‘Recitation of Vande Mataram against Islam’…
From The Indian Express, as reported by PTI:
“There are some lines in Vande Mataram which go against our religion,” Jilani said. However, Muslims had no problem in reciting the National Anthem, Jana gana mana, he said.
All India Muslim united Morcha vice-president M Asiddique also denounced the move, saying the recitation of Vande Mataram was “against Islam”.
He said Muslims could under no circumstances allow their children to recite the song.
Another AIMPLB member, Khalid Rashid Firangi Mahali, aired similar views and demanded scrapping of the move.
Unbelievable - what more can I say?
Thanks to Kanchan for pointing me in the direction of this newsreport from Times of India in June ‘06 about a fatwa to Muslims in Hyderabad asking “Muslims not to admit their children in schools where Vande Mataram is sung every morning. Children who are already studying in such institutions must be immediately shifted to other schools, the fatwa ordered.“
Apparently, several Muftis in Hyderabad, “including the All-India Sunni Ulema Board president Moulana Syed Shah Badruddin Qadri Aljeelani, Moulana Mohammed Hasnuddin, Moulana Mohammed Mastan Ali, Nazima Aziz and Rizwana Zarreen of Jamiat–ul–Mominath, jointly issued the fatwa when some parents approached them seeking a shariah ruling on Vande Mataram. Several schools in the city start their day with a recital of the national song. “Vande Mataram was written by Bankim Chandra Chatterjee.”
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Vande Mataram - Expose the Mullah’s specious argument
one can guage the courage that these muslims living in India have acquired due to pampering done by our blind ,selfish politicians that they refuse to praise the motherland which feeds them . to be unfaithfulness is in their koran , unfaithful towards their country, towards their neighbours ,towards everything which is not islamic.u give them shelter thinking them to be poor,innocent , in next move they will throw u out of your home as is exemplified to them by their prophet . they make the world hear that they are being slaughtered, terrorised due to their big mouths , but actually it is the reverse as happened in kashmir and is still continuing . they are enjoying to their full water ,fresh air ,subsidies , beauty of kashmir ,without any kashmiri hindu whom they were successfully able to throw out . thanks to our so called anti hindu ,pseudo secular politicians .if hindus of other parts of the country wont understand their plans , there will be repetion of kashmir as they are increasing in population at a very fast rate and our politicians because of vote bank are blindly supporting them at the cost of their nation .
don,t pity them , it is a very very dangerous cult because the only book that they follow -koran teaches them only hate ,murder and domination over non muslims.
from a kashmiri hindu
Comment by sushma koul | August 22, 2006
I agree with Sushma but alas we cannot do anything we are helpless. Nothing can be done. We Hindus are immature with confused mind, we lack right approach. See now Arjun sing is totally acting selfish favouring his vote bank. And morever he wants to fund madrassa. On what basis? when they are not ready to sing vande matram. Why to fund them?. Frankly speaking we Hindus don’t know when to love and when to not, when to pamper when to not. Only God can save us now. We all must include prayers to protect us from this cult to our dieties during our prayer. If we really take help of our God and Godesses they will definitly help us sooner or later. Beleive me. In next comment i will include my experince and result which i prayed to our God. I am secular i pray Jesus, Buddha, and many god but definitely not allha.
Comment by Indi | August 22, 2006
Dear Sushma and Indi,
Thanks for your comments. I share your sentiments and feelings…and I dont have any easy answers either.
But inaction is NOT an option. At the very least, each one of us can strive to become better informed, more aware and be armed with facts and figures so that we can confront blind pseudo-secularists and their one-sided propoganda.
Like you, I am also searching for solutions but a beginning must be made…my essays are a humble and modest step in this direction.
All I would say, is DO SOMETHING and DO NOT GIVE UP…There wil be light at the end of this tunnel…but we need to keep faith and stay firm.
Comment by B Shantanu | August 24, 2006
Muslims can never be faithful to any country, they are faithfull only to their global brotherhood called “The Umma”, that’s why they are menance everywhere where they live.
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To refuse to sing a national song is an indirect refusal to accept the nation in which they live.
Note: Comment has been edited by B Shantanu
Comment by Ganesh | August 25, 2006
Ganesh,
Please be careful with your comments. I understand your anger but we need to focus on pragmatic and sensible approaches.
Comment by B Shantanu | August 25, 2006
I have come across an article on Times of India website and would like to share with u all that shows the loyality of this community to the country they live in. All secular hindus and people who “LOVE INDIA AND ARE SYMPATHETIC TO THEM IN PARTICULAR” pls.do read it once to see how much they value India.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1629373.cms
They r telling their coming generations as well to chose religion over the country.
Comment by Kanchan | August 25, 2006
i agree with you shantanu when pragmatism and sensibile approaches are alien concepts to a stupid religion, it needs to be weeded out
Comment by Ganesh | August 25, 2006
The entire nation is preparing to celebrate the centenary of adopion of “Vande Mataram” on September 7, 2006.Once again the cronies and mercenaries like Imam Bukhari, handpicked and deployed as Muslim leaders by the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty have drawn another Islamic LOC between the poor Indian Muslims and their Hindu brothers by declaring it as against Islamic beliefs.These are the biggest bandicoots who colluded with congress and laid the foundation for vote bank and Muslim appeasement politics.
Thanks for Ayodhya and Advani factor which gave a loud slap on the face of these so called Muslim leaders and shook the Muslim masses to wakeup from their deep slumber.Unfortunately,Advani lost his vision down the line and espoused the pseudo-democratic polity.A great opportunity to turn the Indian Muslims against the Islamists and stepout of the Islamic LOC was lost.
This is a national song and the slogan “Vande Mataram” was the national cry against the British Raj.This is the first successful weapon against suppression which became a nightmare for the British Raj. Muslims can omit those lines referring to “worshipping the motherland” and our Hindu brothers understand our faith more than anybody else.Indian Muslims should wakeup and stop believing that there is a large wealthy Muslim nation with big oil tycoons waiting to embarce and shower them with fortunes.We must learn to love and respect our motherland.
This is a golden opportunity for the Indian Muslims to chop off their umbilical cord with the mullahs and integrate in to the mainstream. On 7th September,the Muslim masses should come out in large numbers nationwide declaring themselves as “Warriors against terror” and should shout the slogan “Vande Mataram” as a strategic deterrent against the Islamists and anti-muslim establishments.They can kill two birds with one stone.Even this can become the platform for their political identity.
One more golden opportunity waiting in front of the Indian muslims.
VANDE MATARAM.
Comment by R.Alamsha | August 30, 2006
What a great suggestion. I agree with you…It is indeed a fantastic opportunity for the Indian Muslims to demonstrate where their loyalties lie. Unfortunately, it is unlikely to happen.
Comment by B Shantanu | August 30, 2006
..its so clear from above mentioned comments…tat muslims are wrongly labeled as xtremists…on the contrary its hindus who r xtremists….tat they force others to worship their deities and follow their philosophy…i thnk vryone has the rght to follow his religion… we cant force muslims to follow our ways…hindus will never awake from their deep slumber..wch is the most basic reason for our contry remaining backward….they follow som bulshit n stupid dogmas and even force minorities to follow suit….only God can save this contry from this foolish cult who can one day sell this contry for political gains….it is muslims who r true patriotic….
Comment by prince of angels | March 23, 2008
@ prince of angels:
Re. your comment: “…tat muslims are wrongly labeled as xtremists…on the contrary its hindus who r xtremists….tat they force others to worship their deities and follow their philosophy…i thnk vryone has the rght to follow his religion…”
please have a look at the post with a link Dr Zakir Naik’s youtube clip on my site.
He appears to be asking everyone to follow the “philosophy” of Islam.
Also, please give some examples of “Hindus” forcing others to worship their dieties and follow their philosophy.
Vande Mataram is not a religious song. Please read this post to understand what I mean..
I look forward to your comments.
Comment by B Shantanu | March 23, 2008
….u told zakir is asking ppl to follow islamic philosophy…asking is dffrnt and enforcing is dffrnt….zakir has complte rght to preach practise n propogate his religion…..its his constituional rght wich he is xercising…who r we to stop him….any preacher wen he is preachng his dogma he will show the benefits of his dogma and ask others to follow it….wats the big deal???….but if certain communities religious policies dsnt permit them to sing some song y anyone shld force them….isnt tis xtremism forcing others to follow ur own dogma???…..i havent come across any incidnt in wch muslims force hindus to com to mosque or read quran or follow their rituals but i have across mny incidnts in wch hindus forcibly apply tikas throw holi powders on muslims and even dstrb their congregational prayers at eid time by doin som mischif and will purposely pick up som quarrel ….but muslims never blame a common hindu for this and blame politics for tat……but in hindus even common ppl spit venom against muslims…..tats y muslims fell in inferiority complex and this effects their sycology….to sch an extent tat they will pick up arms som day against injustices….and this will benefit the terrorists training camps as they get free recruitmnts…..
Comment by prince of angels | March 24, 2008
….as far as vande mataram is concerned….whther it carries any religious point or no is not the criteria…in tat case we have to stdy islam as wel as vande mataram 4 wich we dsnt have tym…the criteria is if som communities religious laws dsnt allow any song to be sung its their personal matter….y shld others have any problem….hindus have so many matters wich r personal…but muslims never force thm for anythng….but if u stil wanna dscuss about the contents of vande mataram….pls note tat islam prohibits its followers to share any quality of the creator wth the creation….to bow or revere or salute is the quality islam reserves only for God….the mening of the wrds BOW, SALUTE, REVERE etc somwer coincides with the term WORSHIP….tats y muslims dnst tch the feet of nyone….muslims dsnt bow bfore their parents also…does tat mean they dntt love or rspct their parents….any muslim be he from saudi or pakistan or iran or iraq will never bow bofre their own motherland….but tis religious dogma is being used against muslims in india for political votebanks jst to make it appear tat muslims r unpatriotic….and common hindu falls in trap…..for ur information india was never a hindu contry xcept may be for a few yrs durng gupta rule tat also wich i doubt….but india was an islamic contry for 1000 yrs and never did wer riots or pogroms against hindus recorded in tat 1000yrs of indian histry…but secularism happnd to com for the past just 50 yrs and we had 100s of riots and injustces against muslims….jst imagin if india wld had been a hindu contry then i dnt knw wat wld had happnd of minorities…..now my question whom do u think is more xtremist….hindu rule or muslim rule????
Comment by prince of angels | March 24, 2008
@ prince of angels: You seem to have a habit of making bold statements without offering much evidence by way of support.
E.g. “….but india was an islamic contry for 1000 yrs…” That is interesting. I did not know that…
Can you please point us to some references?
As for “….jst imagin if india wld had been a hindu contry then i dnt knw wat wld had happnd of minorities…..now my question whom do u think is more xtremist….hindu rule or muslim rule????….”
I think the readers of this blog are sensible and intelligent enough to form their own judgement…
Comment by B Shantanu | March 24, 2008
…..wat references u want me to highlght….u can knw it from histry….islamic rule started in india from sultanate….after the defeat of prthviraj chauhan in the battle of tarai……from tat tym till britishers india was islamic state wth its capital at delhi for most of the time of islamic rule….
Comment by prince of angels | March 25, 2008
To prince of angels
Are you an advocate for muslims. Do they need one? Its so dumb when you give reasons for muslim’s inferiority complex. Just look into their holy book, you may also find many other reasons for thier this state of mind. Again all muslims are not suffering form this complexes. Why? Only those who bring religion at everyplaces goes through this your so called complexes. If you are really interested in so called issues you are suggesting on this site on every issues pertaning to Hindu-Muslims you need to go though this site. http://www.faithfreedom.org
Jai Hind!
Comment by Indian | March 25, 2008
…indian …if u can be advocate to hindus y cant i be advocate to muslims…i ve gone through their holy books too…i ve visited the site u recommnded but its all total biased and lack reason…
Comment by prince of angels | March 26, 2008
Hi Prince of angel
Really! you have gone through their holybooks and you cannot find anything? That shows you are more biased and lacks reasons in finding the truth. May be you are one of those who are brainwashed.
How much your opinions worths? least care about what you say on all this issues. We have many unbias scholars to judge the issues and we know the truth. Nothing is going to be changed by pampering religion which have caused trouble all over the world due to misintipretation of Holy book. And you also did the same misinterpritation. I have upmost respect for all religion but that doesnot shut my brain to figure out what is right and what is wrong. Brave are those who accepts the faults and try to correct it. Keep that is good throw that is bad.
Jai Hind!
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Comment by Indian | March 26, 2008
….@indian:- u say i ve gone thru holy books and didnt find anything….i can allege u on similar grounds tat even u might had gone thru holy books and didnt find anythng…so its lke abusing each other wich i thnk is simply unsensible and waste of time…accordng to me u lack knowldge of holy books and u r surely brainwashed by religious clerics and also dirty politics…..ofcorse brave are those who can find fault in their ways and may accept others ways….so be brave and accept ur philosophy’s fault and accept the truth…it seems our majority community is vry eager to force muslims to modify the Quranic teachings….wich the muslims will never accept…
Comment by prince of angels | March 29, 2008
@ prince: I am tempted to comment here (against my own better judgement!)
You say: “…ofcorse brave are those who can find fault in their ways and may accept others ways….so be brave and accept ur philosophy’s fault and accept the truth…”
I (and most readers of this blog) accept that the belief system (not philosophy - thats a wrong word) that we call “Hinduism” has been suffering from some distortions and we are working hard to change them…
That said, we believe that a] the truth lies within oursleves and b] everyone is perfectly free to choose his/her own path to salvation/truth.
So I find any preaching of “the only truth” to be hugely condescending and smacking of arrogance.
By the way, are you willing to accept the same thing about Islam? i.e it has “faults” and it should accept “others ways”?
Or since muslims will never accept…”modification” of Quran, Islam must be perfect?!
Do you see the “problem” in your own arguments? Anyways, I think I have indulged you enough..
Pl. only comment on the (main) post above or to my questions…otherwise I reserve the right to ignore/delete/modify your comments…and pl. stick to the topic. Pl. also give references and support your arguments with logic otherwise they are just words without much substance.
*** Updated ***
1st Apr ‘08
Over at Sandeep’s blog, Shanth has made a comment that I felt was worth reproducing here (24th Mar ‘08):
Comment by B Shantanu | March 29, 2008