Perverse secularism and India’s future

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The original article was written by Sh M.V.Kamath for the “Free Press Journal” and published on July 8, 2004

B Shantanu

Political Activist, Blogger, Advisor to start-ups, Seed investor. One time VC and ex-Diplomat. Failed mushroom farmer; ex Radio Jockey. Currently involved in Reclaiming India - One Step at a Time.

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  1. i am lawyer from london,uk. in india if any person do something different. he will criticise. any country on world majority rule on minority. in uk also u not get same right like british if u black or asian.

    proof of it.
    http://www.fansofnarendramodi.org/echoes.htm

    modi have vision for india and gujarat.

  2. prince of angels says:

    …mr. sunny remarkable comments….UK has whites and asians….asians are immigrants there for sake of work…asians dont belong to tat contry nor asians admit tat UK is their motherland….do u compare whites with hindus and asians with indian muslims….dnt forget indian muslims r the ones who had choosen india durng partition…and who claims wholeheartedly tat india is their motherland….indian muslims are not someone from dffrnt planet or continent…they belong to the same race as hindus…have the same skin color like hindus….share common blood genealogy… u really had a wrong comparison…..it seems vry clear from sch comments of educated common hindus tat indian majority community is hell bent in subjugating minorities in the attempt even goin to the xtent of makin wrong comparisons by distorting subjects and concepts…..dnt knw y ders so much hatred against minorities….???

  3. prince of angels says:

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    Off topic. Please stick to the topic on hand.

  4. Indian says:

    Hi prince of angel

    You are wrong. No Indian hates muslims. But it all started whem muslims in India started cracking firewoworks when India lost match with Pakistan. Why? Riots during Hindu’s festivals. Why? I have witnessed many many things. Now nothing can change opiopns of people who have seen this with their all eyes and mind. Why does that skin cloours fades away as soon as you have Islam in your hands.?
    We can only be convinced with your goody goody words only if now muslims recite Vande-matram. than only we can think we are one and same. Othersiew no way?

  5. prince of angels says:

    @shantanu:- like to thank u tat u allow my comments to stay here knwng the fact tat my comments offends most of the ppl here.

    @indian:-…riots????…and tat too during hindu festivals….i tel u tat a minority never tkes the frst attempt to do mischief wth majority then be it in any contry …remeber this …frst point…second point ….its not the muslims who starts frst but the hindus in almost all the cases of riots tken place in india after partition….and even police help[s hindus in riots….wen indian govt. itself is against muslims then wer the indian muslim go for help….i ve my personal experiences tat hindus always makes trouble wenver muslims pray….they wil disturb muslims prayer of eid…one of the major issues of riots….they will play loud music durng muslim prayer tyms…..in the same way like how in indias ancient history rakshasas used to disturb devas yagnas….they will throw dead pig at masjids door overnight….muslims will tolerate and tolerate…but thers a limit to tolerance…..always a muyslims religion was attacked by majority….now muslims had alredy tken arms in the guise of terrorism…..u can supress a spring till its elastic limit….then the spring bounces back with double its force…same case is happng wth muslims…..muslim youths are picked up from homes like animals at any point of time….tken to police stations tortured and forced to accept crimes wch they have not committed……thus destroying their careers and image….but God is there…He is watching…..justice will soon prevail watver a hindu wish…..if u say a muslim shld sing vande materam to proove his patriotism then i suggest hindus shld stop worshippng idol worship and stop eating beef to proove their patriotism….then only muslims will think we are one same….Otherwise no way?

  6. संदीप नारायण शेळके says:

    @prince of angels
    stop worshippng idol worship and stop eating beef
    You are missing the point. faith need not be mixed with nationalism. Reciting Vande-Mataram is no way linked with Hindus worshipping.
    muslims will tolerate and tolerate…but thers a limit to tolerance…..always a muyslims religion was attacked by majority
    Please cite some evidence for this. As history is very clear that Islamic invaders have unleashed violence in Bharat. They came here looted us, raped our mother and sisters, destroyed our temples. Burnt our Nalanda University. Taj Mahal Distorted to suit their taste. Demolished Somnath Temple. list is endless. Please cite one such evidence in history where Hindus looted Dargah or Demolished (except Babri).
    muslims had alredy tken arms in the guise of terrorism
    Recent Mumbai attack was from Islamic Terrorists and when they were on killing spree did not spare muslims either. So by saying this sentence you are just supporting the evil.

    Jai Hind!

  7. Arjun says:

    “The secularist makes no honest attempt to understand Hindutva, since that would mean making an effort to trace the origins of Hindu-Muslim tensions down the decades if not centuries. It is easier to give the Hindutva dog a bad name.”

    Well there’s no doubt that pseudo-secularists and other anti Hindus do give ‘Hindutva’ a bad name but in my experience the Hindutva lobby itself gives Hindutva a bad name..I’ve never come across Hindus from apart from a few who could really define or articulate properly what Hindutva really is and what it stands for apart from hearing the usual rant of what Muslims are doing or what Christian missionaries are up to etc which then only gives the anti Hindus more ammunition to make Hindus look like nutcases.. Some might mention the book Hindutva by veer savakar but even that’s dated and was written under the time of the british in India but India now is a different place..So when you ask the basic questions of what a Hindu state would be or what the laws would be or what the constitution would be ect then Ive hardly got any answers back..My point is before we act and shout Hindutva and blame the enemy of misrepresenting Hindutva we first need to define and understand it ourselves before we sell it to the rest of the nation and of course not forgetting that Hindu leaders and spokespeople desperately need to hire some professional PR to put themselves across ..

  8. B Shantanu says:

    A snippet from a long but thought-provoking article by Prof S N Balagangadhar, RISA-LILA(download as a Word doc):

    In India, ‘secularism’ is counter posed to ‘communalism’; whereas ‘the secular’ (in Europe) has only one contrast: ‘the sacred’

  9. Arjun says:

    Indian Secularism only means one thing and thats Hindu Bashing..