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A glimpse into “Church-planting” in AP

20 August 2009 690 views 22 Comments

Thanks to Sanjay for alerting me to this surprising table (below) from “The Danger of Hindu Christian Riots in Andhra Pradesh” by Dr T H Chowdary.

A brief excerpt:

The weeks-long Hindu Christian riots in Kandhamal District of Orissa and similar incidents in Karnataka are not unlikely to be repeated in Andhra Pradesh very soon….(but) In Andhra Pradesh, strife is building up and will burst with great fury in not too distant a time. In Village after Village, different denominations of Christians are planting churches, recruiting converts as pastors, paying them handsomely, they are also engaging thousands of unemployed Hindu youth for propagating Christianity and gaining converts. These are being rewarded in installments.

A look at the Table below shows…there is one place of worship for seven Christians and one place of worship for 39 Muslims and one place of worship for 341 Hindus.

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…Where from is the money coming for the large number of Christians’ places of worship, if the Christian population is only 1.44%? …

…Almost all Hindus are feeling tremendously agitated about the intense activities of the multinational conversion enterprises, their planting of churches in Villages. Families are getting divided, so are Village populations and so will be the entire polity in the state.

…In Andhra Pradesh especially in districts of the Godavari, we are sitting on a time-bomb of Hindu-Christian strife. To prevent this, intelligentsia in the State and newspapers and media men with integrity must bring out the facts, including the conflict between 1.44% Christian population according to government on the one hand and thousands of churches and claims of Christian leaders that their population is 10% and more. Government should also find out where from the money is coming for thousands of full timers and buildings for churches. Income Tax authorities must also swing into action to assess the total cost of all the churches that are built and find out from the church owners, the sources of their funds…

End of excerpt.

Read the full story here.

Related Posts:

On Kandhamal, Conversions and Proselytization

Why are Christian Missionaries targeting India – III

This whole category of posts: Conversions, Missionaries in India

Testing the limits of minority appeasement (Excerpts from another post by Dr T H Chowdary)

22 Comments »

  • 1. AG said:

    Go YSamuel go!!
    convert them pagans and heathens to the true fold.

    Amidst all this, the so-called pro-hindu party is self destructing in their ‘chintajanak’ baithak. Most distressing.

    If we collectively cannot guard our culture, we deserve to be ‘harvested’ and ‘saved’

  • 2. amar said:

    This is fueled from the top by Samuel Reddy. His Son In Law runs one of the biggest evangelical networks in the country.

    This was apparent in recent elections when Cheeranjivi also had Teresa (of Calcutta)’s mother as one of his admiration. It was mostly wink-wink to the christian converts.

    The money from the external sources is not all the problem. It is only a part of the problem. TTD (Tirumala Tirupathi) funds are being channeled and the temple lands are being channeled for this purpose.

  • 3. Kaffir said:

    =>
    If we collectively cannot guard our culture, we deserve to be ‘harvested’ and ’saved’
    =>

    AG, why such negativity and pessimism? I think it a positive that people have access to this information and can organize. By the way, putting all the eggs in one basket of BJP (or any other political party) is not a wise option by any means. Hindus can organize and there’s a lot of scope to do things without being dependent a political party.

  • 4. Kaffir said:

    =>
    Amidst all this, the so-called pro-hindu party is self destructing in their ‘chintajanak’ baithak. Most distressing.
    =>

    Samudra manthan was not easy either, and it produced both Amrit and Halahal as the end result. Let the BJP go through its manthan too – maybe something positive will appear as the end result.

  • 5. Kaffir said:

    Nit-picky self-correction: Halahal appeared during the churning, and not at the end. :)

  • 6. Khandu Patel said:

    There is a must book which documents the history of the Christian evangilising which I came across in my search “christianity in andra pradesh”. It is informative to any discussion on the subject.

  • 7. vivekam.vairagyam said:

    SWADHARMA ALONE CAN SAVE US ……….

    I see nothing wrong with all this church planting and islamisation … those guys are doing wht they are supposed to do … the question is why are they succeeding?

    the reason is that hindu groups dont provide gainful employment and meaningful engagement with members of their fold …. so dont blame the poor guy for doing whtever will put food in his and his family’s mouth …

    and dont blame the xtians and islamists coz they are doing wht they believe in , it is not their job to believe or respect hindus …..

    show me which one of our sacred and major shankaracharyas or swamijis continuously lives and works in slums or with tribals ? these fellas can hardly stay away from their a/c s and special planes … the present crop of swamijis is a far cry from the kanchi paramacharya , ramana maharishi . ramakrishna and the like … there is no point in blaming them either … coz the society begets the acharya/govt it deserves … the infighting and ego among all these so-called swaaaaaamiii ‘s is another monumental aspect perfectly capable of dwarfing a thousand mt.everest s..

    how many of these so-called santana dharma “afflicted”
    (SDA) bloggers do sandhya vandhanam thrice a day , chant vedas and the bhagavath gita and spend atleast one hour day in true spiritual inquiry and actively participate in volunteer work and engage those coming to their blogs in such thots and activities ?.. i dont see any output on those lines … they will be more effective if they can popularise models of wht should be done , by personal example …

    that aspect being sorely lacked , all this simply makes the
    the “sanatana dharma afflicted”(SDA) bloggers just another crop of hypocritical bigots that are merely using gullible , impressionable minds to further their own political and personal ends ..

    FOR EG , EVEN THIS BLOG is so quick in being critical , unambiguous and stinging when it comes to taking on xtists,commie,islamists,upa and all … but ask the blog why there is no discussion here about arun shourie’s scathing 4part series on the bjp(more than a month old ) or his sidelining by the party or the unfair ouster of jaswant singh … all u get in reply is that > ya it is coming and > wht is there to say and >looks like it is the end for the bjp(the party this and other such blogs backed so much during the elections JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO)

    .. there is no word on the useless leadership of the bjp (the only hindu party)wreaking havoc on the entire hindu society from its chintan baithak …

    but there is no dearth of throwing stones at xtists ,commie, islamists, upa … classic case of people living in glass houses throwing stones … ya right … keep whining and cribbing about them , the santana dharma and bharat will “automaGically” become rejuvenated and restored to old glory ….!

    how different are these SDA blogs from the christian and muslim dominated media in the country? those guys constantly denigrate the sanatana dharma ! u guys constantly keep thowing stones and ur cribbings at them ! they dont criticise xtists, islamists and the lot … neither do u take on the sclerosis that has set into the hindu society and the bip and its ilk ? how different are u guys from those media fellas?

    WE NEED TO FIRST CLEAN UP OUR HOUSE , live by example and attend to the needs of the poor and needy among us … educate them , provide gainful employment and educate them on the evils of such jingoistic monotheism and then we will see the results that will benefit society at large …

    THERE IS NO POINT IN DITCHING THE BJP , LOOKING THE OTHERWAY , TREATING WITH KID-GLOVES OR NOT PROMPTLY RESPONDING TO THE CRAP GOING ON THERE AND DEFINITELY NO USE HOPING FOR ANOTHER HINDU PARTY …WHT IS THE GUARANTEE THIS ONE WILL NOT GO THE SAME WAY ?

    … WE NEED TO BRING IN MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THE RSS, BJP , VHP AND ALL THEIR COTERIE IN LINE WITH NEEDS OF THE HINDU SOCIETY .. ALL THIS SHOUTING ABOUT THOSE OTHER GUYS CAN WAIT TILL THEN ,,,,!

  • 8. AG said:

    Kaffir:

    I agree with the need to be more positive.
    But living in india, seeing the not-so-peaceful rise of semitism and the very peaceful ‘going into the good night’ of hindu dharma in the land of its birth does not encourage.

    The total disappearance of the post 26/11 outrage, the total carte blanche given by the people to the kkkongress to run and ruin the nation does not encourage.

    Resignation is the best i can muster.
    Expecting amrit from the chintan baithak is supremely delusional; the victory of hope over reality.

    Alas, its true.

  • 9. Indian said:

    Oh ya! they work in slum! they can go up to any extent for planting their faith. “wolf in a sheep attire” isn’t it?. Its a fool’s paradise. For giving services to mankind one need not engage into converting people. Let them be in their faith and help them. Is it so hard for them to give services without converting people?. Yes it is! and that is their aim and purpose, convert all.

  • 10. B Shantanu (author) said:

    Partial Comment moved here

    @ Vivekam: Re. first cleaning up our own house, please read: “The Challenge Before Modern Day Hinduism” – Dr Ajai Singh

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    @ AG, Amar, Kaffir, Indian: Thanks for the comments…

    ***

    @ Khandu: I will have a look at the link. Thanks.

  • 11. Satyabhashnam said:

    Very nice post. For more information on Andhra CM Samuel Reddy’s Christian Tours & Travels to the mythical holyland paid for by “hell-bound” “need to be saved” Hindus & their Temple Daan (crude translation: Donations), please read this.

  • 12. vivekam.vairagyam said:

    PREACHING TO CHRISTIANS………

    This is a gr8 example of how to “engage” christians …

    https://www.iskconhouston.org/articles/2009/may/Preaching%20to%20Christians.html

    it is sad that the various hindu groups of india have not sat with iskcon to evolve a joint strategy to “engage” the semitics …. that is the only way forward … there is a lot for them to learn from the global experience of iskcon with regards to “engaging” semitic faiths …. but these hindu groups have to swallow their egos and outward differences to sit together and do that … that aint easy and definitely not something they are familiar with either ….!

  • 13. B Shantanu (author) said:

    Some links and excerpts from an email from Sanjay:

    Incredible story

    Son-in-law also rises under YSR tutelage
    26 Nov 2008, 0227 hrs IST, SUSHIL RAO, TNN (Times News Network)

    YSR’s evangelist son-in-law Anil Kumar’s exploits. He runs a mission Anil World Evangelism (www.aweministries.org) – Church Planting and Fishing for Men are among the key agenda items.

    vii) YSR in inimitable Indian secular fashion has created a government budget of Rs 2 crore in 2008 for Christians to visit Jerusalem!

    viii) http://suryassk.googlepages.com/AP_GOs.htm The following is the summary of the data from that sheet:

    1. The GO portal is active only from February 2008, hence the data given is only of 1 year (ie., Feb 2008 to Jan 2009). Note that although vast, it is by no means comprehensive (ie., I have shown Govt 263.07 lakhs to Christian institutions. This amount is the minimum spent on them, not the maximum).

    2. But even for a single year, an amount of 263.07 lakhs was given as aid to various Christian institutions.

    3. More than 258 churches benefited from these grants for construction/renovation of churches.

    4. An amount of 1316.54 lakhs was given as aid to various Muslim institutions through Wakf boards.

    5. Not a single GO granting any aid to a Hindu temple can be found. This in spite of the fact that in AP, the Hindu temples are managed by the Endowments Ministry (put it simply they take all the money which the temples generate).

    6. Govt takes away all the money which Hindu temples generate, but do not grant a single penny to any of its temples. It does not touch the money from Christian and Muslim institutions, but grants them huge amounts of money.

    ix) B Karunakara Reddy YSR’s cousin (Christian) was appointed Chairman of TTDJ in 2006!!

  • 14. vivekam.vairagyam said:

    @#13 and this thread in general …..

    this is old news … oft repeated when talking abt ysr et al and u may even add further trouble to tirupati temple …

    wht is the point of all this whining?

    wht prevented the bjp/arun shourie/jaswant singh/rss/vhp/friendsofbjp/hindu nationalists/all the swamijis/nationalist bloggers from going to court to stop all such unlawful activities?

    while it makes for reason to take a monitor at these things … there is no point jus repeating the same cribbing stuff time and again ….even the monitoring loses sense in the absence of attempts to solve the problem .. the least that can be done is atleast discuss and popularise ppl who r being part of the solution …

    one such eg is my post @ #12

  • 15. B Shantanu (author) said:

    wht is the point of all this whining?

    I keep adding such links and news-reports to keep a record.
    This will (may) come in handy when one is making a case.

    As for going to the courts, a) I am not sure that the government giving grants is “illegal” (may not be appropriate – but that is another matter) and b) I don’t think that will solve anyting…

    The only way to tackle such matters is by getting into government…which means we must a) try and stregthen the hands of everyone who is maing an attempt to cleanse the system and b) keep up the task of raising public awareness on these issues…

    You may be suprised but there is a huge (and I mean “huge”) amount of ignorance around these matters.

  • 16. gajanan said:

    Naidu on Aug 29th 2009 and the rest is history.

    Read also this article from VijavVaani

  • 17. Indian said:

    Shantanu, is correct, “huge ignorance around this matter’.
    More we expose them more they will come to their senses, and they will sooner or later.

    Jai Hind!

  • 18. Hemant said:

    This is 2005 data…will be interesting to see the current ‘count’ as Samuel and Co.had 4 more years since then!

  • 19. B Shantanu (author) said:

    will be interesting to see the current ‘count’

    Indeed Hemant.

  • 20. B Shantanu (author) said:

    A first-hand account from southern India. Excerpts The Conversion To Intolerance by Raju Peddada

    [Author's note: What I write here is controversial, perhaps even inflammatory, but unequivocally true. The daily incidents unfolding in south India, at the missionaries and churches had been verified thoroughly during my trip last year, in direct contact with the victims, re-converts, village and panchayat officers. More than anything, what
    really prodded me to address this chilling milieu is a simple fact, I also, in my liberal and open mindedness have been the unfortunate and involuntary beneficiary of religious intolerance, especially the subversive conversion machinations through my two marriages and a relationship. It is eerily corroborative with the incidents presented here.]

    July 27, 2009) Despite the decades that slipped by, I distinctly remember the smells and sounds of the remote south Indian villages. In the innocent years dissolved, you could hear mothers calling out to their kids to come home for supper at sunset. Sunsets demarcated life from slumber. Standing on the high verandahs you could hear the thunderous stampede of returning cattle from grazing, and smell and see the distant clouds of billowing dust permeated with the golden rays of the descending sun.

    After a hot supper on the verandah, under the fading light, folding cots or reed mats were set up for the nights under the twinkling eternity and soothing convers! ation of leaves and the wind. It was peaceful and ethereal, almost therapeutic for the tired souls and revelatory for the young ones…All is lost now, assailed by the din of fervent missionaries.

    Catapult over the decades and into our trip last year, these same villages, we enjoyed in the decades prior, have become battle zones for conversion, Christian missionaries converting the guileless Hindus right under the Hindu noses. The proselytizers have built huge incongruent whitewashed churches, that scream for attention, in every emerald village spewing out disquieting sermons in local dialects drowning the golden sunsets in their flood lights, obscuring and obfuscating the melodious soul soothing conversation of leaves and wind at bed time, and basically obliterating the natural rhythms of life with loud, presumptuous and boisterous religiosity polluting the very essence of
    Hindu culture…an existence in silent reverence and in sync with nature.
    Whether it is Annadaverapeta, Ragolapalli, Tallapudi or Velangi, all familiar comfort zones for us in the past have been reduced into circuses at night with large food lit assembles and amplified singing forced on the sleeping all night long. In the land of tolerance, intolerance is taking root with devastating results. Secularism, pluralism, diversity, and tolerance are being rapidly, insidiously, deviously and inexorably being supplanted with menacing dispassionate
    monolithic intolerance.

    The hair on my neck bristled up when I heard this one from a direct victim called in by my cousin, who happened to be a village officer for two villages. Mr. V. Rao had been hearing stories about the assemblies of “Miraculous Christian Healings” regularly. Believing that all are welcome, he took a close friend with a chronic illness that the local doctor could not diagnose, to one of these Christian healings. Once they arrived there, they were barred from entry into the church, the reason being that he and his friend were not Christians. That same evening a re-convert, who had reverted back to Hinduism, who knew these gentlemen and saw them being turned away, pulled these dejected friends aside into a tea shop, sat both of them down and told them his story.

    The re-convert elaborated how he was called to the church one day and was instructed to act sick, and then pretend to be healed of the sickness once the priest chanted Christ’s name and touched the sick man’s head in front of 15 to 20 thousand naive converts. The clergy, after every healing, reiterated to these converts to desist from eating Hindu food, listening to them or visiting with them; and that their family now was the other members of the congregation.

    The unfortunate who succumb to these exclusion dogmas are the innocent, illiterate and economically disadvantaged that are being systematically exploited into selling their own identity for temporary financial gains.

    Hindus are being subjected to various types of desecrating reductionism in their own country, with no consequences for this subversion. The stress experienced by the new converts is quite excruciating, the abandonment and the alienation from loved ones, who have not given into these diabolical machinations of the proselytizers. The newly converted are ordered to assemble in the churches and are disallowed to mingle and commiserate with old relatives.

    Here is a verified incident that illustrates their creed. This subversion has reached the sewer level with the proselytizers. This was a story that enraged every tolerant and decent pore on me. A school bus full of Hindu kids aged 6-9 are taken on field trip into the thick rain forest. The bus apparently stalls in a deep and dense part of the forest
    with the sun already behind the forest canopy. The Christian chaperone and bus driver from the school inform the kids that “we are stuck here” and tell the kids to pray for help. They challenge all the Hindu kids to pray to their gods and wait to see if their god saves them from this ordeal. An hour later in the deafening darkness of the forest, with strange animal noises getting louder, almost half of the children start crying and urinating in their clothes. Then, these two men again board the bus, and chide the kids for believing all these Hindu gods who cannot save them: “see the gods you pray to, are really powerless.”

    After setting the stage with fear, they tell the kids that the only one who can save them is Christ. After this little scrubbing they say: “now let us pray to Jesus and see if he helps us…Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name…” Voila, the bus starts up to the bewildered faces of the innocent kids, and the trip home is easy. What do you think takes place at home between the kids and parents? If this is not Child abuse, abuse of trust and the epitome of subversion, I don’t know what it is?

    The Christians have been consistently getting their butts whipped in the Middle East and other regions competing for
    membership and conversions. They have not been allowed to pursue their activities in Muslim dominated regions, as Muslims are fanatically dedicated to their faith and are violently protective against any encroaching faith. So, the Christians seek a less combative territory: the Indian subcontinent, where the majority of Hindus are not suspicious, rather welcoming, pliant and very tolerant. The Indian subcontinent has become a war zone not between Hindus and others; it is a war zone for Christians and Muslims…competing for conversion and membership.

    Every man-made religion has skeletons in its proverbial closet. I am not an atheist, nor a fanatic. However, in my last trip I saw the signs everywhere in south India and for the most part could not avoid this explosive topic with my relatives and friends. We were actually joined in by western Christian tourists on the Katpadi train platform in Tamil
    Nadu as well as in Agra, who were appalled and agreed with immense chagrin and embarrassment at the Christian missionary rampage in open desecration of an ancient culture.

    Professor David Shulman of Humanistic Studies in the Department of Comparative Religion at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem on a bus journey in southern India puts it this way: “A Christian boy, ‘Ben Zwi,’ no less, attaches himself to me and, glued for hours to the seat across from me, speaks of truth, a single truth, which must, I can clearly see,
    by virtue of this claim alone, be untrue.”

    I am not a flailing fanatic being martyred everyday by the infidels, nor am I a total atheist. I think religion is divisive, discursive, disruptive, devious and destructive. That is why atheism is on the rise with the erudite peoples. Poor, ignorant and illiterate ones always become the fodder for such faiths.

    I am an ardent history buff, the love of ancient civilizations, romantic immersion in the cultures of antiquity, and ruins always evoked melancholic longing in me, as if the need to migrate into the past was a requisite for all history magnets. I always looked at the Qutb Minar, the Taj Mahal and the massive Red Fort of New Delhi as ethereal
    monuments of beauty and humanity.

    But after 9/11 my perspective was altered; these very monuments that awed me since my boyhood now stood in front of me as the repository of barbaric cruelty and forced labor in the blood of “infidel” slaves that were dragged in to construct these grand monuments for Muslims. Instead of marveling the magnificence of the monuments and the history that took shape, I became dazed in the visions of lost freedoms and cruelty the people were made to swallow for not being Muslims.

    Similarly when I look at those magnificent churches built on the shoulders of apostates, non-believers, and slaves, all the grandiose visions of Christian history washes off in regret and disdain. History can be romanticized from a distance till it touches and grates you personally. Imagine what a Jew would say in Judea in 150AD if asked about the “great” Roman Empire. What would the Irish Catholics express if asked about the prosperous Elizabethan times?

    …I am not interested in the final Judgment or the judgment day, I am interested in acknowledgement; the universal acknowledgement of natural diversity, multifarious paths to the one truth, and sanctity of identity and life.

    Legend occasionally germinates around a grain of fact, and myth mostly serves a continuing need; faith then shores man up against adversity. If faiths are forced and changed, identities dissolve, and with that, all myths and legends that coddle humanity in comfort of the familiar are destroyed, leaving rootless pilgrims in search for the lost
    familiarity and self.

    “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” -1 Samuel 15:3

    This is from the Bible, which sounds like some merciless gangster two thousand years ago, and here is Sri Ramakrishna from the 19th century whose reasoning renders the heavily sold faiths like immature kids fighting over a toy, which is
    actually you: This metaphysical and spiritual sage says:

    “There is large round lake with three distinct flights of stairs leading to the water. The Hindus draw water from the lake and call it ‘Jal,’ the Muslims draw and carry their water from a different point on the lake in leather bags and call it ‘Pani’ and the Christians get their water from another end of the same lake in a Chalice and call it ‘water.’ Everyone wants the same substance, but give it different names…only the climate, temperament, and names create these differences. Why not let each man follow his own path?

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