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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/Issues/28/rightorwrong.htm  &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Were Hindus right to oppose M. F. Husain&#039;s art&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, or is legitimate artistic freedom being trodden upon?&quot; by &lt;strong&gt;Koenraad Elst &lt;/strong&gt;(from Hindu Voice UK&#039;s July 2009 issue; emphasis added)&lt;strong&gt;:&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;...&lt;strong&gt;it is simply untrue that goddesses are ever depicted (in India) while satisfying themselves with the help of a tiger’s tail, the way Husain depicts Durga. As for the more modest nudes, even these are far from the rule in Hindu iconography&lt;/strong&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;In the Hindu worldview, kama or eroticism has a place among the finalities of human life&lt;/strong&gt;. This may well be the idea behind the depiction of some sexual scenes on the outside walls of Khajuraho temples. However, &lt;strong&gt;it is not because the Khajuraho buildings are temples that they depict sex between deities. These sculptures are only on the outside, not inside the abode of the deity, and they depict scenes from all aspects of human life.&lt;/strong&gt; They send the message that one should always have the deity as the central point in one’s life even though one is engaged in worldly activities. &lt;strong&gt;About one tenth of them are of a sexual nature,a and none of these involves characters recognizable as Saraswati, Lakshmi or other deities&lt;/strong&gt;. Inside the Khajuraho temples, the idols of Shiva, Nandi, Durga, the incarnation of Vishnu and Lakshmi etc. are clothed normally. &lt;strong&gt;All over India, deities have been shown in temples as described in the scriptures and normally no idols of deities are shown nude or in sexual positions. &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;There are arguable exceptions. One is the Tantric deity-couples, frequent in Tibet but rare in India&lt;/strong&gt;, who may be shown in a dignified copulation posture, not doggie-style or lying down missionary-style as pornographers would prefer, but the god sitting in lotus posture with the goddesses sitting on his lap embracing him. I am the happy owner of a statue of Ganesha in copulation with a female partner, which incidentally gives the lie to Paul Courtright’s thesis of Ganesha as a symbol of phallic limpness. &lt;strong&gt;None of Husain’s contested paintings even dimly resembles these icons&lt;/strong&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;The second exception is the icons of naked saints, not gods, who observed a vow of nudity as part of their ascetic discipline. This chiefly concerns Mahavirs Jina and some of his followers. But obviously there cannot be a trace of sensuality, let alone Husain’s perversity, in those depictions of celibate saints&lt;/strong&gt;.

In an open letter to Lord Desai, Hindu Human Rights also explained that Hindus were “offended at his depiction of Draupadi as naked, as in Hindu tradition it is Lord Krishna who saves her modesty in the Maharabhata”. Effectively, in a central episode of the most influential text of Hinduism, the Mahabharata¸ Draupadi is threatened with nudity as an act of humiliation, and the deified hero Krishna is credited with saving her from this shame. Husain identifies with the Kaurava rascals by taking her clothes off after all. The very least that the epic story teaches is that ancient Hindus were not so carefree about nudity after all.

At this point I have to correct a position I had taken in an internet discussion after a naked depiction of goddess Saraswati by Husian had caused some commotion. I had pointed out that Saraswati had been introduced in Japan by the Buddhists under the name Benzai-ten, and that this goddess does get depicted naked. Indeed, a naked sculpture of Benzai-ten is shown in many books of Buddhist or Japanese art history (e.g Louis Frederic: Les Dieux du Bouddhisme, Flammarion, Paris 1992, p.223 ff.). However, that sculpture is not functioning idol in a temple but located in a museum. In a temple, such a naked sculpture is clothed every morning, and worshippers only see her clothed. &lt;strong&gt;This practice of clothing a sculpture is not uncommon in Hindu-Buddhist devotionalism, e.g even the giant Bamian Buddhas in Afghanistan used to be clothed.&lt;/strong&gt; The Japanese are less prudish than the Indians, but even they worship their deities in clothed form. Likewise, even the impudent Greeks depicted only Aphrodite, the goddess of erotic love, in the nude; but Artemis, Athena, Demeter and other goddesses are always shown covered.
&lt;/em&gt;
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P.S. One important clarification by Sandhya Jain-ji:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Nudity is NOT observed by Jaina saints as part of their ascetic discipline. First of all, there is no nudity in dharma. The Digambara Jaina Muni becomes Digambara (clothed in air) when he attains the pinnacle of his dharmic consciousness;&lt;/strong&gt; the clothes fall with the loss of false consciousness, and it is not as if there is training in living naked like in a nudist camp in America. There is naturally no sensuality here, and there is no need for Elst to even raise this here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From &#8220;<strong><a href="http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/Issues/28/rightorwrong.htm  " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Were Hindus right to oppose M. F. Husain&#8217;s art</a></strong>, or is legitimate artistic freedom being trodden upon?&#8221; by <strong>Koenraad Elst </strong>(from Hindu Voice UK&#8217;s July 2009 issue; emphasis added)<strong>:</strong><br />
<em>&#8230;<strong>it is simply untrue that goddesses are ever depicted (in India) while satisfying themselves with the help of a tiger’s tail, the way Husain depicts Durga. As for the more modest nudes, even these are far from the rule in Hindu iconography</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>In the Hindu worldview, kama or eroticism has a place among the finalities of human life</strong>. This may well be the idea behind the depiction of some sexual scenes on the outside walls of Khajuraho temples. However, <strong>it is not because the Khajuraho buildings are temples that they depict sex between deities. These sculptures are only on the outside, not inside the abode of the deity, and they depict scenes from all aspects of human life.</strong> They send the message that one should always have the deity as the central point in one’s life even though one is engaged in worldly activities. <strong>About one tenth of them are of a sexual nature,a and none of these involves characters recognizable as Saraswati, Lakshmi or other deities</strong>. Inside the Khajuraho temples, the idols of Shiva, Nandi, Durga, the incarnation of Vishnu and Lakshmi etc. are clothed normally. <strong>All over India, deities have been shown in temples as described in the scriptures and normally no idols of deities are shown nude or in sexual positions. </strong></p>
<p><strong>There are arguable exceptions. One is the Tantric deity-couples, frequent in Tibet but rare in India</strong>, who may be shown in a dignified copulation posture, not doggie-style or lying down missionary-style as pornographers would prefer, but the god sitting in lotus posture with the goddesses sitting on his lap embracing him. I am the happy owner of a statue of Ganesha in copulation with a female partner, which incidentally gives the lie to Paul Courtright’s thesis of Ganesha as a symbol of phallic limpness. <strong>None of Husain’s contested paintings even dimly resembles these icons</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>The second exception is the icons of naked saints, not gods, who observed a vow of nudity as part of their ascetic discipline. This chiefly concerns Mahavirs Jina and some of his followers. But obviously there cannot be a trace of sensuality, let alone Husain’s perversity, in those depictions of celibate saints</strong>.</p>
<p>In an open letter to Lord Desai, Hindu Human Rights also explained that Hindus were “offended at his depiction of Draupadi as naked, as in Hindu tradition it is Lord Krishna who saves her modesty in the Maharabhata”. Effectively, in a central episode of the most influential text of Hinduism, the Mahabharata¸ Draupadi is threatened with nudity as an act of humiliation, and the deified hero Krishna is credited with saving her from this shame. Husain identifies with the Kaurava rascals by taking her clothes off after all. The very least that the epic story teaches is that ancient Hindus were not so carefree about nudity after all.</p>
<p>At this point I have to correct a position I had taken in an internet discussion after a naked depiction of goddess Saraswati by Husian had caused some commotion. I had pointed out that Saraswati had been introduced in Japan by the Buddhists under the name Benzai-ten, and that this goddess does get depicted naked. Indeed, a naked sculpture of Benzai-ten is shown in many books of Buddhist or Japanese art history (e.g Louis Frederic: Les Dieux du Bouddhisme, Flammarion, Paris 1992, p.223 ff.). However, that sculpture is not functioning idol in a temple but located in a museum. In a temple, such a naked sculpture is clothed every morning, and worshippers only see her clothed. <strong>This practice of clothing a sculpture is not uncommon in Hindu-Buddhist devotionalism, e.g even the giant Bamian Buddhas in Afghanistan used to be clothed.</strong> The Japanese are less prudish than the Indians, but even they worship their deities in clothed form. Likewise, even the impudent Greeks depicted only Aphrodite, the goddess of erotic love, in the nude; but Artemis, Athena, Demeter and other goddesses are always shown covered.<br />
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<p>P.S. One important clarification by Sandhya Jain-ji:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Nudity is NOT observed by Jaina saints as part of their ascetic discipline. First of all, there is no nudity in dharma. The Digambara Jaina Muni becomes Digambara (clothed in air) when he attains the pinnacle of his dharmic consciousness;</strong> the clothes fall with the loss of false consciousness, and it is not as if there is training in living naked like in a nudist camp in America. There is naturally no sensuality here, and there is no need for Elst to even raise this here.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‎&quot;The minister (Sh Kapil Sibal) in a hurriedly convened briefing told reporters that the government would look at ways of curbing &quot;blasphemous&quot; content which could hurt the religious sentiments of a large section of communities in India.&quot;
http://bit.ly/tmwGzC
&quot;I fought almost all of his (MF Husain&#039;s) legal battles while I was a lawyer. 
There is nothing ugly about his paintings&quot; 
http://bit.ly/sHrdur 
...
हम करें तो ब्लासफेमी, तुम करो तो xxx...

***
Here&#039;s Sh Sibal&#039;s double-speak: 
&quot;“What do you think about these derogatory pictures of the Prophet Mohammed.. 
Anybody will feel outraged. The government of India does not believe in censorship. But sensitivity and feelings of different communities cannot be allowed to be hurt&quot; http://bit.ly/skQwxj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‎&#8221;The minister (Sh Kapil Sibal) in a hurriedly convened briefing told reporters that the government would look at ways of curbing &#8220;blasphemous&#8221; content which could hurt the religious sentiments of a large section of communities in India.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/tmwGzC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/tmwGzC</a><br />
&#8220;I fought almost all of his (MF Husain&#8217;s) legal battles while I was a lawyer.<br />
There is nothing ugly about his paintings&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/sHrdur" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/sHrdur</a><br />
&#8230;<br />
हम करें तो ब्लासफेमी, तुम करो तो xxx&#8230;</p>
<p>***<br />
Here&#8217;s Sh Sibal&#8217;s double-speak:<br />
&#8220;“What do you think about these derogatory pictures of the Prophet Mohammed..<br />
Anybody will feel outraged. The government of India does not believe in censorship. But sensitivity and feelings of different communities cannot be allowed to be hurt&#8221; <a href="http://bit.ly/skQwxj" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/skQwxj</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kaffir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaffir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;“Honoured by Qatar nationality” but deeply saddened by his enforced exile.. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;
=&gt;

Isn&#039;t this exile self-enforced to avoid appearing in the courts?

=&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;He travels freely except to India, where he faces legal harassment and physical threats, with the system impotent and not committed to enabling his return.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
=&gt;

Legal harassment? So in that case, the laws need to be changed. But that would hurt the Islamist cause in India, so in N. Ram&#039;s view, following the law becomes &quot;legal harassment&quot;. So much for respecting the rule of law.

=&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;It is ironical that a country whose religious art often portrays nudity and even overt sexuality, as in the case of the Khajuraho sculptures and the murals and frescoes of south Indian temples, has grown so intolerant as to drive into permanent exile its most famous artist. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;
=&gt;

This most famous artist also withdrew from circulation, his film &quot;Meenaxi&quot; when some Islamists objected to it. Unfortunately, nary a peep was heard from the intelligentsia, and I doubt that N. Ram will have the guts to take up &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; issue of censorship. It&#039;s best to sweep it under the carpet, while bursting one&#039;s lungs about &quot;Hindutva fascists&quot;.

And religious art portraying nudity does not imply that the gods and goddesses are also displayed in nude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>=&gt;<br />
<i>&#8220;“Honoured by Qatar nationality” but deeply saddened by his enforced exile.. &#8220;</i><br />
=&gt;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this exile self-enforced to avoid appearing in the courts?</p>
<p>=&gt;<br />
<i>&#8220;He travels freely except to India, where he faces legal harassment and physical threats, with the system impotent and not committed to enabling his return.&#8221;</i><br />
=&gt;</p>
<p>Legal harassment? So in that case, the laws need to be changed. But that would hurt the Islamist cause in India, so in N. Ram&#8217;s view, following the law becomes &#8220;legal harassment&#8221;. So much for respecting the rule of law.</p>
<p>=&gt;<br />
<i>&#8220;It is ironical that a country whose religious art often portrays nudity and even overt sexuality, as in the case of the Khajuraho sculptures and the murals and frescoes of south Indian temples, has grown so intolerant as to drive into permanent exile its most famous artist. &#8220;</i><br />
=&gt;</p>
<p>This most famous artist also withdrew from circulation, his film &#8220;Meenaxi&#8221; when some Islamists objected to it. Unfortunately, nary a peep was heard from the intelligentsia, and I doubt that N. Ram will have the guts to take up <i>that</i> issue of censorship. It&#8217;s best to sweep it under the carpet, while bursting one&#8217;s lungs about &#8220;Hindutva fascists&#8221;.</p>
<p>And religious art portraying nudity does not imply that the gods and goddesses are also displayed in nude.</p>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/05/10/husain-khajuraho-moral-policing/comment-page-1/#comment-61677</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 10:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question from Sanjay&#039;s email: 

&lt;b&gt;Would it be creative freedom or secular or liberal if a Hindu artist were to paint Muhammad or depict Allah? And in the nude? 

Would N Ram have the same comments to make? Why not?&lt;/b&gt;

Ref: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/25/stories/2010022558010100.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;N Ram on M F Husain&#039;s new nationality&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question from Sanjay&#8217;s email: </p>
<p><b>Would it be creative freedom or secular or liberal if a Hindu artist were to paint Muhammad or depict Allah? And in the nude? </p>
<p>Would N Ram have the same comments to make? Why not?</b></p>
<p>Ref: <a href="http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/25/stories/2010022558010100.htm" rel="nofollow">N Ram on M F Husain&#8217;s new nationality</a></p>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/05/10/husain-khajuraho-moral-policing/comment-page-1/#comment-61507</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hindustantimes.com/MF-Husain-conferred-Qatar-nationality-Report/H1-Article1-512667.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MF Husain conferred Qatar nationality: Report&lt;/a&gt; (emphasis mine):

India&#039;s most celebrated artist MF Husain has been offered Qatar nationality, according to a report in The Hindu.

&lt;b&gt;The report said that Husain was&lt;/b&gt; “Honoured by Qatar nationality” but &lt;b&gt;deeply saddened by &lt;/b&gt; his enforced exile and &lt;b&gt;the need now to give up the citizenship of the land of his birth&lt;/b&gt;, which he has lovingly and secularly celebrated in his art covering a period of over seven decades.

Indian government does not allow dual citizenship, therefore, Husain will have to give up his Indian passport if he decides to take up Qatar citizenship.

&lt;b&gt;The report also said &lt;/b&gt; that Husain did not apply for Qatar nationality and that &lt;b&gt;it was conferred upon him&lt;/b&gt; at the instance of the modernising emirate’s ruling family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.hindustantimes.com/MF-Husain-conferred-Qatar-nationality-Report/H1-Article1-512667.aspx" rel="nofollow">MF Husain conferred Qatar nationality: Report</a> (emphasis mine):</p>
<p>India&#8217;s most celebrated artist MF Husain has been offered Qatar nationality, according to a report in The Hindu.</p>
<p><b>The report said that Husain was</b> “Honoured by Qatar nationality” but <b>deeply saddened by </b> his enforced exile and <b>the need now to give up the citizenship of the land of his birth</b>, which he has lovingly and secularly celebrated in his art covering a period of over seven decades.</p>
<p>Indian government does not allow dual citizenship, therefore, Husain will have to give up his Indian passport if he decides to take up Qatar citizenship.</p>
<p><b>The report also said </b> that Husain did not apply for Qatar nationality and that <b>it was conferred upon him</b> at the instance of the modernising emirate’s ruling family.</p>
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