rishi! my curiosity hath been great.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Vaisampayana said, &#8216;O descendant of the Pandavas, thy question is just, and I will tell thee how it happened. The illustrious and great Rishi himself, by sprinkling water over that ball of flesh, began to divide it into parts. And as it was being divided into parts, the nurse began to take them up and put them one by one into those pots filled with clarified butter. While this process was going on, the beautiful and chaste Gandhari of rigid vows, realising the affection that one feeleth for a daughter, began to think within herself, &#8216;There is no doubt that I shall have a hundred sons, the Muni having said so. It can never be otherwise. But I should be very happy if a daughter were born of me over and above these hundred sons and junior to them all. My husband then may attain to those worlds that the possession of a daughter&#8217;s sons conferreth. Then again, the affection the women feel for their sons-in-law is great. If, therefore, I obtain a daughter over and above my hundred sons, then, surrounded by sons and daughter&#8217;s sons, I may feel supremely blest. If I have ever practised ascetic austerities, if I have ever given anything in charity, if I have ever performed the homa (through Brahamanas), if I have ever gratified my superiors by respectful attentions, then (as the fruit of those acts) let a daughter be born unto me.&#8217; </p>
<p>All this while that illustrious and best of Rishis, Krishna-Dwaipayana himself was dividing the ball of flesh; and counting a full hundred of the parts, he said unto the daughter of Suvala, &#8216;Here are thy hundred sons. I did not speak aught unto thee that was false. Here, however, is one part in excess of the hundred, intended for giving thee a daughter&#8217;s son. This part shall develop into an amiable and fortunate daughter, as thou hast desired&#8217; Then that great ascetic brought another pot full of clarified butter, and put the part intended for a daughter into it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Thus have I, O Bharata, narrated unto thee all about the birth of Duhsala. Tell me, O sinless one, what more I am now to narrate.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Prakash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prakash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People in India were backward in those days. They did not have cars. They travelled on foot. They did not have maternity hospitals (Adi Shankaracharya has not mentioned of one) so women really suffered a lot. 

Outside India, the world was very well developed. All were equal, happy, and prosperous. Outside India, women were given a lot of respect, and still men and women were equal because men also were given a lot of respect.

The tradition of disrespecing women still continues in India. For the President&#039;s election in 2012, no party bothered to offer candidature to a woman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in India were backward in those days. They did not have cars. They travelled on foot. They did not have maternity hospitals (Adi Shankaracharya has not mentioned of one) so women really suffered a lot. </p>
<p>Outside India, the world was very well developed. All were equal, happy, and prosperous. Outside India, women were given a lot of respect, and still men and women were equal because men also were given a lot of respect.</p>
<p>The tradition of disrespecing women still continues in India. For the President&#8217;s election in 2012, no party bothered to offer candidature to a woman!</p>
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