MUST WATCH: Dr Zakir Naik and “2+2=4″ or is it?
This is a MUST WATCH YouTube clip.
I was first alerted to it by fellow blogger, HawkEyeIndia’s post: ”Dr Zakir Naik’s Jawdropping Logic: 2+2=4 or Is It?” (link updated as the original one was boken)
I would even go as far as saying that if there was only one post you could read this week, it needs to be this one.
A link to another video of Dr Zakir Naik’s statement(s) - and one more here.
Unbelievably, the guy is an Indian citizen.
UPDATE (Feb ‘08): Link fixed
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want to know
Comment by sushil | January 16, 2007
Sometimes ago I think I read (perhaps on this very blog ) that this “2+2″ Zakir is also encouraging the muslim youth for military training ! This needs investigation…
Comment by Jagmohan Singh Khurmi | May 8, 2007
Jagmohan:
I have not come across that…but if someone has a link, please email me or comment here.
Thanks.
Comment by B Shantanu | May 9, 2007
Here the great faithful let us know why it is right to kill us infidels : http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina51022.htm
…by the way, there is another chapter in faithfreedom.org ( I am yet to find the exact link there) which shows the transcript of two muslim chatters referring to a terrorist training camp in ( or near ) Mumbai, connected with Zakir Naik !
Comment by Jagmohan Singh Khurmi | May 19, 2007
Jagmohan: Thanks, I will have a look…Also pl. post the other link whenever you find it.
Comment by B Shantanu | May 19, 2007
Mr. Shantanu, did you hear about the recent crises in Punjab over “Saccha Sauda Dera”, a new-age superficial ’secularist’ cult whose self-styled CEO adorns his name with an intellectually disgusting “Ram-Rahim” hint.
He angered the Sikhs ( “fundamentalist sikhs”, as our secularist media has started calling them ) by mocking the Khalsa Amrit ceremony…
What is your point of view ?
Comment by Jagmohan Singh Khurmi | May 20, 2007
Jagmohan,
I did hear about this but I have not had the chance to read through the issue in any great detail.
Having said that, I cannot begin to feel respect towards any cult that *mocks* others religious practices and beliefs.
Comment by B Shantanu | May 22, 2007
Saleem Sheikh
First of all we have to find turth faith , then we passed our comments . I think Dr Zakir Naik have an all answers of ur all question with reference from ur religions books like Veds and Bible. please read with understanding ur religion books and i am sure u find out correct religions Islaam.
Comment by Saleem Sheikh | May 26, 2007
Common Saleem Sheikh,
Its time for you to review, reread, and edit your Quran. I have great respect for many Islamic scholars but Zakir Niak to me seems like Cartoon with limited understanding of Human beings and lacking respect for other religion.
Comment by Indian | May 26, 2007
Saleem Sheikh is an apt example of the control the hate-fountains like Zakir Naik have developed upon the “common muslim”….Mr Shantanu, is it still the time for being politically correct and let people like this Saleem go on living in the fool’s paradise, until one fine day they end-up by destroying our country ?
Comment by Jagmohan Singh Khurmi | May 28, 2007
All the comments to this post from the last few days have been moved to a new post.
Please join the discussion here:
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/07/08/discussion-on-hindutva-islam-zakir-naik-godhra/
Comment by B Shantanu | July 8, 2007
Sorry brother ‘Indian’, it is impossible to change Quran. It is so authentic that from the moment it was revealed, it hasn’t changed nor anyone has the power to change it. It is a gift from Allah to humanity. Some people say that it is written by Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh). It is completely illogical to say it is written by the great holy prophet because he was earthly illetrate. All of his knowledge had come from the divine source which is from Allah.
Comment by reven | July 26, 2007
first of all every one should understand that any religion should be based on science and logic, islam is the only logical religion . All other religions r based on miricals and superstition, and some others are totally illogical, based on fairy tales, hence they are called mythical, there is no science in their religion. Dr. Zakir has proved with evidence that islam is the perfect religion, if any one wants to know more then u r free to debate
Comment by great indian | August 12, 2007
great indian: “logical religion” feels like an oxymoron…that aside, my fundamental problem with your comment is that it leaves no room for choice and/or free will.
By the way, ever heard of a word called “faith” and how about “belief”?
You may also find this post interesting: http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/04/06/comment-on-religion-without-truth/
Comment by B Shantanu | August 12, 2007
To great indian:
What utter nonsense?
How do you claim that Islam is a scientific and logical religion?
Christianity and Hinduism are not based on miracles. Each of these lay out a path before you to reach God.
Some saints in the above religions might have performed miracles.
Don’t you remember Arthur C. Clarke’s saying - “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”?
Science and Religion will unite. And that’s the golden age.
-Ram Sundar
Comment by Ram | August 12, 2007
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to ram
you say that hinduism is not base on miracles, then i think that u dont know the fundamentals of your religion. please go through the tv shows and cartoons which depict the religion, ….well the kids really enjoy the graphics, the 10 faced beast was some creation, …..there are enless such creatures,,, i dont want to ashame u
and who are saints? has god created something special ? remember every major religion’s basic says that every man on earth has been created equal, it is because of mans stupid belief created such so called saints. try finding a saint in this modern world!!!!!!!
Comment by great indian | August 12, 2007
great indian: “please go through the tv shows and cartoons which depict the religion…”
You cannot be serious!
Pl. “grow up” and try to read/learn a little bit more before you start forming an opinion.
Comment by B Shantanu | August 13, 2007
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Hey great Indina
You small little Indian cannot make us ashame, we are more powerful than any other religion on this earth. keep your opinion to yourself.
Dont you see english or hollywood movies. Dont you think they are taking hinduism ideas in movies by showing aliens and other creatures talking and thinking. What we have Krishna they have superman or bat man.
Islam is not a religion but only a political agenda.
Comment by Indian | August 13, 2007
hey guys dont get excited, but you will have to believe the fact. you just cannot claim any thing without proof. and pls dont compare your god with batman or spiderman, u are insulting your own religion.
Comment by great indian | August 13, 2007
To great indian’s comment: “has god created something special ? remember every major religion’s basic says that every man on earth has been created equal”
If this is the case, why was the Quran revealed only to the Prophet? Isn’t He special in this case? If your answer is “yes”, please apply the same “logic” to Islam too.
And yes, if there are lambs with 7 legs (http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2007/08/02/lamb_born_with_7_legs_in_new_zealand/),
there can be men with 10 heads too, ha!
- Ram Sundar
Comment by Ram | August 13, 2007
To Great Indian: Some stories have an allegorical basis and you should read them as such and just try and understand the moral of the story (though that means you need a basic level of understanding and average IQ).
Moreover, if you are going to use TV and cartoons as your basis for judging a religion, your comments do not honestly deserve a response! Take your diatribe elsewhere. Peace!!
Comment by Harry Potter | August 13, 2007
Common now, we know how to respect our religion and we are doing the best. First stop maligning others belief and religion, when you don’t have enough knowledge. After all World is surviving basically on hinduism. Hinduism is well proofed and protected. I needs no further proof. If Imagined batman and superman can facinates todays world, but in olden times this kind of spirit and power were existed which can shake the mountains and oceans. What you think impossible today was already existed before hand in hinduism.
Today’s technology is all described in puranas and stories. One needs open mind to discuss and think about it. Rest it is useless to debate and discuss.
Comment by Indian | August 13, 2007
ok i understand u just cant resist believing all those imaginary stories, so i think u people should stop learning science and technology. keep up the good work by just praising and pamparing, serving food to it, bathing it with precious milk, some thing which is non living. there is lot more to prove your belief is full of superstition, i no time to explain all this to just a few
Comment by great indian | August 14, 2007
great indian: I am not going to respond anymore to your juvenile comments.
If you want a serious debate, I suggest you read up a little bit before expressing your views.
Another good start might be to think about what I wrote in comment #14 above.
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All: I normally would not do this but I’m requesting all of you to stop further comments on this post.
A major reason is that the original video to which this post referred to is no longer on the net
Everyone who wishes to discuss the finer points of Islam, Hinduism and other religions, pl. join the debate here (which is a more appropriate thread for the discussion):
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/07/08/discussion-on-hindutva-islam-zakir-naik-godhra/
Thanks.
Comment by B Shantanu | August 14, 2007
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Comments on this post are now closed.
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great indian
the answer to your misconseption are on the link which u have given (zakir naik) besides these go thru his other debates which i think can clear ur mind
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Ram Sundar
To great indian, who says - “so i think u people should stop learning science and technology”
-Huh??
It’s Hinduism that gave the world the wonderful science of metallurgy, astrology (which seems to be a non-secular science, since Hindu’s invented it ) and so on.
Have you ever seen an Hindu almanac missing a predicted eclipse?
For concepts on Politics, Governance, Art of war - Please read the Mahabarata.
While folks in the west caught and ate rats and lived in caves, Hindus were in the height of their civilization.
So, great indian, get your facts first before typing out anything.
And, great indian, have you wondered why Islam prohibits charging/ receiving interest on loan money - simple,the _______ (guess who?) did not know how to do math.
Sorry Shantanu, despite your request to end the discussion in this page, I had to type this out.
- Ram Sundar
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great indianlike i said earlier pls refer to the link given by ur friend, and u will have all the answers, but i think u will not refer to that link because u r afraid of being exposed with the truth, i am thank full to b shantanu to give the link of Zakir naik, and i am sure u dont have any such debates to prove ur foolish comments
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Last Word by B Shantanu (I’m exercising my right as the owner of this blog)
@ great indian: 1. The link above does NOT work. You obviously did not click it 2. I am not interested in what Dr Zakir Naik says or does not say 3. Pl. stick to the topic at hand while commenting on this blog.
@ Ram Sundar: I am shortly going to post something on Hindu/Indian achievements in Science and Technology although there is material in the archives here too (pl. see Categories).
Thanks everyone for the comments.
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Comment by Moderator | August 14, 2007