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	<title>Comments on: When is it OK to wage &#8220;Jihad&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/11/10/when-is-it-ok-to-wage-jihad/comment-page-1/#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking of Saudi Arabia, read this op-ed piece by Jemima Khan (ex-wife of Imran Khan) on &#8220;<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/11/04/do0407.xml" rel="nofollow">Britain&#8217;s love affair with the Saudi kingdom</a>&#8221;   article in which she writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I&#8217;ve been to Saudi Arabia a few times. It&#8217;s not much fun being a woman there. I suspect it&#8217;s worse being a Saudi woman.<br />
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I&#8217;ve heard old ladies complain that they are so harassed at night by the frustrated male youth of Jeddah that they have to take their scarves off and reveal their raddled faces just to scare them off. The irony of having to show your face to protect your modesty was entirely lost on them.</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
In Saudi Arabia, a woman can&#8217;t travel abroad, leave the house or even be examined by a doctor without the express permission of her husband. She cannot be seen with any man except a close family member, the only exception being her chauffeur – and that&#8217;s a necessity because legally she&#8217;s not permitted to drive. She cannot marry a non-Muslim (or even a non-Sunni Muslim). And she cannot wear anything other than a long black cloak and headscarf in public&#8230;</p>
<p>A few years ago, 15 girls died in a school fire in Mecca because religious police (&#8220;The Commission for The Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice&#8221;) prevented them from leaving the blazing school building as they were not wearing correct Islamic dress and there were no relatives outside to receive them. Apparently the police beat them as they tried to escape.</p>
<p>&#8230;The madrassahs in Pakistan, which gave rise to the radicalism of the Taliban, have been funded by Saudi money since the Afghan jihad.</p>
<p>And a hoard of malignant literature can be found inside as many as a quarter of Britain&#8217;s mosques, published and distributed by agencies linked to the government of King Abdullah. These &#8220;education pamphlets&#8221; call for, amongst other measures, the beheading of Muslims who abandon Islam, attacks on homosexuals, religious segregation of society, for women to stay indoors and interfaith marriages to be banned.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the testimonials from ex-muslims on FaithFreedom.org. Someone from Saudi says women have to have their father&#039;s photo on their ID, not their own. And a father can kill his daughter if needed, and the courts can do nothing. Saudi has a woman F16 pilot, but a male needs to drive her to the airbase..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the testimonials from ex-muslims on FaithFreedom.org. Someone from Saudi says women have to have their father&#8217;s photo on their ID, not their own. And a father can kill his daughter if needed, and the courts can do nothing. Saudi has a woman F16 pilot, but a male needs to drive her to the airbase..</p>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice: Get raped in Saudi, then get 200 lashes
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/242007.html

Such is Sharia ..... I wonder where all the muslims are, who defend their sharia jurisprudence? How come there is not a single voice of protest from muslim countries and population???? And, it is left to the kaffir US to lodge a protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice: Get raped in Saudi, then get 200 lashes<br />
<a href="http://www.indianexpress.com/story/242007.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianexpress.com/story/242007.html</a></p>
<p>Such is Sharia &#8230;.. I wonder where all the muslims are, who defend their sharia jurisprudence? How come there is not a single voice of protest from muslim countries and population???? And, it is left to the kaffir US to lodge a protest.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken.. Koran is plainly uber-hostile (and tailor-made to glofiry the &quot;messenger&quot;) not even just more aggressive, IMO..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken.. Koran is plainly uber-hostile (and tailor-made to glofiry the &#8220;messenger&#8221;) not even just more aggressive, IMO..</p>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashish: &quot;Also, have you looked at how the Jesus story was forced upon messianic Jews by Romans?
http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html&quot;

Yes, I have read this link, but based on my limited knowledge, Dan Brown is more believeable than these guys ...... this is like a fringe sect saying Jesus was not crucified and went on to live in India, etc

There is also interesting stuff to read, if you are interested, on how the Roman emperor Constantine embraced Christianity to prevent a civil war in his empire and set up the Nicene Council, which came up with the &quot;acceptable version&quot; of the NT, which is really where Jesus was officially deified as son of god.

If you really want to explore this,  the bigger issue is how the church (organised religon) went on to deify a man (Jesus) and make him &quot;son of god&quot; etc. Plenty of interesting, informed debate on this topic and other aspects of christianity, dating from the renaissance era.

Separately, the point I was making was that both the NT and the Koran have their roots and genesis in the OT. However, while the NT was a reforming document and thesis, and moved us forward on the road of individual liberty and equality, the Koran was a more aggressive and regressive document and thesis, IMO.

Of course, the church (especially the Roman Catholic Church) abused even the NT to consolidate their power and conduct wars against non-believers, but that is the nature of the beast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashish: &#8220;Also, have you looked at how the Jesus story was forced upon messianic Jews by Romans?<br />
<a href="http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I have read this link, but based on my limited knowledge, Dan Brown is more believeable than these guys &#8230;&#8230; this is like a fringe sect saying Jesus was not crucified and went on to live in India, etc</p>
<p>There is also interesting stuff to read, if you are interested, on how the Roman emperor Constantine embraced Christianity to prevent a civil war in his empire and set up the Nicene Council, which came up with the &#8220;acceptable version&#8221; of the NT, which is really where Jesus was officially deified as son of god.</p>
<p>If you really want to explore this,  the bigger issue is how the church (organised religon) went on to deify a man (Jesus) and make him &#8220;son of god&#8221; etc. Plenty of interesting, informed debate on this topic and other aspects of christianity, dating from the renaissance era.</p>
<p>Separately, the point I was making was that both the NT and the Koran have their roots and genesis in the OT. However, while the NT was a reforming document and thesis, and moved us forward on the road of individual liberty and equality, the Koran was a more aggressive and regressive document and thesis, IMO.</p>
<p>Of course, the church (especially the Roman Catholic Church) abused even the NT to consolidate their power and conduct wars against non-believers, but that is the nature of the beast.</p>
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