Comments on: Chhatrapati Shivaji, Afzal Khan and a mini riot – UPDATED

By: B Shantanu

B Shantanu — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:59:09 +0000

This might explain the "silence" of MSM on this issue.

By: B Shantanu

B Shantanu — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:25:04 +0000

Sandeep: Thanks…Vikram posted the news as well…

Pl read this article

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Kaffir: Thanks for the excerpt

By: Kaffir

Kaffir — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:12:32 +0000

Here’s an excerpt from “Eminent Historians” by Arun Shourie:
(page 200)

From personal knowledge born of his extensive travels in areas where Muslims are congregated and from his intimate acquaintance with them, in his Indian Muslims, Need for a Positive Outlook, Maulana Wahiduddin states that as a community, Muslims are much better off today than they were, say at the time of Partition. He gives telling instances in support of this fact. But, he says, to acknowledge the fact in public is regarded among Muslims as betrayal of the community.

FWIW.

By: संदीप नारायण शेळके

संदीप नारायण शेळके — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:00:23 +0000

@Kaffir Re:
Very well said. I truely agree with you.
I’ve a experience share here about the whole idea. I’ve one of my friends from Muslim community (out of many muslim friends).
He always says that the Islam is the greatest religion because it is the scientific way of living. He gives example of “No Tax” system in Islamic nations, but he is not able to justify the move.

On contrary among discussion there are always more than 3-4 non-muslims(Hindu) but non of us put ahead the thoughts of Hinduism or any other religion.

But he openly markets his religion.

What do we call this again the sense of marginalization for muslims among every citizen?

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By: Kaffir

Kaffir — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:11:06 +0000

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Muslims are the most marginalized segment of Indian socierty (sic) and there are leaders – both Muslims and non Muslims – who exploit this fact at the expense of men on street.
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Abhay, assuming that is so, then whose responsibility is it? Should Muslims be totally exonerated from this marginalization when their religion tells them to not associate with non-Muslims? You’ll find many Indian non-Muslims commenting and discussing issues on Indian Muslim blogs, but the reverse is not that true.

Can we also excuse the “liberals/progressives” who, while asking for positive changes and reform among non-Muslim communities, go out of their way to prevent the same reform from happening amongst Muslim communities (women’s rights is an obvious example)? Doesn’t it show a communal bent of mind, and a tendency to marginalize Muslims and not considering them as Indians first? Statements from leaders like Modi and Varun Gandhi make the progressives’ knees jerk in unison, and the media go into hyperdrive with their criticism, but there’s silence when similar communal statements are made by Indian Muslim leaders, like Bukhari, or Tasleema is attacked by goons led by Owaisi. Such double standards do nothing to decrease the marginalization you speak of.

Frankly speaking, I do not see any change in this “marginalization” unless and until certain elements in Islamic ideology are reformed. Why do we not see such marginalization of other non-Muslim minority communities in India or elsewhere?