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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Three Hundred Ramayanas&#8221; &amp; &#8220;The Jewel of Medina&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/10/01/300-ramayanas-jewel-medina/comment-page-1/#comment-424450</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhat related, &lt;a href=&quot;http://koenraadelst.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/huffington-post-debate-on-ak-ramanujan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;courtesy Koenraad Elst&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;Vishal Agarwal replied (5-12): 
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“Where Ramanujan got it wrong, driven by his ideological agendas, is to to place all the diverse renderings of Ramayana at par with the Valmiki Ramayana. Let us get one thing VERY CLEAR - All these different versions of Ramayana (Dasharatha Jataka included) have the Ramayana of Valmiki as their basis and draw their storyline to it. It is another matter that they adapt it to their own purposes. Even Ashvaghosha, the author of Buddhacharita, salutes Valmiki as the Adikavi. The Shakya lineage was derided for having descended from a brother sister union. The Buddhists therefore created the Jataka in which Rama and Sita married, and linked the Shakyas with the Ikshavakus. So, their agenda was obvious. To claim, despite this obvious explanation, that in the &#039;most ancient version of the Ramayana, Rama and Sita are siblings&#039; is to distort stuff with the deliberate intent of deriding Hindu beliefs. 
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&quot;The claim that this puerile essay provides ‘alternative viewpoints’ is absurd. Alternative viewpoints must be based on the original epic, on the original story and not on fantasy. You can’t alter the original dramatically — like making Ravana Sita’s father — and then claim that it’s an ‘alternative viewpoint’. That’s distortion, not an alternative viewpoint. And 300 Ramayanas does precisely that — it legitimizes such distortions... &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhat related, <a href="http://koenraadelst.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/huffington-post-debate-on-ak-ramanujan.html" rel="nofollow">courtesy Koenraad Elst</a>:<br />
<i>Vishal Agarwal replied (5-12):<br />
&#8230;<br />
“Where Ramanujan got it wrong, driven by his ideological agendas, is to to place all the diverse renderings of Ramayana at par with the Valmiki Ramayana. Let us get one thing VERY CLEAR &#8211; All these different versions of Ramayana (Dasharatha Jataka included) have the Ramayana of Valmiki as their basis and draw their storyline to it. It is another matter that they adapt it to their own purposes. Even Ashvaghosha, the author of Buddhacharita, salutes Valmiki as the Adikavi. The Shakya lineage was derided for having descended from a brother sister union. The Buddhists therefore created the Jataka in which Rama and Sita married, and linked the Shakyas with the Ikshavakus. So, their agenda was obvious. To claim, despite this obvious explanation, that in the &#8216;most ancient version of the Ramayana, Rama and Sita are siblings&#8217; is to distort stuff with the deliberate intent of deriding Hindu beliefs.<br />
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&#8220;The claim that this puerile essay provides ‘alternative viewpoints’ is absurd. Alternative viewpoints must be based on the original epic, on the original story and not on fantasy. You can’t alter the original dramatically — like making Ravana Sita’s father — and then claim that it’s an ‘alternative viewpoint’. That’s distortion, not an alternative viewpoint. And 300 Ramayanas does precisely that — it legitimizes such distortions&#8230; </i></p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/10/01/300-ramayanas-jewel-medina/comment-page-1/#comment-281851</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read about Mappilla Ramayanam (http://www.cukerala.ac.in/docs/Press%20Release%20Katha%20I.pdf)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read about Mappilla Ramayanam (<a href="http://www.cukerala.ac.in/docs/Press%20Release%20Katha%20I.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cukerala.ac.in/docs/Press%20Release%20Katha%20I.pdf</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/10/01/300-ramayanas-jewel-medina/comment-page-1/#comment-281759</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brief excerpt from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50514-rams-denigration-is-a-political-project.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ram&#039;s denigration is a political project&lt;/a&gt; by Chandan Mitra:
&lt;i&gt;The question is: Why should 19 year old IInd year BA History students be compelled to study these bizarre, obscure versions of one of the world’s greatest epics? While such comparative texts can be dissected by mature post-graduate or doctoral students of ancient or Comparative Literature, why are young, impressionable minds being poisoned by tales of overt sexuality among Gods revered by Hindus? The salacious, if improbable story of Ahalya has little bearing on Ram; teaching students Indra’s transgressions, therefore, forms part of the Leftists’ political project to denigrate Hinduism and Hindu epics. 

Ramanujan does not narrate, for example, the Pabuji cult, which I came across in William Dalrymple’s “Nine Lives”. Worshipped in a small area of Rajasthan near Bikaner, Pabuji’s tale is narrated in a 600-year-old poem, which revolves around the “semi-divine warrior and incarnate god, Pabu, who died protecting a goddess’s magnificent herds against demonic rustlers”. These include the wicked villain Jindrav Khinchi while Pabuji also protects his women from a “barbaric, cow-mudering Muslim marauder Mirza Khan Pathan.” Then Pabuji proceeds to Lanka and scores a splendid victory over “Ravana, the ten-headed Demon-King of Lanka, from whom he steals a herd of camels as a wedding gift for his favourite niece.” Dalrymple refers to sociologist Komal Kothari who was fascinated by the fusion of a local hero’s tale with the epic Ramayana and concluded that the distinction between classic epics and folk epics often gets blurred.

Left-wing scholars know well that over time, the Great Tradition tends to subsume the Little Tradition. In the case of Ramayana, Valmiki’s version, taken forward by Tulsidas’s Ram Charit Manas has emerged as the dominant interpretation of the Great Epic. Fishing out odd texts from local variations or taking recourse to folk and tribal versions to indoctrinate undergraduate students is a deliberate ploy to create confusion. At no stage can Valmiki Ramayana or Tulsidas’s Ramcharitmanas be compared in influence or importance to examples from the Little Tradition. 

Ramanujan’s essay was introduced in the Delhi University BA History syllabus with the sole purpose of turning young Hindus into agnostics or atheists so that they grow up to be cannon fodder for Marxist “warriors” against the robust civilisational values of India. Unless we recognise the hidden agenda of the diabolic Leftist intelligentsia, the fight to purge Indian academia of their bigoted objectives will not succeed.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brief excerpt from <a href="http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50514-rams-denigration-is-a-political-project.html" rel="nofollow">Ram&#8217;s denigration is a political project</a> by Chandan Mitra:<br />
<i>The question is: Why should 19 year old IInd year BA History students be compelled to study these bizarre, obscure versions of one of the world’s greatest epics? While such comparative texts can be dissected by mature post-graduate or doctoral students of ancient or Comparative Literature, why are young, impressionable minds being poisoned by tales of overt sexuality among Gods revered by Hindus? The salacious, if improbable story of Ahalya has little bearing on Ram; teaching students Indra’s transgressions, therefore, forms part of the Leftists’ political project to denigrate Hinduism and Hindu epics. </p>
<p>Ramanujan does not narrate, for example, the Pabuji cult, which I came across in William Dalrymple’s “Nine Lives”. Worshipped in a small area of Rajasthan near Bikaner, Pabuji’s tale is narrated in a 600-year-old poem, which revolves around the “semi-divine warrior and incarnate god, Pabu, who died protecting a goddess’s magnificent herds against demonic rustlers”. These include the wicked villain Jindrav Khinchi while Pabuji also protects his women from a “barbaric, cow-mudering Muslim marauder Mirza Khan Pathan.” Then Pabuji proceeds to Lanka and scores a splendid victory over “Ravana, the ten-headed Demon-King of Lanka, from whom he steals a herd of camels as a wedding gift for his favourite niece.” Dalrymple refers to sociologist Komal Kothari who was fascinated by the fusion of a local hero’s tale with the epic Ramayana and concluded that the distinction between classic epics and folk epics often gets blurred.</p>
<p>Left-wing scholars know well that over time, the Great Tradition tends to subsume the Little Tradition. In the case of Ramayana, Valmiki’s version, taken forward by Tulsidas’s Ram Charit Manas has emerged as the dominant interpretation of the Great Epic. Fishing out odd texts from local variations or taking recourse to folk and tribal versions to indoctrinate undergraduate students is a deliberate ploy to create confusion. At no stage can Valmiki Ramayana or Tulsidas’s Ramcharitmanas be compared in influence or importance to examples from the Little Tradition. </p>
<p>Ramanujan’s essay was introduced in the Delhi University BA History syllabus with the sole purpose of turning young Hindus into agnostics or atheists so that they grow up to be cannon fodder for Marxist “warriors” against the robust civilisational values of India. Unless we recognise the hidden agenda of the diabolic Leftist intelligentsia, the fight to purge Indian academia of their bigoted objectives will not succeed.</i></p>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/10/01/300-ramayanas-jewel-medina/comment-page-1/#comment-260044</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vasu: Good point about the brevity of &quot;Buddhist Ramayana&quot;. I was not aware of that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vasu: Good point about the brevity of &#8220;Buddhist Ramayana&#8221;. I was not aware of that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vasu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One key point is that the original Buddhist Ramayana that Ramanujam gloats about (part of Dasharatha Jataka) is just about two pages long. You can write the whole thing on two sides of an A-4 paper. Forget the fact that the Buddhist Ramayana holds Rama in high esteem as a dharmic ruler.How can this two page Ramayana be compared to the Valmiki’s magnum opus which is 25000+ verses long. With strict adherence to the lyrical ‘Anushtup’ sanskrit metre, there is no way a literary comparion can be made with any of the 300 Ramayanas with Valmiki. Most of the 300 are hearsay oral narratives and some like the Santhal version were falsified by Ramanujam in the essay and proved factually incorrect. 
The only ones which come close are the other epical Ramayanas by Kamban and Tulsi, which have come much much later and clearly indicate their indebtness to Valmiki. The ploy of the ‘eminents’ have been clearly exposed, there is a clear sinster reductionist design of playing down the indic classics.
In the same vein why don&#039;t the &#039;eminents&#039; protest about inclusion of 
viewing &#039;Qayamat se Qayamath Tak&#039; and &#039;Ek Du Je Ke Liye&#039; in shakesphere studies as they are just alternate versions of &#039;Romeo and Juliet&#039;. Shakesphere is not the only authentic guy you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One key point is that the original Buddhist Ramayana that Ramanujam gloats about (part of Dasharatha Jataka) is just about two pages long. You can write the whole thing on two sides of an A-4 paper. Forget the fact that the Buddhist Ramayana holds Rama in high esteem as a dharmic ruler.How can this two page Ramayana be compared to the Valmiki’s magnum opus which is 25000+ verses long. With strict adherence to the lyrical ‘Anushtup’ sanskrit metre, there is no way a literary comparion can be made with any of the 300 Ramayanas with Valmiki. Most of the 300 are hearsay oral narratives and some like the Santhal version were falsified by Ramanujam in the essay and proved factually incorrect.<br />
The only ones which come close are the other epical Ramayanas by Kamban and Tulsi, which have come much much later and clearly indicate their indebtness to Valmiki. The ploy of the ‘eminents’ have been clearly exposed, there is a clear sinster reductionist design of playing down the indic classics.<br />
In the same vein why don&#8217;t the &#8216;eminents&#8217; protest about inclusion of<br />
viewing &#8216;Qayamat se Qayamath Tak&#8217; and &#8216;Ek Du Je Ke Liye&#8217; in shakesphere studies as they are just alternate versions of &#8216;Romeo and Juliet&#8217;. Shakesphere is not the only authentic guy you know.</p>
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