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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/08/09/fresh-look-at-reservations/comment-page-1/#comment-103508</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vedamgopal: re. your last point about changing faith to avail reservations, you may be aware of the controversy brewing in Tamil Nadu over the faith of Sh C Umashankar, IAS Office of the 1990 cadre, who has been in the news for exposing corruption in numerous departments and administration in TN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vedamgopal: re. your last point about changing faith to avail reservations, you may be aware of the controversy brewing in Tamil Nadu over the faith of Sh C Umashankar, IAS Office of the 1990 cadre, who has been in the news for exposing corruption in numerous departments and administration in TN.</p>
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		<title>By: vedamgopal</title>
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		<dc:creator>vedamgopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to me when one is born he is identified as male or female and all other identifications are society enforced like nationality, religion and cast group.  When one has the right to change his nationality if he settle in other country, when one has the right to change his religion as per his choice, WHY NOT ALLOW CHANGE OF CAST GROUP?

Nationality is a general identification based on the birth place. Even for changing the nationality in a foreign land one has to full fill so many conditions and also to wait for long time to get the changed citizenship.  It is not something like dipping you in bath tub, putting a cross dollar in the neck and saying from to-day you are a Christian. The majority becomes minority and he is eligible for all the minority benefits.  Is it logic? Cast &amp; religion are based on who gave birth to you and it is permanent and can not be changed. If change of religion is justifiable by law then change of cast group is also justifiable. I am willing change my cast group and want to announce that I am converted to dalit community and except the government to provide all the reservation benefit.  Is it OK ????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to me when one is born he is identified as male or female and all other identifications are society enforced like nationality, religion and cast group.  When one has the right to change his nationality if he settle in other country, when one has the right to change his religion as per his choice, WHY NOT ALLOW CHANGE OF CAST GROUP?</p>
<p>Nationality is a general identification based on the birth place. Even for changing the nationality in a foreign land one has to full fill so many conditions and also to wait for long time to get the changed citizenship.  It is not something like dipping you in bath tub, putting a cross dollar in the neck and saying from to-day you are a Christian. The majority becomes minority and he is eligible for all the minority benefits.  Is it logic? Cast &amp; religion are based on who gave birth to you and it is permanent and can not be changed. If change of religion is justifiable by law then change of cast group is also justifiable. I am willing change my cast group and want to announce that I am converted to dalit community and except the government to provide all the reservation benefit.  Is it OK ????????????</p>
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		<title>By: vedamgopal</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/08/09/fresh-look-at-reservations/comment-page-1/#comment-103379</link>
		<dc:creator>vedamgopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An over view of Reservation

1.	In most of the states except for Brahmin community other forward communities has got some sub groups identified as OBC/MBC. These forward community people gets bogus certificate of the sub groups and avails the reservation benefit. Similar in case of OBC/MBC to SC/ST

2.	The Government should pass a law with a time limit stating whoever got the bogus certificate and availed the reservation benefit should announce the same. Those people are warned with a nominal fine and left out. Beyond that time frame if any one caught with bogus certificate they should be severely punished. 

3.	To-day’s politicians are all mostly bogus certificate holders and they only raise their voice for more reservation and also oppose the creamy layer concept.

4.	The families of (OBC/SC/ST) having got the reservation benefit for all the family members once and there is no justification in extending the same to their future generation. Hence Government should publish those family names in the Gazette time to time so that the benefit can be extended to other needy persons.

5.	Except in Hindu religion cast division is not there in other religion and our constitution also clearly says that cast base reservation is not applicable to other religion. But most of the converts are having two certificates with a Hindu name and availing the reservation benefit in Hindu religion and also in minority institution. No one is bothered to verify the same.

6.	Suppose a forward community male or female marries a lower cast person their children should be identified only as forward community.

7.	Now the Government has introduced creamy layer concept in higher education.  Initially for this purpose the annual income was fixed at 2.5 lacs.  But the bogus certificate holding politician opposed this limit and now the same was revised to 4.5 lacs. That means those who are earning an annual income of less than 4.5 lacs are considered to be poor. Then why the Government is taxing the salaried people who are earning an annual income of more than 1.5 lacs per annum.  The Government should increase the tax ceiling to 4.5 lacs and establish social justice.     

8.	It is Justifiable giving reservation in education and there is no logic in extending the same in employment also.  It is not stopped at this stage reservation is still extended in promotion also.

9.	Backward people are allowed to apply in general quota as well as in reserved quota. If he gets a seat in general quota one number is reduced in general quota for the forward community and there is no reduction in backward quota at the same time but the left out number is carried over to the next year. Is it OK?

10.	Upon introduction of reservation in educational institution every body forgot character building along with the education.  Thus a generation of educated character less people has been created and we are now witnessing the tragic end of the same to-day in all the administrative mechanism. Without bribing you can not do any work from burial ground to parliament. State assembly &amp; Parliament is functioning like a fish market. Doctors are engaging in long strike without bothering about the valuable human life.  Very often Lawyers are breaking the law and behave like a street rowdy. 

11.	A trend is set that every community wants to identify them as backward.

12.	Hence cast base reservations are to be abolished and creamy layer system only helps the needy people.  If required we can have 2 or 3 income limits for reservations.  This alone will eradicate the cast barrier on the long run. 

13.	Swami Vivekananda said “True equality has never been and never can be on the earth. How can we all be equal here?  This is impossible kind of equality implies total death.  Inequality is the basis of creation.  At the same time the forces struggling to obtain equality are as much a necessity of creation as those which destroy it” That is why the Supreme Court restricted the reservation to 50% maximum.  Providing  reservation beyond this only leads to pushing the forward classes to backwardness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An over view of Reservation</p>
<p>1.	In most of the states except for Brahmin community other forward communities has got some sub groups identified as OBC/MBC. These forward community people gets bogus certificate of the sub groups and avails the reservation benefit. Similar in case of OBC/MBC to SC/ST</p>
<p>2.	The Government should pass a law with a time limit stating whoever got the bogus certificate and availed the reservation benefit should announce the same. Those people are warned with a nominal fine and left out. Beyond that time frame if any one caught with bogus certificate they should be severely punished. </p>
<p>3.	To-day’s politicians are all mostly bogus certificate holders and they only raise their voice for more reservation and also oppose the creamy layer concept.</p>
<p>4.	The families of (OBC/SC/ST) having got the reservation benefit for all the family members once and there is no justification in extending the same to their future generation. Hence Government should publish those family names in the Gazette time to time so that the benefit can be extended to other needy persons.</p>
<p>5.	Except in Hindu religion cast division is not there in other religion and our constitution also clearly says that cast base reservation is not applicable to other religion. But most of the converts are having two certificates with a Hindu name and availing the reservation benefit in Hindu religion and also in minority institution. No one is bothered to verify the same.</p>
<p>6.	Suppose a forward community male or female marries a lower cast person their children should be identified only as forward community.</p>
<p>7.	Now the Government has introduced creamy layer concept in higher education.  Initially for this purpose the annual income was fixed at 2.5 lacs.  But the bogus certificate holding politician opposed this limit and now the same was revised to 4.5 lacs. That means those who are earning an annual income of less than 4.5 lacs are considered to be poor. Then why the Government is taxing the salaried people who are earning an annual income of more than 1.5 lacs per annum.  The Government should increase the tax ceiling to 4.5 lacs and establish social justice.     </p>
<p>8.	It is Justifiable giving reservation in education and there is no logic in extending the same in employment also.  It is not stopped at this stage reservation is still extended in promotion also.</p>
<p>9.	Backward people are allowed to apply in general quota as well as in reserved quota. If he gets a seat in general quota one number is reduced in general quota for the forward community and there is no reduction in backward quota at the same time but the left out number is carried over to the next year. Is it OK?</p>
<p>10.	Upon introduction of reservation in educational institution every body forgot character building along with the education.  Thus a generation of educated character less people has been created and we are now witnessing the tragic end of the same to-day in all the administrative mechanism. Without bribing you can not do any work from burial ground to parliament. State assembly &amp; Parliament is functioning like a fish market. Doctors are engaging in long strike without bothering about the valuable human life.  Very often Lawyers are breaking the law and behave like a street rowdy. </p>
<p>11.	A trend is set that every community wants to identify them as backward.</p>
<p>12.	Hence cast base reservations are to be abolished and creamy layer system only helps the needy people.  If required we can have 2 or 3 income limits for reservations.  This alone will eradicate the cast barrier on the long run. </p>
<p>13.	Swami Vivekananda said “True equality has never been and never can be on the earth. How can we all be equal here?  This is impossible kind of equality implies total death.  Inequality is the basis of creation.  At the same time the forces struggling to obtain equality are as much a necessity of creation as those which destroy it” That is why the Supreme Court restricted the reservation to 50% maximum.  Providing  reservation beyond this only leads to pushing the forward classes to backwardness.</p>
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		<title>By: CHURCHILL KUMAR SHAH</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/08/09/fresh-look-at-reservations/comment-page-1/#comment-72162</link>
		<dc:creator>CHURCHILL KUMAR SHAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reservation in India has become big nuisance especially in the field of education and in job sectors and people belonging to SC,ST,BC&#039;s , Muslims are encouraging politicians for more reservations in India for their vote banks.It&#039;s only politicians example mayamatti,arjun singh, sonia gandhi etc..,who plays all such games and we are suffering because of situation like this.arjun singh and sonia gandhi created big scene for reservation. come on i am from IIT as well I am asking you is it so necessary for people belonging from SC,ST,BC&#039;s, Muslims to have resevations in educational institutes like IIT,IIM,AIIMS and Govt job sectors such as IAS,IPS etcc., why can&#039;t they got brain to study and work hard?k i agree if this people are economically backward Govt must help them for money but not in the case of seats never ever help them i mean study and get the seat come on it is IIT,IIM ,AIIMS not your parliament seat.If backward caste wants to study in higher institutes ask them to crack the seat not by reservations come on India is developing country we are no longer lower then countries like USA,UK,CANADA.I am in UK and to be frank more than 36 % Indian scientist work in NASA most of them are from IIT&#039;s so understand the importance of IIT and education not reservations it&#039;s only we who can really change the India not stupid politicians who looks after reservations.Politicains must be punished highly if they create any stupid issue reservations .Just wipe off the reservations from the roots and say no to reservation for the future development of India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reservation in India has become big nuisance especially in the field of education and in job sectors and people belonging to SC,ST,BC&#8217;s , Muslims are encouraging politicians for more reservations in India for their vote banks.It&#8217;s only politicians example mayamatti,arjun singh, sonia gandhi etc..,who plays all such games and we are suffering because of situation like this.arjun singh and sonia gandhi created big scene for reservation. come on i am from IIT as well I am asking you is it so necessary for people belonging from SC,ST,BC&#8217;s, Muslims to have resevations in educational institutes like IIT,IIM,AIIMS and Govt job sectors such as IAS,IPS etcc., why can&#8217;t they got brain to study and work hard?k i agree if this people are economically backward Govt must help them for money but not in the case of seats never ever help them i mean study and get the seat come on it is IIT,IIM ,AIIMS not your parliament seat.If backward caste wants to study in higher institutes ask them to crack the seat not by reservations come on India is developing country we are no longer lower then countries like USA,UK,CANADA.I am in UK and to be frank more than 36 % Indian scientist work in NASA most of them are from IIT&#8217;s so understand the importance of IIT and education not reservations it&#8217;s only we who can really change the India not stupid politicians who looks after reservations.Politicains must be punished highly if they create any stupid issue reservations .Just wipe off the reservations from the roots and say no to reservation for the future development of India.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ambekar</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/08/09/fresh-look-at-reservations/comment-page-1/#comment-1521</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ambekar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends
If the &quot;Reservation Policy&quot; is base on &quot;Caste&quot; equation then it is a never ending story. If it is based on &quot;Economic&quot; criteria then there is possibility to succeed to a certain extent not a fool proof or watertight compartment.
Basic malady of Indian Society is both &quot;Caste system&quot; and &quot;Minoritism&quot;. One has to remember what constitutes miniritism for special privileges under this category?. How many Parsis are there in India and what &quot;Reservations or Privileges&quot; that community has ever asked for? There is Jewish community in India, have they ever raised their head for special privileges? ( They came as refugees )
It is the problem of &quot;Greed&quot; of the Minorities and Caste equation as imbibed in Constitution.

There are no honest politicians to tell the community that enough is enough and stop in stages by reducing the percentage and if one is in upper social order as a result of &quot;Reservation Policy&quot; than stop it  forever for that Individual. This may involve to maintain an Entry Register. As to record who is climbed the ladder in the society who has not. (An impossible taks )

I  met an IAS office form the Reservation Category. He was my guest from India, He did say that he agrees with me BUT if there is no &quot;Legal&quot; binding to this convention it will not be implemented.

Late Suraj Bhan was our guest at home, he was Governor of  Uttar Pradesh and Later Himachal Pradesh. A learned gentleman and Politician said that society itself must help the down trodden for its upliftment and not the Law and Constitutional guarantees.

I am certain that may be better views

Dr. Ambekar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends<br />
If the &#8220;Reservation Policy&#8221; is base on &#8220;Caste&#8221; equation then it is a never ending story. If it is based on &#8220;Economic&#8221; criteria then there is possibility to succeed to a certain extent not a fool proof or watertight compartment.<br />
Basic malady of Indian Society is both &#8220;Caste system&#8221; and &#8220;Minoritism&#8221;. One has to remember what constitutes miniritism for special privileges under this category?. How many Parsis are there in India and what &#8220;Reservations or Privileges&#8221; that community has ever asked for? There is Jewish community in India, have they ever raised their head for special privileges? ( They came as refugees )<br />
It is the problem of &#8220;Greed&#8221; of the Minorities and Caste equation as imbibed in Constitution.</p>
<p>There are no honest politicians to tell the community that enough is enough and stop in stages by reducing the percentage and if one is in upper social order as a result of &#8220;Reservation Policy&#8221; than stop it  forever for that Individual. This may involve to maintain an Entry Register. As to record who is climbed the ladder in the society who has not. (An impossible taks )</p>
<p>I  met an IAS office form the Reservation Category. He was my guest from India, He did say that he agrees with me BUT if there is no &#8220;Legal&#8221; binding to this convention it will not be implemented.</p>
<p>Late Suraj Bhan was our guest at home, he was Governor of  Uttar Pradesh and Later Himachal Pradesh. A learned gentleman and Politician said that society itself must help the down trodden for its upliftment and not the Law and Constitutional guarantees.</p>
<p>I am certain that may be better views</p>
<p>Dr. Ambekar.</p>
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