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	<title>Comments on: Vande Mataram &#8211; Expose the Mullah&#8217;s specious argument</title>
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		<title>By: Indian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Law of the land in use. 

Did any one hear that word &quot;Haram&quot; and &quot;Sinful&quot;. And see the trick to change that haram in to non haram. 
I knew they will touch the ear not from the front but from the back. My message: Even in all that silent postures Hindu god resides. Believe me!. Stop doing it completely also in the name of sports or exercise. That will be best exercise for all of you. Right!

It is also forbidden for muslim to vote for a non-muslim candidate leader. Now what is left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law of the land in use. </p>
<p>Did any one hear that word &#8220;Haram&#8221; and &#8220;Sinful&#8221;. And see the trick to change that haram in to non haram.<br />
I knew they will touch the ear not from the front but from the back. My message: Even in all that silent postures Hindu god resides. Believe me!. Stop doing it completely also in the name of sports or exercise. That will be best exercise for all of you. Right!</p>
<p>It is also forbidden for muslim to vote for a non-muslim candidate leader. Now what is left?</p>
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		<title>By: Indian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Source: http://www.medindia.net/news/view_main_print_new.asp“&gt;www.medindia.net

JAKARTA, INDONESIA, January 27, 2009: Muslims in Indonesia have been banned from doing yoga if they engage in Hindu religious rituals during the exercise. About 700 clerics from the Indonesian Council of Ulemas (MUI) agreed on that action at a national meeting on Sunday. 

“The yoga practice that contains religious rituals of Hinduism including the recitation of mantras is ‘haram’ (forbidden in Islam),” according to chariman Ma’ruf Amin. “Muslims should not practise other religious rituals as it will erode and weaken their Islamic faith.” Indonesian Muslims are still allowed to do yoga strictly as exercise. “If it is purely a physical exercise or sport, it is not considered as ‘haram,’” Amin said. 

The clerics also banned Indonesian Muslims from abstaining from voting, as the country gets ready for April’s election. “As long as there is a candidate leader that meets criteria such as being Muslim, honest, brilliant and ready to fight for Indonesian people’s aspirations, it is ‘haram’ for Muslims to abstain from voting,” Amin said. But he added: “It is forbidden for Muslims to vote for a non-Muslim candidate leader.” 

Nearly 90 percent of Indonesia’s 234 million people are Muslim. Religious edicts issued by the MUI are not legally binding on Muslims, but it is considered sinful to ignore them.</description>
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<p>JAKARTA, INDONESIA, January 27, 2009: Muslims in Indonesia have been banned from doing yoga if they engage in Hindu religious rituals during the exercise. About 700 clerics from the Indonesian Council of Ulemas (MUI) agreed on that action at a national meeting on Sunday. </p>
<p>“The yoga practice that contains religious rituals of Hinduism including the recitation of mantras is ‘haram’ (forbidden in Islam),” according to chariman Ma’ruf Amin. “Muslims should not practise other religious rituals as it will erode and weaken their Islamic faith.” Indonesian Muslims are still allowed to do yoga strictly as exercise. “If it is purely a physical exercise or sport, it is not considered as ‘haram,’” Amin said. </p>
<p>The clerics also banned Indonesian Muslims from abstaining from voting, as the country gets ready for April’s election. “As long as there is a candidate leader that meets criteria such as being Muslim, honest, brilliant and ready to fight for Indonesian people’s aspirations, it is ‘haram’ for Muslims to abstain from voting,” Amin said. But he added: “It is forbidden for Muslims to vote for a non-Muslim candidate leader.” </p>
<p>Nearly 90 percent of Indonesia’s 234 million people are Muslim. Religious edicts issued by the MUI are not legally binding on Muslims, but it is considered sinful to ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who would like to re-ignite the debate, three separate links below:

http://www.satyashodh.com/vandemataram.htm

http://indianmuslims.in/and-what-is-my-issue-with-vande-mataram/ 

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1601/16010940.htm 

I need to dig deeper...More on this, hoepfully soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who would like to re-ignite the debate, three separate links below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.satyashodh.com/vandemataram.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.satyashodh.com/vandemataram.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://indianmuslims.in/and-what-is-my-issue-with-vande-mataram/" rel="nofollow">http://indianmuslims.in/and-what-is-my-issue-with-vande-mataram/</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1601/16010940.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1601/16010940.htm</a> </p>
<p>I need to dig deeper&#8230;More on this, hoepfully soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Indian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Salman

It doesnot matter how you reach your ear, just fold your hand and touch it or take your hand around back of your neck and touch the ear. One and the same. Why make complex?</description>
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<p>It doesnot matter how you reach your ear, just fold your hand and touch it or take your hand around back of your neck and touch the ear. One and the same. Why make complex?</p>
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		<title>By: Jayadevan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayadevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Kalyanaraman,

Just a remark in passing.

&quot; There is no word for ’servitude or slavery’ in ancient Indian languages.&quot; You dropped the words &quot;similar sounding&quot; - is it a typo or a Freudian slip?

The word &quot;dasa&quot; as in Kalidasa, Ramadasa, etc. is used in the same sense that the Muslims say &quot;Allah ke banda&quot;. Servitude is a universal phenomenon. The same word can denote and has denoted  extreme degradation and exaltation. Slavery of both kinds (the bad and the exalting) was prevalent in India before Islam came into being. Now it is a moot question as to whether the Sufis picked the absolute surrender to God concept from the Hindus or developed it independently.

So there is debate among the Muslims about Vande Mataram. This is a good sign. It is only by debate that issues get examined instead of staying as hoary myth. 

If only we could get started talking about our problems, say, on the need for a male heir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Kalyanaraman,</p>
<p>Just a remark in passing.</p>
<p>&#8221; There is no word for ’servitude or slavery’ in ancient Indian languages.&#8221; You dropped the words &#8220;similar sounding&#8221; &#8211; is it a typo or a Freudian slip?</p>
<p>The word &#8220;dasa&#8221; as in Kalidasa, Ramadasa, etc. is used in the same sense that the Muslims say &#8220;Allah ke banda&#8221;. Servitude is a universal phenomenon. The same word can denote and has denoted  extreme degradation and exaltation. Slavery of both kinds (the bad and the exalting) was prevalent in India before Islam came into being. Now it is a moot question as to whether the Sufis picked the absolute surrender to God concept from the Hindus or developed it independently.</p>
<p>So there is debate among the Muslims about Vande Mataram. This is a good sign. It is only by debate that issues get examined instead of staying as hoary myth. </p>
<p>If only we could get started talking about our problems, say, on the need for a male heir.</p>
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