Comments on: Source of “Satyameva Jayate” http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/ Dedicated to "Bharat" and "Dharma" Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:09:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Shashi Joshi शशिकांत जोशी http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/comment-page-1/#comment-37960 Shashi Joshi शशिकांत जोशी Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:15:28 +0000 http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/#comment-37960 good to know that someone else from the has been studying hitopadesh :) i had made an audio CD of the first unit mitralAbha back in 2002, and got this book from my grandfather back in 1982! good to know that someone else from the has been studying hitopadesh :) i had made an audio CD of the first unit mitralAbha back in 2002, and got this book from my grandfather back in 1982!

]]> By: B Shantanu http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/comment-page-1/#comment-37949 B Shantanu Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:38:21 +0000 http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/#comment-37949 Dear Shashi: Thank you for your comments and the various points you have made. Study of Vedas is indeed something that cannot be taken lightly. Re "vasudhaiva kuTumbakaM", you are absolutely right - <a href="http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/09/05/kashmir-bjp-vasudhaiv/" rel="nofollow">as this post (courtesy Sh Sarvesh Tiwari) clarifies</a>. Dear Shashi: Thank you for your comments and the various points you have made.

Study of Vedas is indeed something that cannot be taken lightly.

Re “vasudhaiva kuTumbakaM”, you are absolutely right – as this post (courtesy Sh Sarvesh Tiwari) clarifies.

]]> By: Shashi Joshi शशिकांत जोशी http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/comment-page-1/#comment-37848 Shashi Joshi शशिकांत जोशी Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:22:38 +0000 http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/#comment-37848 the copy, i have, reads - "satyameva jayati" which makes sense, since in parasmaipadi (transitive) verbs, the form is "paThati", "charati", "jayati" etc. http://practicalsanskrit.blogspot.com the copy, i have, reads – “satyameva jayati” which makes sense, since in parasmaipadi (transitive) verbs, the form is “paThati”, “charati”, “jayati” etc.

http://practicalsanskrit.blogspot.com

]]> By: Shashi Joshi शशिकांत जोशी http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/comment-page-1/#comment-37846 Shashi Joshi शशिकांत जोशी Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:19:36 +0000 http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/#comment-37846 सत्यमेव जयते नानृतं सत्येन पन्था विततो देवयानः येनाऽऽक्रमन्त्यृषयो ह्याप्तकामा यत्र तत् सत्यस्य परमं निधानम् ==> the third line doesn't need the avagraha, because it is straight svara-sandhi, no visarga removal. येनाक्रमन्त्यृषयो ह्याप्तकामा ==> when putting in roman script, one must use ITRANS or such unambiguous scheme. satyameva jayate nAnRitaM satyena panthA vitato devayAnaH yenAkramantyRiShayo hyAptakAmA yatra tat satyasya paramaM nidhAnaM bharat's corrections: Satyameva jayate naanritam Satyena pantha vitato deveyanah l Yena akramantyarishayo hyaaptakaamaa Yatra tat satyasha paramam nidhaanam ll 6 ll ==> these corrections are ok in anvaya (breaking of sandhi and prosification of poetry) but not to write the original which must have the sandhi. I am afraid even 1% Hindus (forget other Bharatiya) know its source and source of many other beautiful great Vedic statements (like Vasudvaiva kutumbakam, Tamasho maa jyotir gamaya, Sarve bhavantu shukhino, etc.) ==> even in the vedic times not every indian knew of these gems. it is like expecting very school going 5th grader to be able to read and understand schrodinger's equations or be able to appreciate e=mc2. vedic and upaniShadic wisdom is actually esoteric. it is not for everyone. not because it is a secret, but it needs a lot of time, aptitude and ability to comprehend the deeper meanings of these post-post-doc compositions. also, vasudhaiva kuTumbakaM - to my limited knowledge i have only found it in hitopadeshaH, that too in a context that this no more is a mahA vAkya or a great thing for neetikAra. it is said by a jackal trying to make friends with a deer, when the crow advises against it, saying jackals are born enemies of deer. the jackal says only small hearted people say this is mine that is other. "ayaM nijaH paro veti, gaNanA laghuchetasAM udAracharitAnaM tu, vasudhaiva kuTumbakaM" 4. Besides the Bhagavad Gita, please all read the 11 or 13 main Upanishads (preferably in Samskrit, else good translations by Bharatiya scholars/authorities). There’s none in this world of knowledge which will satisfy one’s hunger (physical, mental, spiritual…) to understand the very existence of ours, the Self, the Supreme Reality, without studying and practicing Vedanta philosophy (BG, Upanishads). ==> we should never even feel sad or make mission that every indian or human being will understand the veda, upaniShad etc. if that was possible, we won't have had rAmAyaNa, mahAbhArata and the purANas, whose main aim was to bring the vedic wisdom down to the masses through stories and applications, scenarios. there is a reason why only brAhamaNa was allowed to teach, and only brAhamaNa, kshatriya, vaishya was allowed to study the vedas. for the shudra the stories were created - rAmayaNa, mahAbhArata, purANas etc. study of vedas etc. requires patience, aptitude, ability and selflessness. these BY DEFINITION were the prime qualities of a brAhmaNa, i.e. one who has these is a brAhamaNa. सत्यमेव जयते नानृतं
सत्येन पन्था विततो देवयानः
येनाऽऽक्रमन्त्यृषयो ह्याप्तकामा
यत्र तत् सत्यस्य परमं निधानम्

==> the third line doesn’t need the avagraha, because it is straight svara-sandhi, no visarga removal. येनाक्रमन्त्यृषयो ह्याप्तकामा

==> when putting in roman script, one must use ITRANS or such unambiguous scheme.

satyameva jayate nAnRitaM
satyena panthA vitato devayAnaH
yenAkramantyRiShayo hyAptakAmA
yatra tat satyasya paramaM nidhAnaM

bharat’s corrections:
Satyameva jayate naanritam
Satyena pantha vitato deveyanah l
Yena akramantyarishayo hyaaptakaamaa
Yatra tat satyasha paramam nidhaanam ll 6 ll

==>
these corrections are ok in anvaya (breaking of sandhi and prosification of poetry) but not to write the original which must have the sandhi.

I am afraid even 1% Hindus (forget other Bharatiya) know its source and source of many other beautiful great Vedic statements (like Vasudvaiva kutumbakam, Tamasho maa jyotir gamaya, Sarve bhavantu shukhino, etc.)
==> even in the vedic times not every indian knew of these gems.
it is like expecting very school going 5th grader to be able to read and understand schrodinger’s equations or be able to appreciate e=mc2.

vedic and upaniShadic wisdom is actually esoteric. it is not for everyone. not because it is a secret, but it needs a lot of time, aptitude and ability to comprehend the deeper meanings of these post-post-doc compositions.

also, vasudhaiva kuTumbakaM – to my limited knowledge i have only found it in hitopadeshaH, that too in a context that this no more is a mahA vAkya or a great thing for neetikAra. it is said by a jackal trying to make friends with a deer, when the crow advises against it, saying jackals are born enemies of deer. the jackal says only small hearted people say this is mine that is other.
“ayaM nijaH paro veti, gaNanA laghuchetasAM
udAracharitAnaM tu, vasudhaiva kuTumbakaM”

4. Besides the Bhagavad Gita, please all read the 11 or 13 main Upanishads (preferably in Samskrit, else good translations by Bharatiya scholars/authorities). There’s none in this world of knowledge which will satisfy one’s hunger (physical, mental, spiritual…) to understand the very existence of ours, the Self, the Supreme Reality, without studying and practicing Vedanta philosophy (BG, Upanishads).

==> we should never even feel sad or make mission that every indian or human being will understand the veda, upaniShad etc. if that was possible, we won’t have had rAmAyaNa, mahAbhArata and the purANas, whose main aim was to bring the vedic wisdom down to the masses through stories and applications, scenarios.

there is a reason why only brAhamaNa was allowed to teach, and only brAhamaNa, kshatriya, vaishya was allowed to study the vedas. for the shudra the stories were created – rAmayaNa, mahAbhArata, purANas etc.

study of vedas etc. requires patience, aptitude, ability and selflessness. these BY DEFINITION were the prime qualities of a brAhmaNa, i.e. one who has these is a brAhamaNa.

]]> By: Bharat http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/comment-page-1/#comment-2257 Bharat Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:18:28 +0000 http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/12/01/source-of-satyameva-jayate/#comment-2257 To Chandra and others:

Here are few references, hope helpfull to you.

A.. Bhagavad Gita (good translations and purport/commetary):

There are several, but you may read (note: always good to read in book form than online):

1. The Bhagavad Gita as translated by Sri Aurobindo
http://intyoga.online.fr/bg_idx.htm

Book: Sri Aurobindo’s “Essays on the Gita”.
http://www.amazon.com/Essays-Gita-New-U-S-Paperback/dp/0914955187

2.. You may read Swami Chinmayananda ji’s translations and commentary. It is one of the excellent works. You may read portions here:
Guidance through Bhagavad Gita
http://www.chinmaya-chicago.com/guide.htm

3.. Book: Bhagavad Gita as it is (by Srila Prabhupada, founder of ISKCON). Another very good translations and purport.
You may read Bhagavad GIta as It Is free online:
http://vedabase.net/bg/
http://www.asitis.com/

B. Main Upanishads:

A few good translations/ with purport.

1. The Upanishads by Sri Aurobindo, Sri Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry.

2. The Principal Upanishads (Paperback)
by Swami Nikhilananda (Editor), Ramakrishna mission

Book Description: This volume comprises the major Upanishads, regarded as the basis of the Vedanta philosophy and the outstanding contribution of Hindu thinkers to the philosophical thought of the world. A comprehensive glossary addresses the Sanskrit terms contained in this volume it provides a variety of meanings for each word.

3. “The Upanishads – A New Translation” by Swami Nikhilananda

You may read and download as PDF. This is one of the good translations.

A translation of 11 Upanishads by Swami Nikhilananda
http://sanatan.intnet.mu/upanishads/upanishads.htm

4. Isa Upanishad (translation and purport by Srila Prabhupada)
http://vedabase.net/iso/en

Please share with others!!

AUM TAT SAT.
Bharat

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