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	<title>Comments on: If you thought banning a &#8220;tilak&#8221; was funny, think again</title>
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		<title>By: Tipiti</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/09/18/if-you-thought-banning-a-tilak-was-funny/comment-page-1/#comment-32276</link>
		<dc:creator>Tipiti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If thay coul help the discussion there is a record of nose stud in the Bible. in Genesis, Abraham, father of Isaac and Ishmael send his servant to look for a wife for Isaac in his own family. The lady chosen was Rebekak. In chapter 24 verse 22 it is written &#039;Consequently it came about that, when the camels had finished drinking, then the man took a gold nose ring of a half shekel in weight and two bracelets for her hands, ten shekels of gold was their weight, 23  and he went on to say: “Whose daughter are you?&#039;

If I am not ,mistaking the Muslims are related to Ishmael brother of Isaac. 
I could be logical to think that they two had those kind of jewllery. As they seems to appear around the 15th century it could be right that they not Hindu but Muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If thay coul help the discussion there is a record of nose stud in the Bible. in Genesis, Abraham, father of Isaac and Ishmael send his servant to look for a wife for Isaac in his own family. The lady chosen was Rebekak. In chapter 24 verse 22 it is written &#8216;Consequently it came about that, when the camels had finished drinking, then the man took a gold nose ring of a half shekel in weight and two bracelets for her hands, ten shekels of gold was their weight, 23  and he went on to say: “Whose daughter are you?&#8217;</p>
<p>If I am not ,mistaking the Muslims are related to Ishmael brother of Isaac.<br />
I could be logical to think that they two had those kind of jewllery. As they seems to appear around the 15th century it could be right that they not Hindu but Muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: David Russell Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Russell Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;Nemo&quot; in regards to shalvar-o-qamiz:

Please note that it was Dr. Ranjeet Singh, not myself, who complained about the wearing of shalvar-o-qamiz as the adoption of foreign custom, after previously insisting that no foreign origin should ever be considered for any Hindu custom.  It was the logical incongruity of such statements upon which I was commenting, and so which stands regardless of the final origin of shalvar-o-qamiz.  Note that I wrote nothing at all about it being of Arabic or Islamic origin, as seems to be of overriding concern to you.

Therefore sarcasm like &quot;perhaps western people just haven&#039;t heard... and so assume&quot; is entirely unjustified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;Nemo&#8221; in regards to shalvar-o-qamiz:</p>
<p>Please note that it was Dr. Ranjeet Singh, not myself, who complained about the wearing of shalvar-o-qamiz as the adoption of foreign custom, after previously insisting that no foreign origin should ever be considered for any Hindu custom.  It was the logical incongruity of such statements upon which I was commenting, and so which stands regardless of the final origin of shalvar-o-qamiz.  Note that I wrote nothing at all about it being of Arabic or Islamic origin, as seems to be of overriding concern to you.</p>
<p>Therefore sarcasm like &#8220;perhaps western people just haven&#8217;t heard&#8230; and so assume&#8221; is entirely unjustified.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/09/18/if-you-thought-banning-a-tilak-was-funny/comment-page-1/#comment-1738</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Russell Watson: &quot;shalvar-o-qamiz is of foreign origin&quot;

Salwar/shalwar is a Pahlavi (Iranian) word that traces back to Zend (old Iranian), while the word Kameez derives from Arabic.

The CHURIDAR - visible on the Ajanta cave paintings as well as on those from the Satavahana period (both from about 250 BCE to 200CE) - is indigenous to India. It consists of tight-fitting pants with a somewhat more form-fitting top that comes to somewhere around the knees. This contrasts with the baggy salwar pants, and the loose and formless kameez worn in Pakistan.

Outside of Punjab and neighbouring regions, the salwar is not as commonplace in the rest of India. It is only in recent times that it has been starting to spread out more. For instance, in the last few decades, on the few occasions when adult women in South India don&#039;t wear the saree, they have been wearing the churidar. In comparison, the salwar has still not caught on as much there.

Salwar kameez itself is not an Arabian dress. (Though, I suppose perhaps the extremely long and formless kameez style they wear in Pakistan might have been inspired by the kind of long - though *pantless* - Arabian dress I&#039;ve seen some Arabian women wear?)
The salwar kameez appears to be from the Afghan and Punjab regions. In spite of the half-Iranian half-Arabian name given it, outside of the Indian subcontinent - which includes Afghanistan - it is considered an import (not traditional). The Afghan dress is likely either an adaptation of the Indian churidar or may just be derived from the Parthian (old Afghan, pre-islamic) tunic-and-pant set.

That is, unless someone&#039;s able to find a *definite* &quot;islamic&quot; precursor for the salwar kameez while simultaneously proving that neither the Ajanta and Satavahana periods nor Parthian wear had any influence on the salwar.
Or perhaps western people just haven&#039;t heard of the churidar (and/or don&#039;t know what Parthians wore) and so assume that all Indian dress-with-pants style clothes &quot;must be entirely foreign and/or islamic in origin&quot; merely because one form gained an &quot;Urdu-sounding&quot; name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Russell Watson: &#8220;shalvar-o-qamiz is of foreign origin&#8221;</p>
<p>Salwar/shalwar is a Pahlavi (Iranian) word that traces back to Zend (old Iranian), while the word Kameez derives from Arabic.</p>
<p>The CHURIDAR &#8211; visible on the Ajanta cave paintings as well as on those from the Satavahana period (both from about 250 BCE to 200CE) &#8211; is indigenous to India. It consists of tight-fitting pants with a somewhat more form-fitting top that comes to somewhere around the knees. This contrasts with the baggy salwar pants, and the loose and formless kameez worn in Pakistan.</p>
<p>Outside of Punjab and neighbouring regions, the salwar is not as commonplace in the rest of India. It is only in recent times that it has been starting to spread out more. For instance, in the last few decades, on the few occasions when adult women in South India don&#8217;t wear the saree, they have been wearing the churidar. In comparison, the salwar has still not caught on as much there.</p>
<p>Salwar kameez itself is not an Arabian dress. (Though, I suppose perhaps the extremely long and formless kameez style they wear in Pakistan might have been inspired by the kind of long &#8211; though *pantless* &#8211; Arabian dress I&#8217;ve seen some Arabian women wear?)<br />
The salwar kameez appears to be from the Afghan and Punjab regions. In spite of the half-Iranian half-Arabian name given it, outside of the Indian subcontinent &#8211; which includes Afghanistan &#8211; it is considered an import (not traditional). The Afghan dress is likely either an adaptation of the Indian churidar or may just be derived from the Parthian (old Afghan, pre-islamic) tunic-and-pant set.</p>
<p>That is, unless someone&#8217;s able to find a *definite* &#8220;islamic&#8221; precursor for the salwar kameez while simultaneously proving that neither the Ajanta and Satavahana periods nor Parthian wear had any influence on the salwar.<br />
Or perhaps western people just haven&#8217;t heard of the churidar (and/or don&#8217;t know what Parthians wore) and so assume that all Indian dress-with-pants style clothes &#8220;must be entirely foreign and/or islamic in origin&#8221; merely because one form gained an &#8220;Urdu-sounding&#8221; name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Russell Watson</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/09/18/if-you-thought-banning-a-tilak-was-funny/comment-page-1/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>David Russell Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So refuse to see a thing, Dr. Singh, and it ceases to exist, eh?   But at what cost do we walk around with our eyes closed?

You seem, on the contrary, to recognize that shalvar-o-qamiz is of foreign origin, and thus the fact that Indians can and do sometimes adopt foreign customs, yet otherwise insist that the question shouldn&#039;t even be raised.

It&#039;s difficult to comprehend your logic, sir, but then what would I, a mere &quot;Anaarya&quot;, know?

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So refuse to see a thing, Dr. Singh, and it ceases to exist, eh?   But at what cost do we walk around with our eyes closed?</p>
<p>You seem, on the contrary, to recognize that shalvar-o-qamiz is of foreign origin, and thus the fact that Indians can and do sometimes adopt foreign customs, yet otherwise insist that the question shouldn&#8217;t even be raised.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult to comprehend your logic, sir, but then what would I, a mere &#8220;Anaarya&#8221;, know?</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Indian</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/09/18/if-you-thought-banning-a-tilak-was-funny/comment-page-1/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its so stupid to learn that &#039;tilak&#039; and &#039;nose stud&#039; is creating news and reason of being sacked from the job.

Whats wrong in it.? What is wrong is peircing ring at navel, tounge and on lips. Tatooing on body parts.

Once, somebody asked one woman in US, that what is this on your forehead? She said &quot;Bindi&#039;. Than one more question came out of curiosity, why are you puting this? woman knew that he is pulling her legs so replied, its my tatoo, many people have on  their body so do I and it is on my forehead. Anything wrong in it? one more exclamaition from that person, very strange and weird. Woman replied I never felt  that way when I saw paint and colour on many people around me, so why you are feeling that way with my &quot;Bindi&quot;?.

Moral is : What they do is &quot;LILA&quot; and what we do is &#039;Bhavai&#039;? Sorry guys, I dont have proper words to explain LILA and BHAVAI in english. Help Please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its so stupid to learn that &#8217;tilak&#8217; and &#8216;nose stud&#8217; is creating news and reason of being sacked from the job.</p>
<p>Whats wrong in it.? What is wrong is peircing ring at navel, tounge and on lips. Tatooing on body parts.</p>
<p>Once, somebody asked one woman in US, that what is this on your forehead? She said &#8220;Bindi&#8217;. Than one more question came out of curiosity, why are you puting this? woman knew that he is pulling her legs so replied, its my tatoo, many people have on  their body so do I and it is on my forehead. Anything wrong in it? one more exclamaition from that person, very strange and weird. Woman replied I never felt  that way when I saw paint and colour on many people around me, so why you are feeling that way with my &#8220;Bindi&#8221;?.</p>
<p>Moral is : What they do is &#8220;LILA&#8221; and what we do is &#8216;Bhavai&#8217;? Sorry guys, I dont have proper words to explain LILA and BHAVAI in english. Help Please!</p>
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