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		<title>By: Arjun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gypsy

 Anger ? See you should dispute the points instead inudulging in ad hominem..Thanks</description>
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<p> Anger ? See you should dispute the points instead inudulging in ad hominem..Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Gypsy</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/11/25/another-day-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-51588</link>
		<dc:creator>Gypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arjun:
Thanks, Arjun, but your aim has gone awry this time! My only regret is, I see more anger than reason in your rejoinder. Shall we shake hands and say good bye?</description>
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Thanks, Arjun, but your aim has gone awry this time! My only regret is, I see more anger than reason in your rejoinder. Shall we shake hands and say good bye?</p>
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		<title>By: Arjun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact is, educated middle class massively voted for BJP not because they were ‘mesmorised’ by the serial Ramayana. It was the party manifesto and the leadership that the BJP provided.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry but I totally disagree because if it didn&#039;t then where was the BJP before the TV series if their manifesto was so attractive.. The Ramayana was a tv phenomenon..Whenever it was aired on Indian TV the whole country came to a standstil.And then you&#039;re telling me it didn&#039;t play no part in bringing the BJP into power when they were using the Ram Janambhoomi as their main issue during that time..Even the actors of the TV serial were brought in to help..The average Hindu doesnt know what the BJP manifesto is just like the average Indian including most of the political class doesnt even know what secularism means I bet !

&quot;So, the convicted murderers and other jailbirds such as Pappu Yadav et al are ‘charismatic’&quot;

This proves you dont understand my previous point..If the BJP want to show the alternative and win a full out majority then it needs people with a good vision for the country that attract the masses .Gandhi was a good example he knew how to market himself very well.

&quot;Mr. Advani for being too old. Have you recently seen him standing like a ramrod, with succinct speech and incisive repartee on the floor of the Lok Sabha? Compare that with the bleating of some of the current Union Ministers. May be you will think again.&quot;

Sorry but that also proves your lack of vision..We&#039;re living in the 21st century and India has the majority of the youngest people in the world and if you cant attract them then you&#039;re never going to get in power and that&#039;s the reality.Advani needs to be in the background while a dynamic, charismatic and younger visionary leader takes over the BJP.

&quot;You have not mentioned what the Hindu vision is and who among the BJP MPs lack that vision; nor even what new agenda the party should have in order for them to win the next elections. If, that is, you want them to win.&quot;

Well I&#039;m not going to go into deeper discussion over this but its simple when people are totally aligned with Dharma then will have the right vision and direction. Hindutva or the Hindu movement is not a political movement as many Hindus may believe but it should be a spiritual/Dharmic movement where politics is just one platform to express that and its no wonder the BJP cant make its mind up what its ideology is because I cant see no spirituality in their party leadership at all.

&quot;From your comment, it appears that you live in the UK. I too have lived in England long enough to understand the mindset of some enlightened and secular Hindus.&quot;

Yep Im UK born but I can assure you that if you&#039;re applying the above statement to me then it doesnt at all apply to me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact is, educated middle class massively voted for BJP not because they were ‘mesmorised’ by the serial Ramayana. It was the party manifesto and the leadership that the BJP provided.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but I totally disagree because if it didn&#8217;t then where was the BJP before the TV series if their manifesto was so attractive.. The Ramayana was a tv phenomenon..Whenever it was aired on Indian TV the whole country came to a standstil.And then you&#8217;re telling me it didn&#8217;t play no part in bringing the BJP into power when they were using the Ram Janambhoomi as their main issue during that time..Even the actors of the TV serial were brought in to help..The average Hindu doesnt know what the BJP manifesto is just like the average Indian including most of the political class doesnt even know what secularism means I bet !</p>
<p>&#8220;So, the convicted murderers and other jailbirds such as Pappu Yadav et al are ‘charismatic’&#8221;</p>
<p>This proves you dont understand my previous point..If the BJP want to show the alternative and win a full out majority then it needs people with a good vision for the country that attract the masses .Gandhi was a good example he knew how to market himself very well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Advani for being too old. Have you recently seen him standing like a ramrod, with succinct speech and incisive repartee on the floor of the Lok Sabha? Compare that with the bleating of some of the current Union Ministers. May be you will think again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry but that also proves your lack of vision..We&#8217;re living in the 21st century and India has the majority of the youngest people in the world and if you cant attract them then you&#8217;re never going to get in power and that&#8217;s the reality.Advani needs to be in the background while a dynamic, charismatic and younger visionary leader takes over the BJP.</p>
<p>&#8220;You have not mentioned what the Hindu vision is and who among the BJP MPs lack that vision; nor even what new agenda the party should have in order for them to win the next elections. If, that is, you want them to win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;m not going to go into deeper discussion over this but its simple when people are totally aligned with Dharma then will have the right vision and direction. Hindutva or the Hindu movement is not a political movement as many Hindus may believe but it should be a spiritual/Dharmic movement where politics is just one platform to express that and its no wonder the BJP cant make its mind up what its ideology is because I cant see no spirituality in their party leadership at all.</p>
<p>&#8220;From your comment, it appears that you live in the UK. I too have lived in England long enough to understand the mindset of some enlightened and secular Hindus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep Im UK born but I can assure you that if you&#8217;re applying the above statement to me then it doesnt at all apply to me..</p>
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		<title>By: Gypsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Arjun:

I presumed too much. Let me elaborate.

It explained to me that a person, who ‘does not even live in India’ can make statements such as some made by you. For instance, you wrote that BJP was elected because of the serial Ramayana,  “which the whole country was ‘mesmorised’ (sic)..” etc.  and Ram Janmabhoomi issue.  The fact is, educated middle class massively voted for BJP not because they were ‘mesmorised’ by the serial Ramayana. It was the party manifesto and the leadership that the BJP provided. By the way, about a couple of years before BJP won elections in India, Mr. L K Advani was in England and had addressed a meeting in the Brent Town Hall, Wembley. I was fortunate enough to attend that meeting. He spoke about what his party stood for, its manifesto and policies. It was the party agenda that eventually led BJP to form the government.

For the same reason (not living in India) you said, “The average &#039;India voter&#039; (sic) is struggling to make ends meet so its only natural they would vote in the same people like the saying goes its better the devil (congress)...” etc. This is an oxymoron because it is the same Indian voter who had elected the BJP previously. Even now, there are poorer states (Chattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh) as well as highly educated states such as Gujarat, Karnataka where the ‘average India voter’ elected BJP. “Mesmorisation” of Ramayan is not there any more, nor is the Rama Janmabhoomi issue in those states.

You made an interesting statement: “It (did you mean BJP?) also needs leaders who look the part and very charismatic to lead the party and not some overaged or overweight frustrated ill looking leaders who also lack the Hindu Vision..”. So, the convicted murderers and other jailbirds such as Pappu Yadav et al are ‘charismatic’ and ‘look their part’ as MPs! Or is it because the party in power begged these criminals to go (with special permission from the court) and vote for them in the Confidence Vote?  As for ‘overweight frustrated ill looking”, who are you referring to from the opposition benches? In your comment you have criticised Mr. Advani for being too old. Have you recently seen him standing like a ramrod, with succinct speech and incisive repartee on the floor of the Lok Sabha? Compare that with the bleating of some of the current Union Ministers. May be you will think again.

You have not mentioned what the Hindu vision is and who among the BJP MPs lack that vision; nor even what new agenda the party should have in order for them to win the next elections. If, that is, you want them to win.

I could go on, but it will be a waste. 

From your comment, it appears that you live in the UK. I too have lived in England long enough to understand the mindset of some enlightened and secular Hindus. That was the reason why I wrote, “That explains everything.”  

I admire your efforts in raising seven ‘thousands’ pounds. It is truly commendable. As a veteran Indian soldier, I salute you for that, Sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Arjun:</p>
<p>I presumed too much. Let me elaborate.</p>
<p>It explained to me that a person, who ‘does not even live in India’ can make statements such as some made by you. For instance, you wrote that BJP was elected because of the serial Ramayana,  “which the whole country was ‘mesmorised’ (sic)..” etc.  and Ram Janmabhoomi issue.  The fact is, educated middle class massively voted for BJP not because they were ‘mesmorised’ by the serial Ramayana. It was the party manifesto and the leadership that the BJP provided. By the way, about a couple of years before BJP won elections in India, Mr. L K Advani was in England and had addressed a meeting in the Brent Town Hall, Wembley. I was fortunate enough to attend that meeting. He spoke about what his party stood for, its manifesto and policies. It was the party agenda that eventually led BJP to form the government.</p>
<p>For the same reason (not living in India) you said, “The average &#8216;India voter&#8217; (sic) is struggling to make ends meet so its only natural they would vote in the same people like the saying goes its better the devil (congress)&#8230;” etc. This is an oxymoron because it is the same Indian voter who had elected the BJP previously. Even now, there are poorer states (Chattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh) as well as highly educated states such as Gujarat, Karnataka where the ‘average India voter’ elected BJP. “Mesmorisation” of Ramayan is not there any more, nor is the Rama Janmabhoomi issue in those states.</p>
<p>You made an interesting statement: “It (did you mean BJP?) also needs leaders who look the part and very charismatic to lead the party and not some overaged or overweight frustrated ill looking leaders who also lack the Hindu Vision..”. So, the convicted murderers and other jailbirds such as Pappu Yadav et al are ‘charismatic’ and ‘look their part’ as MPs! Or is it because the party in power begged these criminals to go (with special permission from the court) and vote for them in the Confidence Vote?  As for ‘overweight frustrated ill looking”, who are you referring to from the opposition benches? In your comment you have criticised Mr. Advani for being too old. Have you recently seen him standing like a ramrod, with succinct speech and incisive repartee on the floor of the Lok Sabha? Compare that with the bleating of some of the current Union Ministers. May be you will think again.</p>
<p>You have not mentioned what the Hindu vision is and who among the BJP MPs lack that vision; nor even what new agenda the party should have in order for them to win the next elections. If, that is, you want them to win.</p>
<p>I could go on, but it will be a waste. </p>
<p>From your comment, it appears that you live in the UK. I too have lived in England long enough to understand the mindset of some enlightened and secular Hindus. That was the reason why I wrote, “That explains everything.”  </p>
<p>I admire your efforts in raising seven ‘thousands’ pounds. It is truly commendable. As a veteran Indian soldier, I salute you for that, Sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjun</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/11/25/another-day-of-infamy/comment-page-1/#comment-51389</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That explains everything.&quot;

 Explains what ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That explains everything.&#8221;</p>
<p> Explains what ?</p>
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