Joke of the Day…

I hold no brief at all for Abu Azmi but this is amusing – I don’t know how one can justify announcing an enquiry just because he visits relatives of those accused of terror. So the entire family of a terror accused becomes terrorits, do they? Interesting because you dont seem to have qualms about supporting the cause of another terror accused Dilip Patidar (Im not even talking about his relatives, by the way) in another post! I seem to get your point – the entire family of “your” terror accused are terrorists, but “my” teror accused is a poor victim. You should get the nobel prize for doublespeak. Im sorry to say this, but Satyameva Jayate seems to be more about Dharma than Bharat.

Well some people have the tendency to cry for justice and the same set of people forget justice when it is otherwise round. For example in secession of Bangladesh, non Muslims got tortured the most inhumane way, which I guess would not be listed in any exclusive rule books which inspires jehadis but the jehadis kept their guns silent. Millions of people die in naxalism, but, jehadis, strangely, never feel the pain. Soilders would also have died in Kargill but jehadis never felt pain or encouragement to go to Kargill.

Here is another muslim in denial.

http://www.telegraphindia.com//1100325/jsp/nation/story_12259946.jsp

I think, Mr Abu is just being ‘secular’ – remember – blaming Hindus and being soft on terrotists and other religions is called ‘secularism’.

Even Mr. Sameer is trying to be ‘secular’…

Why not?

Is there something which says Hindu right wing organizations do not have it in them to spread terror.

Pune is afterall an old VHP/RSS stronghold. Nathuram Godse, the murderer of Mahatma Gandhi hailed from Pune. His family is still there worshippimg him and holding.

I am not saying that the GB bomb blast is the handiwork of Hindu outfits. I am saying that the investigations must be pursued with an open mind.

@Sid- Your comment is so full of rheoteric and false arguments that I am actually laughing.

Is there something in the right wing ideology which says they cannot be?

Unless you beleive that the Malegaon and Nanded cases are just frame-ups to please us, pseudo secularists. Much before the arrests of the Abhinav Bharat folks , when the Malegaon attacks were the handiwork of muslims only, people had protested that there should be more open minded investigations. The idea was mocked upon till of course the arrests were made.

And stop the rheoteric of my violence was more moral than yours. Where did I say violence was right? Its wrong. However the murder of 50 cannot justify the murder of 2000 or vice-versa. The train burning received enough attention. What more did you want?

Its not about Antulay. The entire country is burning and a big part of the reason is the hate spread by the right wing and its constituents. The Bajrang Dals role in fanning riots is well documented.

And how the hell do you question my patriotism. This is my country. Muslims have fought and died for this country.

In my opinion, the misplace narrative that you guys are so adept at spreading is more damaging then anything. The hindu is being discriminated in a country where he dominates everything. I sometimes laugh at all conspiracy theories and hate I see around.

Sorry incorrect tag closue. Only quoted stuff was to be in bold.

@Sid-

Lolz. You are actually convinced there is a massive conspiracy against Hinduism in a country where Hinduism is in the actual absolute majority.

Your arguments are just that- rheoteric. There is little eveidence of what you imply. Also you interpret my words to suit your tastes even though I have made my position actually clear to the contrary.

Why do not you ask the government to present the evidence to the court instead of a trial by media?. The court case is happening. Indian judiciary does take time. Justice will happen.

But, no, only Hindus are terrorists. Wow, any evidence of this bias. Till now I have heard only Muslims complain that only they can be terrorists. And pretty funny stuff about all that non Hindus can blow up stuff because they are oppressed. I see no evidence to back your assertions.

There is nothing in right wing ideology that justifies murder or blowing up anything. Right wing ideology has a large component of hate. And hate in its more extreme forms allows everything.

Because you speak for Hindus.. your words are rheoteric Sorry to burst your bubble but you speak for Hindus in about the same level as Osama Bin Laden speaks for all Muslims.

Where is that investigation and how did those who were responsible for it were brought to the justice? The train burning happened in Gujrat where BJP was in power and has been still. Are you telling me despite this there was a bias and accused were allowed to go scot free. This is the rheoteric I talk about. Tall statements not based on facts. We can argue about the exact figures but with the same anguish that you condemm the train burning, condemm the murder of the 1200 people also.

So, this means because Godse was from Pune, all residents from Pune are people Wow, did you not cringe before making this statement. This obviously contradicts everything I have said. How can I stereotype an entire city. What I said Pune has been an old right wing base. The secular logic argument that you give is flawed. Look at my first statement.I am not saying that the GB bomb blast is the handiwork of Hindu outfits. I am saying that the investigations must be pursued with an open mind. I have asked for investigations. The Pune bombing outrages me. Pakistan does as a policy support terror in India and the role is well documented. And it should be condemmed. But the case should be cracked first.However where exactly the pseudo secularist that I am say that Pakistan cannot do this or something similar as you so passionately insist

How are Antulay and Bajrang Dal connected escapes me. They are not. This is related to the whole country is burning idea. The country is not burning because of terrorism. The biggest threat before our nation in my opinion is Maoists. Huge areas of India are now no go for government because of Naxals. Then second comes hate- because if we hate each other enough everything will burn. No, I dont think the right wing is dangerousbecause it is involved in bomb blasts. They are dangerous because they spread hate which is already poisoning tha nature. Terrorism is the third problem. It needs better prevention and intelligence efforts. Most of the terrorist appear to have links with handlers across the country. This shows the importance of effective intelligence. Terrorism is a law and order problem.

Muslims have fought and died for this country Your mockery and the failure to acknowledge the sacrifices shows the hate. Md Afzal is just one name. He does not represent Muslims just as no single person represent Hindus. Partition is a story long over but remember while for your forefathers the choice was made, every Muslim in India made the choice to stay in India, beleiving in the idea of India. By dying for the country I talk about people likeBrigadier Usman who died for India in Kashmir in 1948 and so many other Muslims who have served the country since. You whose own actions through hate are probably corroding the nation do not get to question my patriotism or those of Muslims as a whole.

I may be a pseudo secularist but I still beleive in the idea of India and the plurality of things.

Jai Hind.

@Ashraf,
“Your arguments are just that- rheoteric.” – So, why would anyone respond to rhetoric? I know why. Because deep down you know that my response contains stuff you are very uncomfortable with. You are trying hard to shoot down my arguments, whenever you find that tough, you are resorting to ranting.

“And pretty funny stuff … your assertions.” – did you hear of something called sarcasm? I am not the one who has started with ‘oppression’ theory. It is your pseudo-secular clan that come up with the theory every time terrorists bomb a place.

“Right wing ideology has a large component of hate.” – Do you even know what is called right-wing politics?

“Sorry to burst your bubble but you speak for Hindus … Osama Bin Laden speaks for all Muslims.” – So whoever does not agree with you is comparable to someone deplorable. I know your p-sec teachers taught you this line of logic, this generally do not cut anywhere outside English Language Indian media. I can not speak for all Hindus, but neither do you speak for all Muslims to give a blank declaration that all Indian Muslims love India.

“Are you telling me despite this there was a bias and accused were allowed to go scot free.” – If you have some facts supporting your argument other than “BJP was in power” then I am interested to read about them. But I guess presenting facts and evidences is against p-sec ethos and practices.

“… condemm the murder of the 1200 people also.” – Nowhere I have said that a murder of even one person makes me feel happy. At the same vein, your anguish about some selective murders and amnesia about the rest makes me not just uncomfortable but very very angry. When some opportunists chose to highlight a few violent incidents and try to claim victim-hood, it becomes necessary for others to highlight other incidents that the opportunists choose to have amnesia with.

“How can I stereotype an entire city.” – You already did based on what I quoted in the last post. I am not sure if your pseudo-secular brain can grasp the meaning of the sentences you have written yourself but any third person can read the quote and understand. This is a classic “secular” turn-around.

“Terrorism is a law and order problem.” – It gives me a hope that may be there is something we may agree to. For the first time, I am seeing a p-sec response that is not tying poverty or governance or “grief” of a community to terrorists and trying to provide an implicit justification to mass murder. Maoists are terrorists too. Just because they call themselves Maoists does not mean we have to call themselves same.

“By dying for the country … Brigadier Usman … served the country since.” – Brigadier Usman is a single Muslim. Just like Md. Afjal. So giving example of Md. Afjal and suspecting some unknowns from the related community is a symbol of hate. But giving another single example and then proving how the entire community is loyal to the country is “secularism”. I am not surprised. This is the logic p-secular community is used to. The very fact that you have to invoke a martyr from 1948 in search of a name from minority community gives evidence (but you did not mention Kalam, may be he is too Hindu-like and thus not fit for the role of a “secular” idle) of the recent sacrifices the “minority” community made towards India’s integrity. It tells a volume.

“I may … the plurality of things.” – I thought you did not like the right-wingers. So you are a pluralist but your plural world has no place for a right winger. I am not questioning the idea of plurality itself, I am just exploring the fascinating and logically inconsistent world of p-secularist politics.

@Shantanu @AkhandBhaarat

And they are running it as cover story and I remember that they had run this as a cover story once before as well when Hemant Karakare was working on the Malegaon case…