Losing sleep over communal violence and hate propaganda

Yes, I was in digital detox slumber..but the worthies at NAC managed to wake me up.  Below , collated readings on the Communal Violence Bill, proposed by the NAC. Do read and worry.  And add “hate propoganda” and attempts to destroy “secular fabric” of the nation to “scandalous information about high-profile people” and other such things you should worry about if you write a blog or say/write anything in public… The signs are not good..not good at all

To start off, excerpts from Sh Arun Jaitley’s commentary on why the communal violence bill is flawed (emphasis mine):

The most vital definition of the bill is of the expression ‘group’. A ‘group’ means a religious or linguistic minority and in a given state may include the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The bill creates a whole set of new offences in Chapter II. Clause 6 clarifies that the offences under this bill are in addition to the offences under the SC & ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, 1989. Can a person be punished twice for the same offence?

..Clause 8 prescribes that ‘hate propaganda’ is an offence when a person by words oral or written or a visible representation causes hate against a ‘group’ or a person belonging to a ‘group’.

…Any communal trouble during which offences are committed is a law and order problem. Dealing with the law and order is squarely within the domain of the state governments. In the division of powers between the Centre and the states, the central government has no direct authority to deal with the law and order issues; nor is it directly empowered to deal with them nor it can legislate on the subject.

If the proposed bill becomes a law, then effectively it is the central government which would have usurped the jurisdiction of the states and legislated on a subject squarely within the domain of the states.

India has been gradually moving towards a more amicable inter-community relationship. Even when minor communal or caste disturbances occur, there is a national mood of revulsion against them. The governments, media, the courts among other institutions rise to perform their duty. The perpetrators of communal trouble should certainly be punished.

This draft bill however proceeds on a presumption that communal trouble is created only by members of the majority community and never by a member of the minority community. Thus, offences committed by members of the majority community against members of the minority community are punishable. Identical offences committed by minority groups against the majority are not deemed to be offences at all.

No member of the majority community can ever be a victim. This draft law thus proceeds on an assumption which re-defines the offences in a highly discriminatory manner. No member of the minority community are to be punished under this act for having committed the offence against the majority community.

It is only a member of the majority community who is prone to commit such offences and therefore the legislative intent of this law is that since only majority community members commit these offences, culpability and punishment should only be confined to them.  If implemented in a manner as provided by this bill, it opens up a huge scope for abuse. It can incentivise members of some communities to commit such offences encouraged by the fact that they would never be charged under the act.

…Why should the law discriminate on the basis of a religion or caste?

The bill provides for a seven-member national authority for communal harmony, justice and reparations. Of these seven members at least four of them including the chairman and vice-chairman shall only belong to a ‘group’ (the minority community). A similar body is intended to be created in the states. Membership of this body thus shall be on religious and caste grounds. The offenders under this law are only the members of the majority community.

Under clause 74 of the bill if an offence of hate propaganda is alleged against a person, a presumption of guilt shall exist unless the offender proves to the contrary. An allegation thus is equivalent to proof. Public servants under this bill under clause 67 are liable to be proceeded against without any sanction from the state.

The special public prosecutor to conduct proceedings under this act shall not act in aid of truth but ‘in the interest of the victim’. ..The occurrence of organised communal and targeted violence under this act shall amount to an internal disturbance in a state within the meaning of Article 355 entitling the central government to impose President’s Rule.

…The drafting of this bill appears to be a handiwork of those social entrepreneurs who have learnt from the Gujarat experience of how to fix senior leaders even when they are not liable for an offence.

Offences which are defined under the bill have been deliberately left vague. Communal and targeted violence means violence which destroys the ‘secular fabric of the nation’. There can be legitimate political differences as to what constitutes secularism. The phrase secularism can be construed differently by different persons. Which definition is the judge supposed to follow? Similarly, the creation of a hostile ‘environment’ may leave enough scope for a subjective decision as to what constitutes ‘a hostile environment’.

…I have no doubt that once this law is implemented with the intention with which it is being drafted, it will create disharmony in the inter-community relations in India. It is a law fraught with dangerous consequences. It is bound to be misused. Perhaps, that appears to be the real purpose behind its drafting. It will encourage minority communalism. The law defies the basic principles of equality and fairness.

Next, some excerpts from Offstumped’s excellent dissection of some of the clauses of the law (emphasis mine):

…The draft is 67 pages long and begins with definitions which need to be closely looked at. Especially definitions like:

…#2 Communal and Targeted Violence

which are so broad and vague that they are easily liable to all kinds of interpretations. As an example within the definition of “Communal and Targeted Violence” is the phrase “destroys the secular fabric of the nation”.

It is anybody’s guess what exactly  ”destroying the secular fabric”  means. What test will be applied and by who ?
…Yet another tax payer funded National Conscience Keeper is envisaged in the creation of the proposed “National Authority for Communal Harmony, Justice and Reparation”. Much of the rest of the draft bill goes into the bureaucratic aspects of the so called “National Authority”. The draconian and anti-federal character of the “National Authority” becomes clear on Page 16 under the “Powers of the National Authority”. Specific anti-federal powers include:
#1 – Binding directives to agencies of the State
#2 – Judicial Powers of a Civil Court in running inquiries and investigations
#3 – Power to search any building
#4- Power to refer cases for trial to the Judiciary under the Criminal code
#5 – Treating proceedings conducted by it as Judicial Proceedings
#6 – Wide investigative powers through any existing agency
# 7 – Role on inquiring into the conduct of Armed Forces
#8 – Democratically elected governments will be required  by law to explain within 7 days why the National Authority directives were not complied with
#9 – the setting up of a parallel structure within the states called the “State Authority”

The most hilarious aspect of the Bill is the permanent interventionist role it envisages for Left Liberal Jhollawallahs and NGOs under the guise of what it calls “Defenders for Justice and Reparations” where in the state authority can appoint any random individual and empower him or her with an interventionist role.

…The provision on free legal aid to victims must also take the cake for this ill conceived piece of legislation. So essentially Tax Payers of India shall foot the legal bill for victims, and given the broad definition of the word victim it is anybody’s guess how tax payer money shall be milked in the name of Justice.

The bill also provides for broad claims of reparations at the tax payers expense with even vague criteria like “psychological harm” being in scope.
The bill very conveniently sticks the bill for paying reparations to the state governments while conferring all kinds of powers on the Central Government to interfere.
…Another insight into the communally prejudiced mindset with which this bill was written becomes evident within the section on “Guarantee of non-repetition” on Page 50.
The search for the bodies of those killed or disappeared and assistance in the identification and reburial of the bodies in accordance with the cultural practices of the families and communities
The above language exposes the communal mindset goes to show the NAC Left Libs who drafted this Bill have made the assumption that perpetrators will always be Hindus and the victims will always be Muslims or Christians.

and finally, excerpts from Communal Violence Bill: A Conspiracy by NAC by Manohar Seetharam (emphasis mine):

Many of the readers might be already familiar with the constitution, functioning and the orientation of the National Advisory Council (NAC). NAC is an extra-constitutional body that was constituted by an executive order in the year 2004. In this regard it is similar to the Planning Commission of India, which has acquired allmost an indispensable role for itself when it comes to economic policy. The crucial difference being that the Planning Commission is chaired by the PM, where as the NAC was peculiarly designed to suit the politics of UPA,i.e to portray Smt. Sonia Gandhi, Chairperson of NAC, as the saviour of the poor and oppressed. Despite being an outcome of national politics NAC has off late come to represent and position itself as a government within government, allowing the ruling party to position itself both with and against the government.

…As every new law these days does, this law too prescribes the setting up of a new official structures and offices with vested power. A body known as National Authority For Communal Harmony, Justice And Reparation. In a token gesture to our federalism (which it later proceeds to undermine) it calls for similar bodies at the state level too. Having ensured ghoda, gaadi, kursi and a lifetime of pension for themselves and their ilk they proceed to brazenly forward their agenda, in no uncertain terms and with clinical precision. If this has caused any outrage in you, then I am certain what follows is sure to bankrupt you of it completely.

All the provisions provided in the bill are centered around and built on “ targeting a person by virtue of his of her membership of any group”. It is very clear even to a layman like me what it’s implications would be. Firstly, any targeted violence on those who are not a part of the “group” would automatically not qualify as communal violence. Hence violence reported in the recent times from places like Deganga or Meerut would fall outside the bill’s scope. Secondly, in a situation where there is violence from two or more sides targeted at each other, the provisions, powers and punishment of this bill would be deployed only against one such side.

…Leaving other issues like legitimisation of phone tapping and like aside the above two issues are sufficient to be really worried about this bill and it’s intended consequences. Sadly, but from a very few influential columnists this draft hasn’t received the treatement it deserves. Media apart, it is sad to see that the other stakeholders like the State government’s remain silent on such proposals. May be this bill won’t get passed, but it is important to use these opportunities to draw lines and set new thresholds which would stay etched in both institutional and individual memories. The biggest takeaway from this is that the NAC today feels much more confident and sure of itself. The many  battles they  fought with the PMO and the Cabinet has emboldened them to attempt such a thing.
With the public outrage solely focussed on the corruption cases, nobody has bothered to ask them  the right question, which is : How dare you ?.

Comments and thoughts welcome, as always.

Pl also see these set of slides on “Implications of the Communal Violence Bill”  that I had prepared for a talk at CIPL in Dec ’11

B Shantanu

Political Activist, Blogger, Advisor to start-ups, Seed investor. One time VC and ex-Diplomat. Failed mushroom farmer; ex Radio Jockey. Currently involved in Reclaiming India - One Step at a Time.

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37 Responses

  1. G says:

    With this bill the Congress has sullied it’s history forever. If not today at least for all posterity Congress will go down as the party which sought to re-impose Mughal tyranny of the Aurangzeb variety on hindus who still constitute at least 80% of India. What this bill seeks to do is turn the minorities into an inviolable and sacrosanct class any member of which can now legally spit into the mouth of someone belonging to the hated majority and the latter will not be able to do anything except swallow. If he does anything to retaliate he will be prosecuted to the most extreme extent of the law imaginable. BTW this was the law of the land under Mughal tyranny. It only remains for Congress to label the hated majority “Kafirs”. With this law Hindus should be left in no doubt that we are that in all but name for these bigoted hate-mongers.

  2. B Shantanu says:

    More depressing news: Communal violence prevention bill to be taken ahead: Sibal
    …Kapil Sibal said Thursday that the UPA government was determined to take forward the communal violence prevention bill despite objections from the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).
    Sibal told reporters that the bill was likely to go to standing committee after it is introduced in parliament.
    ‘We do not want any state government not to be accountable for the kind of things that happened in the past,’ Sibal said, in an apparent reference to the post-Godhra riots in Gujarat in 2002.

    Beginning to look like selective justice at its best…

  3. chakram says:

    I rem always reading the news from Pakistan like a Muslim accuse some other religion person of talking blasphemy against Prophet Mohammed(PBUH)and the accused get arrested. And I need not to tell what happens to that person next. Are we heading towards the same fate? Non-bailable arrest warrant? Well, anyway, this bill suits us. All us Hindus are in self-denial mode and we never utter a debate against any other religion.And we severely accuse of those who speaks up. So.. it all suits well. I belong to Andhra Pradesh and would be safe for ‘now’. I am wondering about Hindus in Kerala,Assam,Bengal,UP,Kashmir,Mumbai etc.

  4. chakram says:

    UPA govt annulled POTA law on the grounds of misuse and harassment of political opponents. And I remember the great Chidambaram’s statement immediately after Mumbai attacks that existing laws are enough to tackle terrorism. In the same way, aren’t the existing laws are enough to tackle communal violence? to hell with UPA.

  5. What we need, instead, is the application of the following policy on religious freedom that was drafted by FTT: http://freedomteam.in/blog/content/religious-freedom-and-tolerance.

    Properly implemented that would cover all situations and no new laws will be needed.

  6. This is another commentary on
    NAC-drafted Bill to kill State Govts
    “The Nehru-Gandhi family in particular has taken exceptional care to nurture quackery and cretinism as long as they were packaged in the garb of ‘progressive’ politics.”

    On this occasion I remember one such poem by legendary Bismil Azimabadi “सरफ़रोशी की तमन्ना”: few paras here.

    है लिए हथियार दुश्मन ताक में बैठा उधर,
    और हम तैयार हैं सीना लिए अपना इधर।
    ख़ून से खेलेंगे होली अगर वतन मुश्क़िल में है
    सरफ़रोशी की तमन्ना अब हमारे दिल में है।

    हाथ, जिन में है जूनून, कटते नही तलवार से,
    सर जो उठ जाते हैं वो झुकते नहीं ललकार से।
    और भड़केगा जो शोला सा हमारे दिल में है,
    सरफ़रोशी की तमन्ना अब हमारे दिल में है।

    हम तो घर से निकले ही थे बाँधकर सर पर कफ़न,
    जाँ हथेली पर लिए लो बढ चले हैं ये कदम।
    ज़िंदगी तो अपनी मॆहमाँ मौत की महफ़िल में है
    सरफ़रोशी की तमन्ना अब हमारे दिल में है।

    Jai Bharat!

  7. This is a ridiculous bill in too many ways. It must be opposed tooth and nail by all sensible persons. A clear attack on freedom of expression, and continuation of the discriminatory legal system of India that has created a total mess. But one can only expect this kind of idiotic thinking from socialists.

    High time to overthrow the government, guys. Anyone interested in doing so? Join FTI to speed up the process (http://freedomteam.in/). It is not enough to complain. We must seek the mandate to oppose this kind of nonsense in the parliament.

    S

  8. Vidhya says:

    Is there no way to stop this bill. This is outright dangerous, and makes 80% Indians vulnerable, if were aren’t vulnerable and suppressed already? Are we going to wake up and protest, or keep quiet?

  9. 2bornot2b says:

    Thanks for bringing this up. If anyone has doubts whose interests congress have in their minds, this proposed bill would clear all such doubts. What a bunch of cons. This is truly shocking. G in his comments above has described in the best possible manner.

  10. Kishan says:

    The fangs that were cleverly hidden are now out in the open.If this bill becomes law then it will be the easiest thing to get away for criminals from the arms of the law to convert and become a minority as defined by this law and start a communal riot.No arm of the law will then get them.

  11. Sivakumar says:

    Kudos to congress for creating a new Savage religion with Sonia as its prophet and all the jholawallahs and so-called civil society activists as its apostles. This communal violence bill is the new revelation. So the UPA have decided to take bharat to a dark age.

  12. Prakash says:

    I take it that there in no elected body/party that is interested in looking at this bill and analysing its pros and cons. How come the bill progressed so far without any critical analysis by various political parties and other organisations?

  13. B Shantanu says:

    Reading NAC’s Bill would land Dikshit in jail by Swapan Dasgupta (emphasis added)…
    Amid the annual madness over college admissions, Delhi is witnessing a sideshow in St Stephen’s College, which its Principal has described as a “national treasure”. It seems that Sandeep Dikshit, a Delhi MP and son of Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit, was dropped as the alumni representative on the college’s governing body. The college authorities say that Dikshit hadn’t attended a single meeting since 2009 and Dikshit has retorted that St Stephen’s has lost the plot and functions like a “communal institution”. In reply, Principal Valson Thampu has charged Dikshit of failing to distinguish between communalism and “minority rights”.

    If the Communal Violence Bill as drafted by the National Advisory Council is passed by Parliament, it is entirely possible that the Congress MP for East Delhi could well be confronted with a non-bailable warrant on the charge of creating a “hostile” and “offensive environment” against a minority institution [clause 3 (f) (5)]. A member of a minority group could walk up to any police station and submit that Dikshit’s expression of disgust with St Stephen’s had contributed to his “mental” and “psychological” harm [clause 3 (j)]. He would claim that Dikshit’s outburst “could reasonably be construed to demonstrate an intention to promote or incite hatred” against the Christian minority [clause 8]. Since the proposed legislation stipulates that “Every Police Officer shall take action, to the best of his or her ability, to prevent the commission of all offences under this Act” [clause 18 (2)], the relevant thana will have to register a case under the new legislation.

    Nor can the politician in Dikshit brush off the case as yet another occupational irritant whose handling is left to a lawyer and forgotten. The Bill is explicit that “unless otherwise specified, all offences under this Act shall be cognisable and non-bailable” [clause 58].

    More insidiously, the proposed legislation has an intriguing clause: “Where any question arises whether an offence committed against a member of a group was committed against him or her by virtue of his or her membership of a group, it shall be so inferred that it was so directed from the nature and circumstances of the act” [clause 73]. In plain English, this means that there is a presumption of guilt of the accused. As far as the Bill is concerned, the principle of innocent until proven guilty has been turned on its head.

    ..The National Authority appointed by the Centre is not made up of seven sober and dispassionate judges. Of the seven, four must be members of a minority group or SC/ST and four must be women [clause 21(3)]. Apart from a knowledge of law, they must “have a record of promoting communal harmony” and shouldn’t have been a member of a political party in the year preceding their appointment [clause 23 (1)]. Additionally, they shouldn’t “have exhibited bias against any group, by acts or in writing or otherwise” [clause 23 (2)]. It is unlikely such an authority will be unbiased.

    For India, such a National Authority, blessed with draconian powers, including the right to enter properties, carry out searches [clause 33 (4)] and even control media content [clause 8 and 67(1)] may remind people of the infamous Rowlatt Act. But there is an added twist: This is the first time a statutory and quasi-judicial authority will be appointed on the basis of a communal quota. And this body will also monitor and review transfers and postings of the civil administration in districts that have a record of communal tension or where communal disturbances could flare up [clause 32(2)].

    India will thus make its debut in coupling activist jurisprudence with communal jurisprudence. With a State Authority mirroring the National Authority and replenished by ‘Human Rights Defenders for Justice and Reparations’ in each district [clause 56 (1)] it will now be jobs for all the activists and their friends, relatives and lovers.

    India will witness a parallel Government committed to the principle that some Indians are more equal than others. It will open the floodgates for settling private scores and political vendetta…
    ***
    As I read this, I wonder..where are the “activists” who protested loudly against “corruption” and urged everyone to register their protest and go on fasts and such?
    Where are the “voices of reason” that urged people to choose the method of legislation and “electoral democracy” to pass laws against corruption?
    Where are the hyper-active folks on twitter and facebook who made their voice (and opinion) heard by supporting “India Against Corruption”?
    Who will support “India Against Insidious Laws” or “India Against Communal Politics” or “India Against Dividing Indians – One Step at a Time”?

  14. B Shantanu says:

    Pl please take a few seconds and sign this petition “Objections To Prevention Of Communal Violence Bill” http://bit.ly/ku3No7

  15. B Shantanu says:

    Excerpts from A communal bill by Nirmala Seetharaman:

    …With the NAC drafting the Communal & Sectarian Violence Bill, would it be wrong to wonder if the home ministry has “outsourced” one of its functions?
    The Indian Constitution — through the “Allocation of Business” and the “Transaction of Business” rules — defines the roles of ministries but not of advisory councils. One may argue that the Planning Commission too is an advisory body and we have no issues with it. Then why the discomfort over NAC? The Planning Commission reports to the Prime Minister and he is the head of our executive. Does the NAC report to the Prime Minister? No. The NAC is not a statutory or a constitutional body.
    Shouldn’t our elected representatives have the first right to frame, amend and review our laws? Is it envisaged in our Constitution that any group of people, led by a member of Parliament elevated to Cabinet rank, can draft laws? If our executive has forfeited its job, shouldn’t our legislature pull them up? The legislature doesn’t brook the judiciary treading on its toes, and rightly so. Here the executive is being completely bypassed. Doesn’t it mind?

    Violence can be physical, mental, verbal, psychological etc. For instance, a community can be petrified about its safety even without riots. Didn’t all of us believe that West Bengal is a temple of communal harmony only till the other day when Deganga happened? What does it take for 60,000 Chakmas to fear that they will be driven out of Arunachal Pradesh? In the old city of Hyderabad, in Hailakandi and Silchar, riots are occasional, but some communities live perpetually in an environment of insecurity, scared that they are, in a planned fashion, being forced out of their ancestral homes. These are the outcomes of communal violence, not of riot. But it’s communal violence all the same.
    If the NAC relates to only riot-based experiences, has it drawn people from organisations which have worked with victims of Nelli, Bhagalpur, Meerut, Nanded, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Delhi, Marad and others? A broad-based advisory council will have its benefits.
    Point two of the draft bill’s key elements wants the sub-group “to frame relevant provisions… for… the resettlement and reparations, keeping in mind the rights of internally-displaced persons”. Here let us not forget the nearly 3,000 families of Reongs of Mizoram who are living in refugee camps in Tripura. The Kashmiri Pundits may provide inputs to the NAC but are the Dimasas and the Jammi Nagas of the former NC Hills being heard? They too have suffered communal violence.

    “The question of who in the bureaucratic or political chain should be held responsible and penalised for failure to maintain harmony has dogged the bill”, said a leading newspaper in July 2010. Understandably so! In Deganga, it is alleged that a member of Parliament belonging to the United Progressive Alliance coalition is directly involved in communal attacks. In the political chain then will the bill enable us to hold the Prime Minister responsible?

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  17. AAryan says:

    This bill can book any of the groups, who are fighting against corruption, illiteracy, poverty, liberty etc. What I see is any security agency can arrest any person under one of the clause per CVB, twisting it into a as fact for generating a communal disharmony. The ingredient is already there, a person form minority has to produce a communal twist to such activity an activity against the mis-governance, and viola, CV is under its way.
    This can extend to the blog owners too.

    ||namO Bhaartam, namO Sanskritam||

  18. bhuvan says:

    As a citizen of this great nation, Bharatavarsha which is known for nyaya and moral values since time immemorial, IMHO I consider this proposed bill as draconian and worse than a Rowlatt act of 1919 of British Raj which eventually was reapealed after 3 years.

    Already various links have been shared on this blog with regard to analysis/commentaries. I would like to raise only two points.

    1. Fair, honest and rationale approach starts with remaining non-judgemental and without any sort of prejudice while handling any issue or for that matter national issues. I did not see a single instance of this in this entire 67 page draft which is an amalgamation of ‘HYPOTHESIS’. Why on earth you want to draft a bill by using terms such as ‘MINORITY’ and ‘MAJORITY’, ‘GROUP’. Why can’t you simply address the CULPRIT by calling him/her ‘ANTI-SOCIAL’ or ‘ANTI-NATIONAL’ irrespective of any religion, caste, creed, sex. Why do you want to use the Word ‘COMMUNAL’ in title, why not to use words like ‘NEIGHBOURHOOD VIOLENCE’. Nothing is ‘PREVENTIVE’ in this draft, in fact everything is ‘PERMISSIVE’ before the actual ‘action’ begin.

    2. What is NAC? Is it some constitutional or statuatory body? Answer is NEITHER. IS MHA running short of staff? or NAC is too good a body with out of the world EP’s who can’t even approach the things with PURITY. Any kabbadiwala in Delhi can tell that this bill is not drafted with fair mindedness.

    I can’t understand why NAC is even functioning. According to its own constitution it was formed on 31 May 2004 by some central Govt order. The chairperson resigned in 2006 and the council ceased to exist after 31 March 2008 (according to its constitution). Then how NAC is revived again with the same Central govt order of May 2004 in March 2010. What is the legality involved in this? And how come NAC is making some important bills without MHA and to whom it is accountable? At least not to prime minister of India, then to whom?

  19. AAryan says:

    It seems Bhuvan read my mind. He pointed out very aptly how the NAC is getting hypocritical, on one hand it is saying secular and on the other hand it is propagating (indirectly)communism. This bill reflects the aptitude of the NAC members, instead of creating policies for harmony they are going after creating law.
    In the wake of this bill I would rather pin down the government to act on the clause 99,100,103,109,110,113 for the Kashmiri pandits. They should be working hard on clause 113 (guarantee of non repetition) in Assam, AP, Maharashtra,Gujarat and under their very own nose Delhi.
    An educated man knows very well that laws are made for a temporary relief, the state should work towards progressive path striving for enrichment of mankind and the society at large.
    I see this document as an extension of perversion, in a minor sense because it will be hard to draw a line between faith and action of a person. This bill eventually is trying to sow the seeds of unrest among the faiths, as it has done for SC/ST/BC and others.
    In short if this goes wrong (not executed in the interest of mankind), the other side of this bill, is repetition of partition on a larger scale.
    Now, this calls for a statement – “भगवान बचाये भारत को”.
    ।। नमो भारतम्, नमो संस्क्रितम् ।।

  20. B Shantanu says:

    Don’t be fooled by the headline http://bit.ly/m8wCqK This could well become the 1st case under the proposed Communal Violence Bill.

  21. bhuvan says:

    Couldn’t agree more with your analysis Aaryan.
    Just to sum up this 67 ‘STATE of the art trash’ with couple of quotations:

    “The more corrupt the state, the more laws”

    “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”

  22. twistleton says:

    I think your fears are unfounded.

    That said this Bill alone is not enough to end communal violence. There has to some kind of sensitization of law and order bodies and the victims on any side must have access to a fair trial, this will also mean effective witness protection and rehabilitation, but those things i think the Bill does provide for.

    The Bill does propose to hold the State machinery accountable if mass violence continues unabated. That at any rate, is a step forward.

  23. G says:

    @twistleton: One person’s fear is another person’s realism. The ground reality is that Muslims and Christians, even though they are in a minority, are hostile to Hinduism and Hindus. And now you want to give them legal weapons to deploy against the hapless non-existent “majority”. This is a leap backward into the dark ages of minority tyranny. As such even today there is an ongoing rule of the minority liberal thought-police of which you seem to be a baton-wielding sepoy.

  24. AAryan says:

    Bhuvan: Thanks for the review.
    Twistleton (??): Please refer to clause 135,136 which is open ended. Can you imagine the repercussions of this? I recommend you to attend the live talk on 4th June.
    ।। नमो भारतम्, नमो संस्क्रितम् ।।

  25. 2bornot2b says:

    @twistleton- “That said this Bill alone is not enough to end communal violence”. Yes, you are correct. There is nothing to prevent the ‘group’ (read muslims and xtian) from unleashing voilence on the ‘non-group’. This bill addresses the violence on the ‘group’ not the voilence committed by the ‘group’.

  26. twistleton says:

    @G
    why do you feel the majority is hapless? Is it really?

    @2bornot2b – This Bill is aimed at preventing acts of mass violence/large scale riots. Are you saying people are just waiting to unleash a killing spree? The Bill will make it difficult to mobilize mass pillaging. Do you regret the probable loss of that option?

    The Bill does not imply the rest of legal machinery will become redundant (assuming it is working in the first place 🙂

    The real question to debate is whether passing another bill will bring about any change without police and judicial reforms. Also add to the required list: a healthy dose of attitude adjustment.

  27. G says:

    @twistleton: Answer to your question is in my comment. Really.

    Why do you feel that mobilizing mass pillaging is “easy”? Is it really?

    Why do assume that 2bornot2be is barbaric enough to consider that an option? Is he really? Are you prejudiced enough to leap to that idiotic conclusion just because he opposes this discriminatory law? Are you really?

    Why when it comes to your feared majority is the existing legal machinery enough? Is it really? Particularly when you are willing to doubt whether it works in the first place! What’s the idea? Let the Hindu victims of communal violence trudge through defunct court system while the children of the one true god get fast track courts.

    The real question to debate is how can people like you can legally discriminate against the vast majority of their nation’s people and think that is a good thing!

    Read a bit of world history and current affairs and see how peaceful and non-violent and pacifist are these religions that you are claiming special privileges for today.

  28. twistleton says:

    G,

    Let go of your fear.

  29. G says:

    @twistelton: You first. I’m not the one proposing or supporting a law that selectively targets / persecutes those I fear.

  30. B Shantanu says:

    Dear All: Pl please take a few seconds and sign this petition “Objections To Prevention Of Communal Violence Bill”
    http://www.petitiononline.com/cvb_nac/petition.html
    Please share/circulate widely…

  31. M Patel says:

    Let’s not call it communal violence bill. In reality, It is Anti-Hindu Blasphemy law. So my urgent appeal to all: please call it “Anti-Hindu Blasphemy Law”. If we can popularize the term “Anti-Hindu Blasphemy law” then half the battle is won.

    Many aspects of India’s Anti-Hindu Blasphemy Law are worse than Pakistan and other islamic countries blasphemy laws.

    Pakistan’s anti-blasphemy law is implicitly anti-hindu, curtails free speech, but it does not apply to a group clash; However, India’s CVB is explicitly anti-hindu, automatically assumes that a hindu is guilty, and curtails free-speech and criticism directed at non-hindu faiths. In many respect, CVB is Supra Blasphemy law.

    Number of hindus killed in communal violence is far larger then what pseudo-secular would like us to believe. Terrorism is also a form of communal violance because almost all terror organisation from anti-hindu maoist, nagaland for christ NSCN to Islamist target hindus on the basis of religion.

  32. B Shantanu says:

    Important factoid from Communal Violence Bill divides society by Prof Hilda Raja:
    The drafters of the Bill presume that riots and violence are perpetrated by the “others” (read Hindus). This is certainly not always true. According to Ms Zenab Banu’s Politics of Communalism: a Politico-historical Analysis of Communal Riots in post-Independence India with Special Reference to the Gujarat and Rajasthan Riots (1989), there have been 74 communal riots between 1953 and 1977, of which 75 per cent were instigated by wayward members of the minority community. Even today, 98 per cent of cross border and/or Indian-born terrorism is planned, instigated and perpetrated by the minority community members. Yet, the Union Minister of Home Affairs, Mr P Chidambaram, repeatedly refers to ‘saffrom terror’.

  33. naveen says:

    sir,
    actually art-356 not art-355(centre will provide assistance to state in case of external aggression and internal disturbance.