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		<title>By: Sridhar</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/12/05/nonsense-about-non-state-actors/comment-page-1/#comment-19942</link>
		<dc:creator>Sridhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excerpts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/22mumterror-why-the-cia-does-not-want-dawood-in-indian-hands.htm &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why the CIA does not want Dawood in Indian hands
&lt;/a&gt; by Jeremy R Hammond
&lt;blockquote&gt;The role Dawood Ibrahim, the underworld kingpin who heads the D-Company and has known ties to Pakistan&#039;s Inter-Services Intelligence and even the Central Intelligence Agency, is apparently being whitewashed. His capture and handover to India might prove inconvenient for either the ISI or the CIA, or both. 

It was Ibrahim who was initially characterised by press reports as being the mastermind behind the attacks. Now, that title is being given to Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi 

...At the same time Ibrahim&#039;s role is being downplayed, Lakhvi&#039;s known role is being exaggerated. Initial reports described him as the training specialist for LeT, but the major media outlets like the New York Times and the London Times, citing government sources, have since promoted his status to that of commander of operations for the group.

The only terrorist from the Mumbai attacks to be captured alive, Ajmal Amir Kasab, characterised Ibrahim, not Lakhvi, as the mastermind of those attacks, according to earlier press accounts.

...Kasab told his interrogators that his team had set out from Karachi, Pakistan, on a ship belonging to Dawood Ibrahim, the MV Alpha. They then hijacked an Indian fishing trawler, the Kuber, to pass through Indian territorial waters to elude the Navy and Coast Guard that were boarding and searching suspect ships. 

...Upon arriving off the coast near the city, they were received by inflatable rubber dinghies that had been arranged by an associate of Ibrahim&#039;s in Mumbai.

The planning and execution of the attacks are indicative of the mastermind role not of either Lakhvi or Muzammil, but of Ibrahim, an Indian who is intimately familiar with the city. It was in Mumbai that Ibrahim rose through the ranks of the underworld to become a major organised crime boss.

...A known drug trafficker, Dawood Ibrahim is naturally also involved in money laundering, which is perhaps where the role of gambling operations in Nepal comes into the picture.

Yoichi Shimatsu, former editor of the Japan Times, wrote last month after the Mumbai attacks that Ibrahim had worked with the US to help finance the mujahedeen during the 1980s and that because he knows too much about the US&#039;s &#039;darker secrets&#039; in the region, he could never be allowed to be turned over to India.

The recent promotion of Lakhvi to &#039;mastermind&#039; of the attacks while Ibrahim&#039;s name disappears from media reports would seem to lend credence to Shimatsu&#039;s assertion.

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen similarly reported that according to intelligence sources, Ibrahim is a CIA asset, both as a veteran of the mujahedeen war and in a continuing connection with his casino and drug trade operations in Kathmandu, Nepal. A deal had been made earlier this year to have Pakistan hand Ibrahim over to India, but the CIA was fearful that this would lead to too many of its dirty secrets coming to light, including the criminal activities of high level personnel within the agency.

One theory on the Mumbai attacks is that it was backlash for this double-cross that was among other things intended to serve as a warning that any such arrangement could have further serious consequences.

...The Pakistan government has also publicly denied that Ibrahim is even in the country; a denial that was repeated following the recent Mumbai attacks.

While the purported US document names Gul and others as terrorist supporters, another report, from Indian intelligence, indicates that the terrorists who carried out the attacks in Mumbai were among 500 trained by instructors from the Pakistan military, according to The Times. This training of the 10 known Mumbai terrorists would have taken place prior to their recent preparation for these specific attacks by the LeT training specialist Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi.

But while Lakhvi, Muzammil, and Hafiz Saeed have continued to be named in connection with last month&#039;s attacks in Mumbai, the name of Dawood Ibrahim seems to be either disappearing altogether or his originally designated role as the accused mastermind of the attacks being credited now instead to Lakhvi in media accounts.

Whether this is a deliberate effort to downplay Ibrahim&#039;s role in the attacks so as not to have to force Pakistan to turn him over because of embarrassing revelations pertaining to the CIA&#039;s involvement with known terrorists and drug traffickers that development could possibly produce isn&#039;t certain.

But what is certain is that the CIA has had a long history of involvement with such characters and that the US has a track record of attempting to keep information about the nature of such involvement in the dark or to cover it up once it reaches the light of public scrutiny.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Jeremy R Hammond is the editor of Foreign Policy Journal. Reproduced with kind courtesy of Foreign Policy Journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpts from <a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/22mumterror-why-the-cia-does-not-want-dawood-in-indian-hands.htm " rel="nofollow">Why the CIA does not want Dawood in Indian hands<br />
</a> by Jeremy R Hammond</p>
<blockquote><p>The role Dawood Ibrahim, the underworld kingpin who heads the D-Company and has known ties to Pakistan&#8217;s Inter-Services Intelligence and even the Central Intelligence Agency, is apparently being whitewashed. His capture and handover to India might prove inconvenient for either the ISI or the CIA, or both. </p>
<p>It was Ibrahim who was initially characterised by press reports as being the mastermind behind the attacks. Now, that title is being given to Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi </p>
<p>&#8230;At the same time Ibrahim&#8217;s role is being downplayed, Lakhvi&#8217;s known role is being exaggerated. Initial reports described him as the training specialist for LeT, but the major media outlets like the New York Times and the London Times, citing government sources, have since promoted his status to that of commander of operations for the group.</p>
<p>The only terrorist from the Mumbai attacks to be captured alive, Ajmal Amir Kasab, characterised Ibrahim, not Lakhvi, as the mastermind of those attacks, according to earlier press accounts.</p>
<p>&#8230;Kasab told his interrogators that his team had set out from Karachi, Pakistan, on a ship belonging to Dawood Ibrahim, the MV Alpha. They then hijacked an Indian fishing trawler, the Kuber, to pass through Indian territorial waters to elude the Navy and Coast Guard that were boarding and searching suspect ships. </p>
<p>&#8230;Upon arriving off the coast near the city, they were received by inflatable rubber dinghies that had been arranged by an associate of Ibrahim&#8217;s in Mumbai.</p>
<p>The planning and execution of the attacks are indicative of the mastermind role not of either Lakhvi or Muzammil, but of Ibrahim, an Indian who is intimately familiar with the city. It was in Mumbai that Ibrahim rose through the ranks of the underworld to become a major organised crime boss.</p>
<p>&#8230;A known drug trafficker, Dawood Ibrahim is naturally also involved in money laundering, which is perhaps where the role of gambling operations in Nepal comes into the picture.</p>
<p>Yoichi Shimatsu, former editor of the Japan Times, wrote last month after the Mumbai attacks that Ibrahim had worked with the US to help finance the mujahedeen during the 1980s and that because he knows too much about the US&#8217;s &#8216;darker secrets&#8217; in the region, he could never be allowed to be turned over to India.</p>
<p>The recent promotion of Lakhvi to &#8216;mastermind&#8217; of the attacks while Ibrahim&#8217;s name disappears from media reports would seem to lend credence to Shimatsu&#8217;s assertion.</p>
<p>Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen similarly reported that according to intelligence sources, Ibrahim is a CIA asset, both as a veteran of the mujahedeen war and in a continuing connection with his casino and drug trade operations in Kathmandu, Nepal. A deal had been made earlier this year to have Pakistan hand Ibrahim over to India, but the CIA was fearful that this would lead to too many of its dirty secrets coming to light, including the criminal activities of high level personnel within the agency.</p>
<p>One theory on the Mumbai attacks is that it was backlash for this double-cross that was among other things intended to serve as a warning that any such arrangement could have further serious consequences.</p>
<p>&#8230;The Pakistan government has also publicly denied that Ibrahim is even in the country; a denial that was repeated following the recent Mumbai attacks.</p>
<p>While the purported US document names Gul and others as terrorist supporters, another report, from Indian intelligence, indicates that the terrorists who carried out the attacks in Mumbai were among 500 trained by instructors from the Pakistan military, according to The Times. This training of the 10 known Mumbai terrorists would have taken place prior to their recent preparation for these specific attacks by the LeT training specialist Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi.</p>
<p>But while Lakhvi, Muzammil, and Hafiz Saeed have continued to be named in connection with last month&#8217;s attacks in Mumbai, the name of Dawood Ibrahim seems to be either disappearing altogether or his originally designated role as the accused mastermind of the attacks being credited now instead to Lakhvi in media accounts.</p>
<p>Whether this is a deliberate effort to downplay Ibrahim&#8217;s role in the attacks so as not to have to force Pakistan to turn him over because of embarrassing revelations pertaining to the CIA&#8217;s involvement with known terrorists and drug traffickers that development could possibly produce isn&#8217;t certain.</p>
<p>But what is certain is that the CIA has had a long history of involvement with such characters and that the US has a track record of attempting to keep information about the nature of such involvement in the dark or to cover it up once it reaches the light of public scrutiny.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jeremy R Hammond is the editor of Foreign Policy Journal. Reproduced with kind courtesy of Foreign Policy Journal.</p>
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		<title>By: Indian</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/12/05/nonsense-about-non-state-actors/comment-page-1/#comment-18831</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Nagpur_man_kidnapped_in_Pakistan/rssarticleshow/3820912.cms&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hindus are missing in Pakistan&lt;/a&gt;. 

The same story I heard where somalina muslims in N. America are getting disappeared and they are suspecting foul play like taking them to training camp.

Jai Hind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Nagpur_man_kidnapped_in_Pakistan/rssarticleshow/3820912.cms" rel="nofollow">Hindus are missing in Pakistan</a>. </p>
<p>The same story I heard where somalina muslims in N. America are getting disappeared and they are suspecting foul play like taking them to training camp.</p>
<p>Jai Hind!</p>
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		<title>By: VK</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/12/05/nonsense-about-non-state-actors/comment-page-1/#comment-18486</link>
		<dc:creator>VK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not precisely related to this post, but a perspective on the hindu nationalists:

Hindu nationalists: Indigenous resilience
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/26990&amp;Itemid=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not precisely related to this post, but a perspective on the hindu nationalists:</p>
<p>Hindu nationalists: Indigenous resilience<br />
<a href="http://mwcnews.net/content/view/26990&#038;Itemid=1" rel="nofollow">http://mwcnews.net/content/view/26990&#038;Itemid=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Indian</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/12/05/nonsense-about-non-state-actors/comment-page-1/#comment-18480</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/06-hyderabad-comes-to-a-standstill.htm

Are they non-state actors of India? To mark demolition day they kept HYD closed? 

Jai Hind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/06-hyderabad-comes-to-a-standstill.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/06-hyderabad-comes-to-a-standstill.htm</a></p>
<p>Are they non-state actors of India? To mark demolition day they kept HYD closed? </p>
<p>Jai Hind!</p>
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		<title>By: Abhinav</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/12/05/nonsense-about-non-state-actors/comment-page-1/#comment-18449</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhinav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think, in reply to India&#039;s 20-wanted terrorists list, Pakistan is considering asking India to hand over 35-wanted terrorists to them. The list includes Bal Thackrey too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think, in reply to India&#8217;s 20-wanted terrorists list, Pakistan is considering asking India to hand over 35-wanted terrorists to them. The list includes Bal Thackrey too.</p>
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