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		<title>By: Jayadevan</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/21/birth-rates-kerala-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-37391</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayadevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can count on organized religion to stand in the way of anything progressive. We have the current &quot;burn the faggots&quot; alliance. To add to the pantheon of &quot;make more kids&quot; gurus, we could consider the Shankaracharya, famous for coining the word &quot;Viraprasu&quot; for a woman who had ten children. And of course, the VHP, who want four kids per family, two for yourselves and two for the cause. 
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/now-vhp-takes-on-family-planning/376410/
This, in spite of the fact that Hindu scriptures do not support an anti-family planning stand - in spite of our liking for bigger families. Dasharatha had only four children by his three consorts. Janaka adopted a girl he found in a field. We knew and acknowledged methods of contraception.

So all &quot;great&quot; minds think alike.

With all this, you will note that the people in Kerala do not necessarily follow what the kooks say. With the advent of education, women have been taking the lead in adopting family planning measures, mostly without consultation with the man, and across the faith spectrum. This is because, all said and done, many men do not adopt such measures. No fertile woman, no children. Of course, widow remarriage among Muslims (and in Hindus, at least in Kerala, though to a lower extent) could involve certain reconsiderations. And there are other considerations than finance involved in producing children. A family isn&#039;t a goat farm, for God&#039;s sake! So the &quot;cash for kids&quot; might not have many takers. If they had promised to support adoption, that would have been a welcome (and painless) way of increasing the number of Christians. No takers?

So poor John Dayal&#039;s complaint is that the Christians have a low rate of growth? Could he attribute it to their comparatively better levels of education? The only way to encourage people to have more kids is to cut down on their level of education.  This is slightly difficult.  So, even if the Church says next that the earth was created in 4004 BC, there might not be any takers - for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can count on organized religion to stand in the way of anything progressive. We have the current &#8220;burn the faggots&#8221; alliance. To add to the pantheon of &#8220;make more kids&#8221; gurus, we could consider the Shankaracharya, famous for coining the word &#8220;Viraprasu&#8221; for a woman who had ten children. And of course, the VHP, who want four kids per family, two for yourselves and two for the cause.<br />
<a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/now-vhp-takes-on-family-planning/376410/" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianexpress.com/news/now-vhp-takes-on-family-planning/376410/</a><br />
This, in spite of the fact that Hindu scriptures do not support an anti-family planning stand &#8211; in spite of our liking for bigger families. Dasharatha had only four children by his three consorts. Janaka adopted a girl he found in a field. We knew and acknowledged methods of contraception.</p>
<p>So all &#8220;great&#8221; minds think alike.</p>
<p>With all this, you will note that the people in Kerala do not necessarily follow what the kooks say. With the advent of education, women have been taking the lead in adopting family planning measures, mostly without consultation with the man, and across the faith spectrum. This is because, all said and done, many men do not adopt such measures. No fertile woman, no children. Of course, widow remarriage among Muslims (and in Hindus, at least in Kerala, though to a lower extent) could involve certain reconsiderations. And there are other considerations than finance involved in producing children. A family isn&#8217;t a goat farm, for God&#8217;s sake! So the &#8220;cash for kids&#8221; might not have many takers. If they had promised to support adoption, that would have been a welcome (and painless) way of increasing the number of Christians. No takers?</p>
<p>So poor John Dayal&#8217;s complaint is that the Christians have a low rate of growth? Could he attribute it to their comparatively better levels of education? The only way to encourage people to have more kids is to cut down on their level of education.  This is slightly difficult.  So, even if the Church says next that the earth was created in 4004 BC, there might not be any takers &#8211; for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Krishen Kak</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/21/birth-rates-kerala-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-37256</link>
		<dc:creator>Krishen Kak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excerpts from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailypioneer.com/187006/Now-Kerala-church-to-help-family-‘unplanning’.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Now, Kerala church to help family ‘unplanning’&lt;/a&gt; by Ketaki Saksena:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Worried by the dwindling numbers of its flock, the Catholic Church in Kerala is planning a host of schemes to promote larger families among the financially sound. Among the promotional measures would be providing educational incentives for fourth child in the family.

The Christian community has seen a decline in numbers because of smaller families over the last two generations in Independent India. “By and large, our rate of growth is the lowest amongst religious communities in the country,” the Secretary General, All India Christian Council and Ex President of the All India Catholic Union, John Dayal told The Pioneer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpts from <a href="http://www.dailypioneer.com/187006/Now-Kerala-church-to-help-family-‘unplanning’.html" rel="nofollow">Now, Kerala church to help family ‘unplanning’</a> by Ketaki Saksena:</p>
<blockquote><p>Worried by the dwindling numbers of its flock, the Catholic Church in Kerala is planning a host of schemes to promote larger families among the financially sound. Among the promotional measures would be providing educational incentives for fourth child in the family.</p>
<p>The Christian community has seen a decline in numbers because of smaller families over the last two generations in Independent India. “By and large, our rate of growth is the lowest amongst religious communities in the country,” the Secretary General, All India Christian Council and Ex President of the All India Catholic Union, John Dayal told The Pioneer.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/21/birth-rates-kerala-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the Church, it now seems to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2927089.cms&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the turn of Sh Abu Azmi&lt;/a&gt; (slightly dated news):

&lt;blockquote&gt;The law prohibiting a person having more than two children from contesting panchayat elections was challenged in the Supreme Court on Friday by Samajwadi Party MP Abu Asim Azmi on the ground that it violated the Islamic dictat that no Muslim would restrict birth of children. 

...&quot;Not to kill any unborn child or restrict its birth either before or post conceiving is the essential and integral part of Islam,&quot;he said and termed the Maharashtra local bodies norm framed in the year 2000 as violative of the fundamental rights of Muslims.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the Church, it now seems to be <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2927089.cms" rel="nofollow">the turn of Sh Abu Azmi</a> (slightly dated news):</p>
<blockquote><p>The law prohibiting a person having more than two children from contesting panchayat elections was challenged in the Supreme Court on Friday by Samajwadi Party MP Abu Asim Azmi on the ground that it violated the Islamic dictat that no Muslim would restrict birth of children. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221;Not to kill any unborn child or restrict its birth either before or post conceiving is the essential and integral part of Islam,&#8221;he said and termed the Maharashtra local bodies norm framed in the year 2000 as violative of the fundamental rights of Muslims.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kumar</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/21/birth-rates-kerala-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-3039</link>
		<dc:creator>Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The degradation of  media and journalism in Kerala is a reality and not a fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The degradation of  media and journalism in Kerala is a reality and not a fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil Narayanan</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/06/21/birth-rates-kerala-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-3038</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikhil Narayanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was shocked to read this news item some days back and found it very stupid.
When everybody says, produce less children, these people come and say, lets have more!
A Hindu or a Muslim having more children should not make any sensible soul make such a statement.(though facts state otherwise)
Two wrongs still do not make a right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shocked to read this news item some days back and found it very stupid.<br />
When everybody says, produce less children, these people come and say, lets have more!<br />
A Hindu or a Muslim having more children should not make any sensible soul make such a statement.(though facts state otherwise)<br />
Two wrongs still do not make a right.</p>
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